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hold on, wonderwolf we aren't making this a personal thing.. there's no question of liking you, or us needing the most whizbang action out there.. you'll notice in my posts i suggested a rem 700 or a clone, not a super BR action. Take that chip off your shoulder, if you please, and read the feedback for what it is. there is NO WAY you can get a mauser's locktime down to what a STOCK 700 is .. and if you don't understand that as a profound statement on long distance accuracy, then go right ahead with your plan ... we are trying to HELP YOU to not be disappointed in your results we aren't trying to force you into the latest and greatest BR action .. merely informing you that your goal and your descided platform are not normally mutually includsive .... mausers are GLACIAL in locktime 00 you would b better off getting a 788 in 308 and putting a heavy barrel on it if you wish to be at least in the also rans .. with a mauser, sir, you won't be, unless you are one of those "freaks" that can hit a beer can with a 22 at 50 AND 400 yards again, please remove the chip from your shoulder and at least LISTEN to what is said .. listening doen't require compliance with suggestions.. but it does ask that you UNDESRSTAND the suggestion prior to discarding it. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Not t mention stiffness and a host of other things. I have the skins on the wall and like to win. You will indeed have fun but it is like going to road race against a new corvette and you have a 1965 model. Yes the 65 is a cool car but you have a rather tough if not impossible equipment restriction to overcome. That s just the cold hard truth. When you spend your money and time getting this rifle and amunition ready to compete just know this going in. Sorry if it came across as harsh but the truth is not always what someone wants to hear. That being said I wish you good luck...  | |||
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Just so all of you don't get your knickers in too much of a wad a good friend of mine, Kent Reeve, won the NRA long range Nationals in 2006. His match rifle? A single shot Mauser in 300 Win. Mag. So it can be done, but in all fairness he has switched and won't go back to it. I'm sure Kent would be the first to tell you to pick another action, but it has been done recently. http://www.nra.org/Article.aspx?id=6760 So if you have to start with the Mauser type action do it, but if you stay in the game you will be changing actions at some point in the future. "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". | |||
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I'm much more concerned about the "supporting a girlfriend in grad school" part than the use of a Mauser action. Do you have a restitution clause if she bolts after graguation? "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Yeah, now that is a poser isn't it? "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". | |||
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WW, No one here wants to crucify you. We'd like you to not make the same mistakes that we've made or seen others make along the way. My opine is to try to find a rifle chambered in what you want to shoot. Probably what you'd spend re-barreling and chambering an action you could find a rifle RTS (Ready to Shoot). Serious competition shooting is a big bucks adventure. Rifle, optics, ammo, accessories, it adds up in a hurry. For now, just find something you like and shot it. . .a lot! When you think you have shot enough, shoot some more. Practice is the key! don't worry about perfect ammo/caliber/rifle/scope, perfect the way you shoot. Gunnery, Gunnery, Gunnery! Hit the target! All else is twaddle! Regards, Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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Look, YOU came here asking for opinions. You got them and because it wasn't what YOU wanted to hear, everyone else is wrong and you are correct. Go get you Mauser action and go shoot your matches. All these guys have a great deal of experience and don't mind trying to let you learn from their mistakes. I saw nothing on this thread leading me to believe you were crucified or that your lineage came into question. What you want to do has been done, but even the one who did it has abandoned the Mauser action for long range shooting. Try to learn from the experinces of others; no one lives long enough to make all the mistakes and learn from them. If ignorance is bliss; there are some blissful sonofaguns around here. We know who you are, so no reason to point yourselves out. | |||
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Y'know there is between four and six milliseconds difference in lock time between Mausers and the latest custom actions. If that meant poop, how do the AR's shoot such good scores with lock time that can be measured with a sundial? People like Tony Boyer and Ed Shilen and Dan Lilja, to mention a few; all told me the barrel is the heart of rifle accuracy. All WW asked for were suggestions RE the new barrel caliber and chambering choices, not a critique of his platform choice Stay on task. Just do a 6,5x284 and start saving $$$ for good bullets. regards, Rich | |||
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Sorry Rich but it is obvous you don't shoot competition. Need to talk to Tony a little bit more. AR platform would not be used in BR competition. Stay on task. | |||
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BH, this ain't benchrest either. I shot benchrest years ago, did rather well as I recall. Inside the Top Ten (7th) in the TCL every match (top 5) for three years that I shot. Go thru your Precision Shooting Magazine back issues starting in fall of 1988. I prefer killing things with a rifle to looking at holes in paper. My long range shooting involves Rockchucks and Prairie Dogs, and the occasional Coyote. Stay on task: all WW wants is a couple opinions as to what caliber and cartridge chambering to do on an existing platform. Let the man have joy and the satisfaction his efforts bring him in HiPower and stop ridiculing his equipment choices. Rich | |||
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I think you may be missing the point. I haven't seen anyone tell you to get a bench rest action. The only recommendation I saw was tto get a savage, one of the cheapest and ugliest actions out there. I to own literally scores of Mauser guns, one even a single shot bench rest/varmint rifle in a 284 based wildcat, but if I were going to shoot at camp perry, it wouldn't be there. You may have already committed to it, but it can be sold as easily as it was bought. Sell it and buy a cheap savage, put on a good barrel and go. If your next statement is that you can't afford a good barrel, then what is really the point. If you truly just want to shoot, as you indicate, then just buy a stock weatherby vanguard in 30-06 or a savage in the same, glass it into and acceptable stock yourself, and go shoot. | |||
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Wonderwolf, If I were you, I'd take stock of what your long term goals are. Balance that against your check book. As all these fine gentleman have said, your mauser is going to be a handicap. Which is fine, but if you just want to get in the game and compete, I wouldn't waste much money gold plating the gun. I'd even avoid the 6.5 route (even though I love mausers and 6.5 caliber). I'd pour my money into ammo. 308/30-06 components (for big-bore competition) are a much better bargain compared to necking down 270 brass. On top of the extra expense, after necking down the brass, you'd likely need to do some neck trimming to get rid of the excess brass. Go 30-06. So, relax, take a breath and come on back. What kind of cake do you have to spend? Do you just have an action or is it the whole deal? What about a stock? Is it a prone stock? You'll need a good trigger. Sights? Got the money for a Tubb lightweight firing pin? Do you already have a 30-06 barrel? You should make sure it gets a target crown on a lathe before you screw it on the action. Dave | |||
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I would just have clowdis build you a gun so you don't end up spending money on another gun down the road. It would be money well spent. | |||
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Wow. I think he was asking about which chambering.....Floyd with the choices you have for chambering, go with the .30/06. Your barrel will last longer and there are a lot of .30 caliber match bullets to use. You might even find that a non match 30 caliber bullet is the ticket. In my cuurent "1000 yard" gun a 300 Wincherter Magnum on a 700 action it likes the 180 grain balistic tip best. I would not start with a Mauser action either, but properly stocked, properly bedded, and properly barreled there is a good chance that it will be accurate. At a 1,000 yards things like wind and mirage cause most of your trouble. Practicing with non match bullets at your home ranges makes sense, trigger time is important and again with a .30/06 you might get 7,000 + rounds out of it, that's a lot of well aimed shots. I don't know how many 173gr pulled match bullets we shot for practice but it was a bunch and cheap. 8 miss the days when we felt sophisticated pulling those issued match bullets and replacing them with Sierra 168s. It was called "Mexican Match" in those days, don't suppose we could say that any more And don't stress about not chambering it in 308. It is a marginal 1,000 yard cartridge unless everyone else has to use a 308 too. Good luck, let's see some targets when it built. | |||
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