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In the new Marlin catalog, there´s no lever action listed for the .450Marlin. Is this the end, after only 10 years? http://www.marlinfirearms.com/PDFs/Marlin_2011.pdf Martin | ||
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News to me! But with modern loadings of the immortal .45-70, I have to wonder why the .450 Marlin was introduced to begin with. _________________________ Glenn | |||
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I could not agree with you more regarding the introduction of the 450 Marlin. Why??,45-70 Gov't, as most know, can do all that is needed done for such a cartridge. | |||
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I am surprised it took this long. A "Plus-P" load would have been a better choice. I think this was lawyer design. Rich DRSS | |||
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The problem is, any +P factory ammo for the .45-70 isn´t CIP approved. With reloading, you can get within the CIP range (max. ~32000psi) nearly Eo=3000ft.lbs. The .450Marlin is a better update here in europe. With an max. CIP pressure of 43500psi, you can get over 3500ft.lbs. So, for europe, it was the "better" .458" lever action round. Martin | |||
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I have one in the Steyr Pro Hunter, I love it. I'd like to own a stainless laminate stocked rifle, but have not been able to find one. | |||
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Bolt or lever action? Marlin is/was making an stainless steel (lever action) rifle, chambered for the .450Marlin. http://www.marlinfirearms.com/...rms/xlr/1895MXLR.asp And browning too. http://www.browning.com/produc...pistol-grip-firearms http://www.browning.com/produc...ss-takedown-firearms Martin | |||
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Rich I'm with you a wonderful solution to a non existant problem. Jim "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." --Thomas Jefferson | |||
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When I bought my Guide Gun I bought it in 45-70. I never could figure out why anyone would choose a .450 Marlin over a 45-70, like others have stated, a solution looking for a problem. Good riddance. | |||
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I have to agree with the Pro side...and the fact that without choice and innovation we would all be still walking around throwing rocks at squirrels for dinner. It never ceases to amaze me why people get all worked up over choice...if you don't like or want a 450 Marlin...DON'T BUY ONE...SIMPLE AS THAT. Besides the 450 Marlin's much smoother case makes it feed a hell of a lot better that that gross, HUGE rimmed 45-70...and going with a 450 Yukon, basically a WSM cased, 45 cal simple rechamber in the 450 Marlin works even better. Or should we stop all innovation and shoot wildcatting in the ... I have a 45-120, OEM 45-70 NEF BC I like very much and I shoot 45-70 rounds in it all the time...I wouldn't trade or sell it unless I could get/build another one...I built a 458 American(grandaddy to the 450 Marlin) I also like very much and I wouldn't get rid of it either, unless I could building another one. I don't see much difference in the two as far as loading/hunting etc., goes as I load for the SAAMI pressure of the RECEIVER, NOT THE CARTRIDGE...so it makes hardly any difference which one I use...they BOTH do the job...but I have a CHOICE as to which one I pick...IT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH A "NON EXISTANT PROBLEM"...if it did then we're back to rock throwing, walking thing, or maybe you'r missing the whole point...no diss or flame intended. Y'all need to get real with the world and stop this infantile pickyness...your choices AND your guns are being taken away and you whine because you have choice...WTF...or maybe that's what you want.?? Jezzz, you're playing right into the hands of the gungrabbers and don't have a clue. If you don't think they aren't reading all the online krap and using it against us, you need to come out of the woods more often. LUCK | |||
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Just for kicks, I'm having my remington 673 350 rem mag turned into a 450 marlin. | |||
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That sounds pretty cool! Before FN shut down the Newhaven plant, the Winchester custom shop offered the custom short action in 450 Marlin. Never seen or heard of one actually being produced. Matt FISH!! Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." | |||
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I heard that too… But there are more than a few 450 Marlins out there. As many of you know I have a 450M in a XLR and my oldest son bought his the year they came out… It never ceases to amaze me the reaction from some of the 45/70 guys … In the end, I still believe it was a good Idea… maybe Marlin should have taken a bit farther, maybe Hornady could have applied their super powders to it… but that is for history to decide. Please keep in mind I am a fan of the 480 Ruger too… Maybe there will be a comeback… | |||
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Yes, since last summer, I´m too.  Here´s my new "toy".  Martin | |||
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It would seem you are in the minority, otherwise they would still be cataloging it. It was dropped because it was redundant and very few people wanted it and instead chose the 45-70. I don't see how criticizing an unnecessary cartridge designed and marketed at the behest of a bunch of industry lawyers is playing into the hands of the gun grabbers. | |||
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Marlin tried something new, a modern version of the 45/70 with a belt and it didn’t work out for them. I saw no need for it. Apparently other people didn’t either. It they’re looking to improve sales, make a rifle that can chamber the same cartridges an 86 can handle, maybe a little longer. I know that would be almost impossible in this day and age. Things could get very interesting after that. | |||
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You won't be missing it much (or that 45/70) when they bring out their new .475 caliber levergun. Shhh, don't spread it around...I want the first one. | |||
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I think the marlin line will have many changes the next couple years after the take over. | |||
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I have 2 45/70's and 2 450 Marlin's. Love them all. Redundant? Maybe so, but I sure have fun with em! | |||
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I don't really care if Marlin makes one or not, but I think it's a stupid thing to argue about. I more concerned with why no one in this country makes an atractive hammerless break open single shot. | |||
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Ah. You taught me something new. Thanks. _________________________ Glenn | |||
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every time someone says "you can load a 45/70 as hot as a 450 marlin" they are explaining the marlin's reason and purpose for being. byw, the 450 marlin is NOT loaded to 458 american pressure, for the same reason as above. it IS an over the counter, high pressure "45/70", .. that can't be fired in trapdoors ... however, rumors of its demise are greatly overstated http://www.marlinfirearms.com/...rms/xlr/1895MXLR.asp http://www.marlinfirearms.com/...ms/bigbore/1895M.asp opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I agree completely with you, the main reason I own a 450M in a XLR is you can't put a hot round in the wrong rifle. but sometimes it is so difficult dealing with folks who figure that it's their way or the highway... and I don't come here to fight with folks I’ve never met. I too saw that they were still on the Website... do you have any other confirmation? I was hoping they would expand the Cowboy rifle to 450M. | |||
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Sooooooooo, What pressures would be safe for the 450 marlin in a modern bolt rifle? | |||
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Winchester a few years ago actually offered a M-70 SA in .450 Marlin through their custom shop. I see no reason that it can't be loaded to the same pressure as the .458 Win Mag or any other modern day magnum in that rifle. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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The 450 is a wonderful rifle, so is the 45/70 and the 444. No sense arguing over which is best, just get one of each and you have this covered. Never understood the 45/70 guys arguing with the 444 and 450 fellas. No question who was here first and likely who will be around the longest. Can't we just enjoy em for what they are?, big bore fun....  | |||
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Talk about redundancy...all you have to do is look at the 7mm, 30, 358 or just about ANY caliber and you will find lots of redundancy...that doesn't mean the redundant cartridges have no value...IT MEANS YOU HAVE CHOICE. You DON'T reload a cartidge for the capabilities of the cartridge...you reload for the capabilities AND limitations of the RECEIVER...at least you do if you have your head screwed on right. I reload my 458 American and 356 Win for the SAAMI specs of the SMLE and MARLIN receiver...NOT what I can jack the cartridge to as far as pressure is concerned. BOTH of these receivers are rated about the same SAAMI pressure limit. I could have chambered the SMLE for the 450 Marlin and been identical in ballistics to the American, but I have plenty of belted mag cases so I chose the 458 American so I could use my 458 WM dies and not need to buy different brass. I will reload my MARLIN swap barrel 356 Win, 444 and 375-444,(maybe 416-444 in the future) for the pressure limits of the receiver and it doesn't matter to me WHAT anyone else thinks about whether a cartridge is redundant or not...all that means is someone has a limited perspective on firearms and cartridges...good thing very few bother to listen to them or we would still be throwing rocks.  LUCK | |||
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My 450 feeds so smooth I don't think I would ever like the 45-70 in a lever. I have tried a couple out and they just did'nt seem to feed as smooth. I don't understand why most 45-70 owners seem to be against the 450. I did buy a Buffalo Classic in 45-70 a I enjoy it. Very good shooter. To each his own but for me, make mine a 450.  I respect your right to use whatever you like.The more people I get to know, the more I love my dog! | |||
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I love my 450. If you haven't fired one you shouldn't judge. Sure the 45/70 has the same potential but what isn't to like about another big bore cartridge? 1895M (450)  1895G (45/70)  | |||
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I have seen one for sale recently...a Custom Shop Model 70 in 450 Marlin. If you're interested, I can try to find it. | |||
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+ 1 I dont get it. Some guys like blondes, some like brunettes. Why question a guy's choice of rifle chambering? ......civilize 'em with a Krag | |||
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The 450 is still on Marlin's web site. I think the reports of it's death are premature. I agree with Jeff. If you are not a hand loader and you want to shoot a big bore lever, the .450 is a good choice. Hand loaders can pretty much duplicate the 450's ballistics with the .45-70. The 450 was designed so that nobody would be able to stick a 450 down the tube of a rifle made for Trapdoor pressures. I have the 45-70 but I am sure the 450 is a dandy cartridge. Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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I wish someone would come out with a cheap (Savage) bolt gun in 450 Marlin. The Styer is the only one I know of and its not cheap. What I need is a good tree stand or drag through the mud gun. I just never cared to do that to a nice lever gun. Cheers, John Give me COFFEE and nobody gets hurt | |||
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They should have designed the case with the same belt as the 458 win mag. then big bore shooters could have cheap, low recoil rounds, suitable for big game that they can shoot out of their african rifles, maybe? That said, I hope the 450 marlin stays strong as I just bought one. | |||
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HELL NO.. that's why the 458 american didn't become a factory round... it can be loading into the chamber of something like a 300weatherby, and with the same headspace, the bolt can be closed.. and IF IT WAS FIRED, it would kill someone... and likely anyone near it.
Mick, you had jumped to a conclusion.. and are dead wrong about it. The "new cartridge haters" all want to see the new stuff off the shelf.. if YOU don't like it, then don't buy it. For the nonreloader, 2 box of shells a year guy, wanting a powerful brush gun for pigs and deer... BANG, the 450 marlin beats everything else, hands down. yeah, them there wsm and rums sure enough did die off, dinna dey? oh, wait.. STILL top sellers? ammo STILL at walmart... ?? opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I agree with Jeff. For a person who doesn't load his/her own cartridges, the 450 Marlin is a great choice if you want a really powerful lever gun. For the hand loader, the 45-70 works just fine and gives you the option of loading it down. Both great cartridges. Jeff, are you a lever gun guy? Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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There are other many other cases where cartidges can be chambered in a rifle that doesn't belong and yes some with even bigger bullet diameter that could cause a blown up gun. I think if you can't figure out what ammo to shoot, especially if its 45 cal going into a much smaller bore, you should not be using firearms | |||
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That argument about mixing calibers doesn't hunt...otherwise there would be dead bodies lying unburied all over the place...including mine...I have 7-8 belted mags and have no trouble keeping the calibers separated. The arguments going on about the 450 VS the 45-70 have always seemed ludicrous to me ever since the 450 M came out. You'd think it was something trying to abuse your daughter. Besidesd I can shoot 45-70 cases in my TWO 458 A's along with the belted mag cases AND if you know what you're doing I can shoot belted mag cases in my 450M...SAFELY...I did it and posted HOW to safely do it. I have no problem with my 450 BLR loading it to 458WM velocities and pressures right out of the Hornday onine and 2006 Manual...if you bother to do some research and understand ballistics. The main problem is people loose their perspective when getting into arguments over comparisons to their favorite shooters and start mixing guavas and kumquats, jumping over the apples and oranges completely. It doesn't matter if Remarlington stop production of the 450 M or not...there are enought rifles floating around to keep the cartridge going for another centrury at least...so what's the problem?? Jezzzz...leave it alone...no one is going to convince anyone either way and all it does is make you crazy trying to prove something that can't be proven and doesn't need to be anyway. Luck | |||
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When was the 450 Marlin ever popular????? You can borrow money, but you can't borrow time. Don't wait, go now. Savannah Safaris Namibia Otjitambi Trails & Safaris DRSS NRA SCI DSC TSRA TMPA | |||
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