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I am looking to build a 50/110 based on a modern 1886 rifle. The objective is to build a rifle capable of handling cast bullets from 450-700 gr. I intend to use jacketed as well, but prefer to cast my own. One of the issues seems to be OAL of loaded ammo. I am looking to load these out to max OAL possible (approx 2.8") and while these can cycle through the action, the problem seems to be getting them through the loading gate and into the tube mag. Appreciate hearing from anyone who has had experience in building such a rifle. Regards, Joe | ||
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Talk to Dave Clay. David Clay DRC Armaments 4201 E. Renfro Rd. Alvarado, TX 76009 1-817-783-6099 You learn something new everyday whether you want to or not. | |||
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Hello, I am thinking about the same project. Why did you pick the 50-110 over the 50AK? I have been trying to decide between the two. John | |||
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do the 50-110 starline makes brass and grizzly cartridge is comming out with ammo! 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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I kicked the 50 ak/50-110 idea around a couple years back. Decided the 45-70 was all I really needed. Anyway, Tim Sundles (buffalo Bore ammo) indicated that 50ak ammo shoots well in a 50-110 chamber. Along that same line of thought, you can load a 50-110 to 50 ak levels but not the other way around. Something to keep in mind, a Marlin will handle the 50ak just fine , is a cheaper/simpler gun to start with and is a much less expensive conversion to 50ak that the 86-to 50-110 conversion. Good luck with whichever project you decide on. Curt | |||
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dont forget you can do the 50-110 on the b.l.r. load to the case limit in preasure...535@ 2150 anyone? 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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I liked the idea of 50/110 rather 50AK. With cases available for either it really boils down to personal choice. I suspect both can be loaded to similar power levels if OAL is the same. Personally I think the 50/110 feels like a more traditional choice in an 1886. As someone pointed out, there is nothing wrong with a 45/70. Its a very flexible cartridge really. But I've had one of those for years and felt the "need" for a new toy. Can anyone comment on the OAL of a 50/110 in 1886, feeding problems, throating and other issues to consider ? Also appreciate views on barrels to use for such project if anyone done this before. Joe | |||
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You really need to talk to Dave Clay. He has made several 50-110 1886s and even did an experiment with the 50-110 in the Marlin 1895 in which it would cycle and chamber, but not reliably. He would know the OAL limitations of a custom 50-110 1886. You learn something new everyday whether you want to or not. | |||
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what jackfish said... for feeding purposes maybe if we made a 2.3" case instead of a 2.4" 50-110 we could get the max out of a marlin and call it the 50 marlin max! then neck down to 475 and 458... the 458 would be the cheapest and might qualify for d.g. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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if the marlin 50a.k. is getting 450gr@2050 than with .2" longer we might get 535gr@ 2100 better put on the "wusie pad" and make sure yooo got a good'n recoil pad! so just immagine .1" shorter... 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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and... you could shoot 50 a.k. out of the same gun too... 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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great minds think alike... talked to dave clay he made the reamer already and calls it the 50 texan... he estimates 2100-2150 with a 525 grain... great guy... and yes it would shoot 50 a.k. as well 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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I really feel the marlin is at it's best with the .50 ak and should be left at that..................if you want/need more then source a repro 1886 and do the 50-110 also both have brass easily available and correctly headstamped which is a big thing for myself at least...........................but at the same token if it floats your boat do it !! | |||
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