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https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-...0protect%20its%20cub.

A man was mauled by a black bear while walking his dog in a wooded area, marking the second attack in Anchorage, Alaska, in one week, according to local police.

Officials responded to a call about a bear attack at approximately 9:10 a.m. on Saturday at the Barbara Falls Trailhead, Anchorage Police Department said in a statement sent to ABC News.

Another person on the trail -- who did not see the attack -- found the victim, according to officials. He sustained injuries to his arm, they noted.

The victim, who deployed bear spray, sustained injuries to his arm, according to the Anchorage Police Department
 
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This protective attack occurred on a trail in Eagle River 20 minutes from Anchorage, though ER is technically part of the Municipality of Anchorage.

Our salmon return this year is off the charts. I would not hike anywhere near a river like Campbell Creek, right behind my house, at present.


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This protective attack


How do you what the bear was thinking.

what was the bear in danger from.
 
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How do you what the bear was thinking.

what was the bear in danger from.


Proximity

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The man was walking his dog along the trail when a " black bear and her cub came out of the wooded area," according to police.


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Proximity


Also makes the bear dangerous to the man and dog.

Proven by the fact that the bear attacked the man not vice versa.

The bear proved it was more dangerous to the man by attacking him.

The bear could have easily left and no harm would have came to it.

If one believes that a bear is justified in attacking a man because he is close.

Then a man is just as justified, in protecting himself from a bear that is close.
 
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Looking at the recent AR National Park homicides, and the black bear killing of a cabin owner near Prescott, AZ two years ago: it is a toss up; as to dangerous psychotic humans or irritated bears.

If bear spray is only a maybe, and ill-advised if the wind and bear are coming from the same direction:
Sam Colt may have had the right answer a century ago, as did Browning and Oliver Winchester.

Keep in mind that the grizzly bear in North America is probably the smartist critter in the spruce and Douglas fir forests. He is also faster
than a race horse on the attack. Lever action rifles trump bear spray...


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The 28-year-old schoolteacher suspected of fatally stabbing a married couple in an Arkansas state park

Bear attacks human.

For thousands of year of human history.

Humans have know that each other and wild animals are dangerous to themselves.

Weapons were/have been developed to protect ones self from harm.

The new pagans in the last 50 years or so have pushed the idea that animals are more sacred and valuable then humans.

That it is ok to sacrificed the occasional human to the animals so the animals can prosper.

Thus spray was developed to protect the animals from injury.
It is far more important that an animal lives to see another day then a human.

The people promoting spray push, see the animal wasn't harmed.

Bear spray, a non-lethal tool for deterring bears, was developed in the mid-1980s by Carrie Hunt and Bill Pounds,

Non Lethal for the bear.

I believe there have been 7 people who have died from bears while trying to defend themselves from bears with spray.

https://www.ammoland.com/2023/...rvive-a-bear-attack/


Spray is good for bears bad for people.

When it comes to defending ones self from attack firearms have proven themselves over hundreds of years to be superior to other weapons.

Spray on the other hand has had mixed results in the short 40 years or so it has been around.

Chose for yourself.

Are you are more concerned about saving the bears life or your own.
 
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How do you what the bear was thinking.

what was the bear in danger from.


Proximity


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The man was walking his dog along the trail when a " black bear and her cub came out of the wooded area," according to police.


Dogs and bears are a recipe for trouble.


When the horse has been eliminated, human life may be extended an average of five or more years.
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Dogs and bears are a recipe for trouble.


Where bears are hunted with dogs the bears tend to run from the dogs.
 
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Dogs and bears are a recipe for trouble.


Where bears are hunted with dogs the bears tend to run from the dogs.


A Grizz won't take no shit from a yappy dog. Big Grin


When the horse has been eliminated, human life may be extended an average of five or more years.
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Grizzly's have been successfully hunted dogs for a long time.

One of the early successful grizzly hound man was Montague Stevens of New Mexico in the late 1800's.

Even our own chilcotin hillbilly offered a grizzly offered a grizzly hound out. Just before the ban.

In Sweden they still use one or two dogs to hunt brown bears/grizzly works well.

There are several you tubes out there showing grizzly/brown bears being harassed by dogs. Protecting live stock ect.

So I stand by my statement where bears are hunted by dogs they tend to respect and run from dogs.

Bears have to be taught to fear humans.
 
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Nothing like a bear story to get the P-dog hunter going!


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Grizzly's have been successfully hunted dogs for a long time.

One of the early successful grizzly hound man was Montague Stevens of New Mexico in the late 1800's.

Even our own chilcotin hillbilly offered a grizzly offered a grizzly hound out. Just before the ban.

In Sweden they still use one or two dogs to hunt brown bears/grizzly works well.

There are several you tubes out there showing grizzly/brown bears being harassed by dogs. Protecting live stock ect.

So I stand by my statement where bears are hunted by dogs they tend to respect and run from dogs.

Bears have to be taught to fear humans.



So how are bears taught to fear humans.
 
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By hunting them

Shoot the most aggressive bears off the milder one breed and learn to stay away from humans.
 
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By hunting them

Shoot the most aggressive bears off the milder one breed and learn to stay away from humans.


haha well thats just a myth guys like you make up proven wrong for there has been attacks were bears are still hunted. Some bears protect there cubs and kills and them selves, those that spend time in the outdoors no this. Seems like you should spend some real time outside away from the computer and all this stuff you dig up on the internet.
 
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That's why in areas where they are hunted they run from humans.

Then in areas where bears are not hunted they stand around and do not run.

As so with any animal that is hunted
 
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Seems like you should spend some real time outside away from the computer and all this stuff you dig up on the internet.


Like stepping out my front or back door.

Not that uncommon to have bears wander through the yard.
 
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That's why in areas where they are hunted they run from humans.

Then in areas where bears are not hunted they stand around and do not run.

As so with any animal that is hunted


haha its all good you just keep showing how false your statements are like in your last 2 posts youll be safe inside might get virus or bug on the computer though.
 
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So you are saying that animals who are hunted just stand around and let them themselves get shot.
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Nothing like a bear story to get the P-dog hunter going!


ah ah +1.
 
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So you are saying that animals who are hunted just stand around and let them themselves get shot.
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No I said you keep showing how false your statements are and you continue to do so.
 
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Sage besides attacking the messenger.

You haven't made any statements to prove anything.
 
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Sage besides attacking the messenger.

You haven't made any statements to prove anything.


haha attacking the messenger you sound like some of the reporters on wildlife encounters.
Have all ready said people have still been attacked by bears in areas were there is hunting seasons proving your theroy wrong. You say hunted animals run away watch a few you tube videos, hundreds out there showing moose etc walking right up to people that are hunting them.
Does wisconson have a bear season yet the saunter thru your yard.
Doesnt matter what it is bears, wolves, probable cats you go off like there out to kill everything and everyone, best to get out and learn something about them not just on the net. Or could move to Romania if youfeel safe there.
 
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The percentages of animal attacks are lower in the areas they are hunted.

Of course animals are killed by humans because we are the superior Predator.

Human hunters go to great lengths to over come their preys ability to avoid getting killed.

During non-hunting seasons a lot of animals stand around and let humans get close.

Soon as hunting season start they soon go into hiding.

But of course that is obvious to anybody that has hunted for any amount of time.

Only someone with limited hunting experience would argue against that fact
 
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The percentages of animal attacks are lower in the areas they are hunted.

Of course animals are killed by humans because we are the superior Predator.

Human hunters go to great lengths to over come their preys ability to avoid getting killed.

During non-hunting seasons a lot of animals stand around and let humans get close.

Soon as hunting season start they soon go into hiding.

But of course that is obvious to anybody that has hunted for any amount of time.

Only someone with limited hunting experience would argue against that fact


ok so sorry but have to chuckle again, so how does an animal no hunting season has started and when its over.
You bring up amount of time hunted and experience, so you seem to quit often talk about certain predators so
lets just take grizzly, wolves and cougars for now whats your time hunted and hunting experience with them.
 
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i encourage you to read the abstract and links you posted before going forward as some of your statements contradicted what is posted there ...
 
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i encourage you to read the abstract and links you posted before going forward as some of your statements contradicted what is posted there ...


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I am always glad to see people who are willing to do their own reading and decide for themselves.

Nothing when it comes to animals is a 100 percent.

There can and always be some contradictions because animals are induvial in their behavior.

Thus predicting what or how a animal will react to a certain situation is very hard.
 
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I am always glad to see people who are willing to do their own reading and decide for themselves.

Nothing when it comes to animals is a 100 percent.

There can and always be some contradictions because animals are induvial in their behavior.

Thus predicting what or how a animal will react to a certain situation is very hard.


yes its good people will read and make there own decisions, but whats better if people
writing stuff actually have some personal knowledge or experience with what they are talking about,
then just searching the net to find something to post because of there fear or dislike for certain
animals.
 
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You are correct.

As one with five plus decades of hunting, trapping, hiking, camping, fishing and general all around outdoor experience.

All over the lower 48 some in AK and parts of Canada

I would expect the same from others
 
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You are correct.

As one with five plus decades of hunting, trapping, hiking, camping, fishing and general all around outdoor experience.

All over the lower 48 some in AK and parts of Canada

I would expect the same from others


yes that is why since you so often talk about predators and post about them I asked a few posts up what is your personal experience HUNTING grizzly, wolves and cougars and time hunting them. Or is your experience just time spent in there habitat once in a while but never hunted them.
 
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You are correct.

As one with five plus decades of hunting, trapping, hiking, camping, fishing and general all around outdoor experience.

All over the lower 48 some in AK and parts of Canada

I would expect the same from others


yes that is why since you so often talk about predators and post about them I asked a few posts up what is your personal experience HUNTING grizzly, wolves and cougars and time hunting them. Or is your experience just time spent in there habitat once in a while but never hunted them.


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I am not going to male a list of the critters I have shot or pursued.

Serves the discussion not at all.

Asking me is just a smoke screen to avoid the over all topic.

If you don't understand the basic fact that hunted animals are wary of and tend to avoid others that are hunting them.

It is your lack of experience.
 
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I am not going to male a list of the critters I have shot or pursued.

Serves the discussion not at all.

Asking me is just a smoke screen to avoid the over all topic.

If you don't understand the basic fact that hunted animals are wary of and tend to avoid others that are hunting them.

It is your lack of experience.


Its all good will take it as a no havent hunted them or no real experience with them and most of what you no is off the net.
Be safe out there.
 
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You are correct.

As one with five plus decades of hunting, trapping, hiking, camping, fishing and general all around outdoor experience.

All over the lower 48 some in AK and parts of Canada

I would expect the same from others


yes that is why since you so often talk about predators and post about them I asked a few posts up what is your personal experience HUNTING grizzly, wolves and cougars and time hunting them. Or is your experience just time spent in there habitat once in a while but never hunted them.



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You are correct.

As one with five plus decades of hunting, trapping, hiking, camping, fishing and general all around outdoor experience.

All over the lower 48 some in AK and parts of Canada

I would expect the same from others


yes that is why since you so often talk about predators and post about them I asked a few posts up what is your personal experience HUNTING grizzly, wolves and cougars and time hunting them. Or is your experience just time spent in there habitat once in a while but never hunted them.



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You are correct.

As one with five plus decades of hunting, trapping, hiking, camping, fishing and general all around outdoor experience.

All over the lower 48 some in AK and parts of Canada

I would expect the same from others


yes that is why since you so often talk about predators and post about them I asked a few posts up what is your personal experience HUNTING grizzly, wolves and cougars and time hunting them. Or is your experience just time spent in there habitat once in a while but never hunted them.



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Monster bear! Congrats! What did he measure if you don't mind me asking?


8 1/2 squared, 25 5/8 skull. Decent bear for the Togiak area. That was DIY way back in 2000 when a tag for residents cost $25 and you were limited to one bear every four years. Now It's two bear per year.


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