I have an armadillo problem. With neighbors close by, noise is an issue. I want a long barrel to put on a .22 for subsonic rounds. Who offers a really long barrel?

Thanks, Lee

I'm not sure whether its offered in the States, but in Australia there is (or was?) a CZ with 28" barrel. A friend uses one for rimfire Silhoette. How quiet do you need to be? I expended 50 rounds of subsonic from a 22" barrelled gun and the neighbours 300yards away heard nothing. If you can get close ... Winchester Long Z's are also very quiet ... but not super effective on egg stealing crows .
Cheers...
Con

I don't own a .22 now. Wal-Mart has a Savage that's cheap. I was thinking of getting it and adding a new barrel.

I've extensively used a 22LR with a 22" barrel loaded with CB Longs in a densely populated area. Makes about as much noise as a pellet rifle. 22LRs achieve max velocity at about 21", CBs probably much less.

I use a pellet gun that shoots very quietly at 1,000'/sec and kills squirrels and rabbits quite nicely.

One can also try using a 22 pellet in a 223 case and a primer only as a propellant.

I haven't done it yet but heard that it works.....

Most 22LR target ammo is subsonic already.... a longer barrel isn't going to accomplish anything except add weight and make the gun harder to hold.

Most 22LR target ammo has reached it's maximum velocity within the first 16" of the barrel... Longer barrels are actually slowing the bullet down.

Now your high velocity ammo is a different story.

A bunch of people way smarter than me made this discovery years ago.

The long target barrel on 22s is to increase the sight plane... longer distance between the front and rear sight, the more accurate you can aim the rifle with iron sights.

My CZ 452 Lux has a 23.6 barrel I think. The Savage M24 combination gun has 24 inch tubes. Both are very quiet with CCI CB Longs. The CBs are pretty quiet from a 10 and 16 inch barrels for that matter.

Instead of spending money rebuilding a gun there are plenty of excellent off the shelf choices. The Ruger 77/22 Varmint model feature 24 inch heavy barrels. The current edition of the Marlin 39A has a 24 inch barrel. The Contender G2 has a 23 inch bull barrel with a match chamber, and custom jobs can be longer, and every serious guncrank ought to own a Contender frame...

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Originally posted by fla3006:
I've extensively used a 22LR with a 22" barrel loaded with CB Longs in a densely populated area. Makes about as much noise as a pellet rifle. 22LRs achieve max velocity at about 21", CBs probably much less.

This is your only real choice, short of a suppresser. Cheaper, too. The CB Longs shoot just fine and should handle your 'diller problem. Head shots, you haul'em, body shots, hope the do not go under anything close to the house to die.

Hog Killer

iirc, 22s actauly begin to drag at 28 or 29 inches...

SSS aquila bullets work nice, but still have a pop.. collibri's won't cycle semi, but a 22 revolver would work

jeffe

a used Winchester 52, some were 28"

Crack the patio door wall a few inches and fire through the opened crack with the muzzle a foot or two back in the house. The neighbors will be lucky to hear the bullet impact...........

remington 513S is 27". Very scarce gun tho.

you might also check length on Winchester 75 target and Remington 513T, Stevens 416. These were second-tier smallbore target rifles. Don't have an old Stoeger catalog handy for reference.

Why not pick up a .22 caliber pellet gun?

Or simply use some subsonic .22 rounds. Generally, these are quiet enough that anyone in doors won't hear them anyway.

Also, don't rule out using an armadillo trap. We certainly caught the hell out of them when I still lived with my (former) stepfather.

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I'm not sure whether its offered in the States, but in Australia there is (or was?) a CZ with 28" barrel.

They are, but hard to find. I have one one its way, supposedly!

Go find a used Remington 572 pump, they've got a 24" barrel and will feed LR, L and S including CB longs and shorts. Mine cycles pretty much anything.

A used one should be around $100-175.

35 years ago as a young (broke) sailor, I had a Krat (cat) problem in the trailer park I lived in. I took a single shot 22 bolt action and sighted it in for CB caps. Took the screens off of a window on each side (crank out jalousie type) and spent the next 4 years decimating the local krat population. Never a complaint from a neighbor and only had to chase down one out of what was 100+. We lived in an area that was overrun with feral and domestic krats, so target oppertunity abounded.

I would have to measure my 513t but it is close to 27 my mossberg 144 is about that long also.

I shoot CB long cabs in mine very quite about like a pellet gun with more power.

FWIW...I have a Remington 40x .22 LR barreled action I bought from CMP and it came (from Remington) with a 28 inch heavy target barrel.

So is it incorrect that a longer barrel makes subsonic rounds quiter? That's why I wanted a long barrel.

I think I'll get the Savage and some CCI CBs. The Savage is only 99bucks new. Hard to beat that with any used rifle.

LDO, It would appear that no one else is concious of the muzzle pressure effect, which of course manifests itself in the sound wave known as muzzle blast. That's a big term for sub-sonic .22LR's, but it's real as rain. Ask anyone firing a SBR vs a Long barreled centerfire in the same caliber. The longer barrel is quieter on both ends. In essence what does a silencer or muffler do, capture enough expanding gas to modify the sound signature. So, what you are tryig to do is have a projectile fire with minimal gas pressure at the muzzle.

Longer equals less. Go for it. And dine at Sullivan's for me.

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Originally posted by 308Sako:
LDO, It would appear that no one else is concious of the muzzle pressure effect, which of course manifests itself in the sound wave known as muzzle blast. That's a big term for sub-sonic .22LR's, but it's real as rain. Ask anyone firing a SBR vs a Long barreled centerfire in the same caliber. The longer barrel is quieter on both ends. In essence what does a silencer or muffler do, capture enough expanding gas to modify the sound signature. So, what you are tryig to do is have a projectile fire with minimal gas pressure at the muzzle.

Longer equals less. Go for it. And dine at Sullivan's for me.

OK, back to the original question- who makes the longest aftermarket barrel out there?

Thanks.

Don't even THINK about that long bullet subsonic 22 ammo. It will only work with a fast twist and a suppressor.

Just get any old .22 with a 24" barrel.
Shoot CCI CB shorts.

You will hear three sounds:
1) The firing pin
2) The muzzle report
3) The bullet striking the target

If you get a single loud BLAM, you are doing something wrong.

The price one pays for this silence is trajectory. Practice shooting out the window at targets at different ranges and write down what you found.

Go for the head or neck shot.

I have not shot an armadillo, but many crows have died in suburbia.

And there is the shotgun alternative:
http://www.dillerdesign.com/quietgun/index.html

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OK, back to the original question- who makes the longest aftermarket barrel out there?

I think Lilja can make em over 30" but it'd be pricey.

How bout' getting a Metro Gun barrel extension for a shotgun and loading armadillo specific loads.

They quiet down a shotgun quite a bit and would be way cooler than some snarky ol' .22

I have no idea the number of CB longs (and not a few CB caps) I have fired in cities and towns. Rats, squirrels, dillers, grinners, whatever. At first, it was just like carrying concealed the first time-you think every one knows what you are up to. They don't, trust me. Just use your current .22 and CB longs (they always seemed quiter than the CB caps to me). It will be less moisey than a .22 air rifle with good power.

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Originally posted by vapodog:
I use a pellet gun that shoots very quietly at 1,000'/sec and kills squirrels and rabbits quite nicely.

Funny that you mention that. I just got home from a buddy's place. He was showing me a new Gamo pellet rifle that he got for cleaning up chipmunks. Says he's shot them out to 75 yards, off of his deck!

Pellt guns can be loud too.
Not only does the bullet need to be subsonic, so does the gas that escapes when the bullet uncorks it.

The muzzle pressure for threshold of subsonic is 1 atmosphere above ambient.

Many pellet guns exceed this, and make a loud BLAM.

A quiet .177 cal pellet gun rifle will not kill a squirrell or crow with a body shot. It takes a head or neck shot.

The "crow magnum" pellet gun will kill a crow with a body shot, but it costs close to a grand and makes noise.

Went to college in a large city in NY some years ago. Lived in an apartment complex with two stories and lawns inbetween the rows of apartments and a large population of various blackbirds, starlings and rodents. I tried a BB gun, worked OK on the birds on the roof line but I had to stick the muzzle out the window, not good...i happened to talk to my brother who was thinning out the stray cat and Dog population in a trailer court out West with CB Longs. I had and have a Marlin 39A and at that time had a 2x7 Weaver on it. I bought a box of CB longs and sighted her in on a weekend. I could set in a high chair back from the window in darkened room and shoot all I wanted. All you could hear was the hammer fall and watch the bullet in flight on a sunny day to the target. I shot starlings on the lawn with other students sunbathing, (never try this at home, stunt was done by a trained professional bored, foolish country boy.) It was great fun at the time. Since that time, I have hunted the elusive Urban tiger with great effect and by using lung shots, hardly ever had to drag one off due to the fact they ran back under the neighbors car/porch from which they came. I tried Head shots for a while but found them unreliable on Urban Tigers. Had one come back to life in a Paper sack once.

Why is it that I am picturing a river in Georgia and a kid sitting on a porch playing a banjo???

I shot CB longs for 10 years [10 years ago iit was Reminton that made them, now it is CCI] before I figured it out:
I get more expansion ratio with CB shorts.

They must have different amount of powder, as the CB short is about the same velocity and not as strict about getting 24" to be quiet.

I'll secong just getting a bolt action and using 22 shorts. As has been mentioned, if you are inside a room and the window is open a few inches it is pretty much silent.

However, if you want a long barrel go over to midway and buy a 26"-28" 1 in 14" barrel and fit it to whatever gun you want. You can get an A&B 26" barrel for $80, shilen for $158 and you can also get a shilen 28" for $158. Then not only can you fit it yourself but also ream it for 22 shorts only, which will make them more accurate as well.

Maybe browse the pawn shops for an old 22 with a shot out barrel, be a cheap and interesting project.

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Originally posted by Mark:
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However, if you want a long barrel go over to midway and buy a 26"-28" 1 in 14" barrel and fit it to whatever gun you want. You can get an A&B 26" barrel for $80, shilen for $158 and you can also get a shilen 28" for $158. Then not only can you fit it yourself but also ream it for 22 shorts only, which will make them more accurate as well.

Maybe browse the pawn shops for an old 22 with a shot out barrel, be a cheap and interesting project.

Holy cow! They have a Green Mountain barrel that's 33" long! It's got an octagon cross-section, which is major gay, but that can be recontoured. It was $134.99, which is less than half the price of some of the others, and they only went to 29". I got two.


This will be fun.

Hey Rick 0311, Not real sure about your vision of Georgia and banjo playing but I am pretty sure I won't go canoeing with you until it goes away!

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Originally posted by Fury01:
Hey Rick 0311, Not real sure about your vision of Georgia and banjo playing but I am pretty sure I won't go canoeing with you until it goes away!

I’m not all that particular in the company I keep sometimes... but I do normally require at least one or two branches on their family tree, so I don’t think you will EVER have to worry about us doing much of anything together!

Just have to chime in here with an alternative method thats great fun.

Take your stoutest fishing pole rig it with 30+ lb line and a small hook. Bait er with a cricket or a roach or two. Set it out at dark and wait. Great fun. Got a cat problem .... no problem just bait it with a sardine.

Now you think the fight was great reeling him in..... just wait till you get him all the way in. He's had about all this follishness he can stand and the fight just got started.

Intolerance coming from the Left Coast?? For shame. Oh well, I hear Mexico has claimed it back anyway.

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Intolerance coming from the Left Coast?? For shame. Oh well, I hear Mexico has claimed it back anyway.

Your right...I guess a “Yee-Haw...Hot-Damn, Bubba!†would have been far more appropriate and much more familiar to you. After all, that’s the attention and response you were begging for wasn’t it??

HOOOO-WEEE Tell you what, caught me a catfish t'other day and reckon it be near fitty pounds!
What's the matter, don't like California because we don't marry our sisters?

LDO-Make sure you're shooting those bullets out of a bolt action rifle only. If you use a semi it's going to dump some of the gas out of the action in a attempt to cycle it, and it's going to be a little louder. A good suggestion if you're still concerned with the noise is to tape a pill bottle filled with cotten over the muzzle, it'll dampen the sound enough with a CB short that you probably won't hear a thing.

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Originally posted by The Metalsmith:


LDO-Make sure you're shooting those bullets out of a bolt action rifle only. If you use a semi it's going to dump some of the gas out of the action in a attempt to cycle it, and it's going to be a little louder. A good suggestion if you're still concerned with the noise is to tape a pill bottle filled with cotten over the muzzle, it'll dampen the sound enough with a CB short that you probably won't hear a thing.

What about some kind of muzzle brake? Something that would make it even more quiet. I know that brakes typically make a gun louder (to the shooter), but we're talking about a very small amount of gas. Maybe something that is huge relative to the projectile, with a large I.D. and small holes? Just wondering. I also wonder if at some point, even a brake might blur the line between that and a suppressor, at least in the eyes of the ATF.

Well, not that I would try anything that potentially illegal, but a ported 22 barrel, with foam pipe insulation wrapped with electrical tape over it and subsonic ammo would PROBABLY be quiet. Now I live in the boonies, so I don't have to resort to such foolisness.

Rick, I posted a factual story for the benefit of LongDistanceOperator along the same lines as several of the posts above my first one, but also in keeping with the question about noise from a .22 for pest removal. I only included the part about the county boy to make sure that I said that it was a foolish thing to do but I was young at the time and rather new to the civilized world. I am not now. I am neither from Georgia or a banjo player. I have a complete and honest family tree as do most of the folks you have insulted. I have a degree in Business/Economics/Finance from that rather elite NY college that I attended on a scholarship that I earned in scholastic competition but I am comfortable being called Bubba by folks who mean no disrespect. That does not include you it appears. I only read what interests me on this forum and rarely post so I am not much of an attention seeker. I guess maybe that applies to someone else. In any case, you seem to be the only one I offended with my story I guess so I apologize for doing so. You might consider doing the same to the Good folks of Georgia and anybody else you caught with that broad brush of disrespect.