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theres an insult if ever I heard one.The defense rests. If there are hordes of yankees swarming in, why are you claiming their money doesnt have a big impact on the BC economy? Maybe your a little pissed off and making statements before you think much about it,eh? ****************************************************************** SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM *********** | |||
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Really ????? If that is the case and you are speaking for the most of "you". You should talk to the hundreds of BC, Alberta. Manitoba, Saskatchewan, NWT, Yukon, Ontario and all other province outfitters who rely on primarily on American huters and the American Dollar for most if not all of the revenue. That is not including all of the rental car, hotel, restaurant, and fuel business's that benefit from our presence as hunters. OH lets not forget about the license and tags and the almighty GST. The intention was never to Slam canadians only to point out the facts to the Idiot or idiots who slammed our business. I do think that you need to think through what is said about not needing us Americans. As the last time I came into Canada you accepted our currency, but when I returned I could not even get a bank to accept a canadian quarter. Facts are Facts Doug Klunder | |||
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The outfitters here in BC are largely foreign-owned, mostly Yankees and they DO NOT have much of an impact on our economy, as my considerable experience with them has shown me. But, that really doesn't matter, the crux of this matter is that YOU are a loudmouthed Yankee whom I do not want in my country and many of us are now involved in the politics of ending American hunting/fishing here. The BC Wildlife Federation, of which I am a former executive member has and is attempting to restrict American hunting/fishing here in BC and we WILL do so, wait and see. Change takes time and is never as precise as one would like, but, you illiterate redneck peckerwood, you WILL be banned from access to Canadian wildlife, fish and probably other resources MUCH sooner than you seem to think. If, this is ...an insult..., why, that is just too, too bad, "turn about is fair play", EH? | |||
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Name calling is not called for. No wonder you are a FORMER EXECUTIVE MEMBER. IMO Doug Klunder | |||
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So, you can call Canada names, but, if I respond, that is ...not called for...????? Well, I was ONLY stating my honest opinion and cannot help what you have demonstrated you are. I am a ...former member..., because I resigned due to being offshore with the Canadian Coast Guard. Anyway, my point is made, your kind are NOT welcome here in Canada, finis. | |||
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Call the U.S anything you want. I never got to personal attacks. Canada as i stated earlier in my original post and all others. If something I have stated is NOT true. Please inform me. That is my opinion of Canada. Great place to hunt and fish, would not want to live there. I can tell you here in the U.S. they will never know who has the guns and how many guns I own. Politicians, criminals, or terrorists alike Doug Klunder | |||
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let me guess, no molson..your a windsor-coke drinker arent yah? you ol' hoser ,you. surely your not this ornery, sober are you? ****************************************************************** SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM *********** | |||
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Wow, I'm sorry you feel that way. I would share a camp with any like-minded hunter no matter where he is from as long as he treats me with respect. Dewey, you seem to be a very angry man. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Some interesting replies. Ya know, no one is required to like someone else's country. Hell, they're not even required to like their own country! Getting back to the topic, some anti-hunters in both countries won't listen to reason. They already believe what they want to believe and no amount of logical discussion is going to change that. If Marabou Slasher felt it necessary to include his perspective on Canada in his remarks because the sender was from Canada, that's his choice. If the sender would have been from California, he probably could have used the same arguments he sent to Canada! Clearly, as he stated he doesn't get much business from Canada. So, in my view, he blasted the sender...Ted Nugent style. So be it... | |||
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It sorta sounds like Dewey might be some sort of tree hugger himself. That "BC Wildlife Federation" isn't something like the "American Shooters and Hunters Association" is it??? Rad NRA Benefactor Member | |||
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And you can thank Osama Bin Ladin for that! Not the people of the USA! Maybe terrorists will bomb your country next so Americans can have as much of a bitch bringing fireams into Canada. That would level the playing field, so to speak. Knock yourself out! Just like Canada, some states/regions are "socialist" but the whole is not. I have friends that are Canadian, too! I can like them and feel their country sucks at the same time. It's called multitasking. JUST A TYPICAL WHITE GUY BITTERLY CLINGING TO GUNS AND RELIGION Definition of HOPLOPHOBIA "I'm the guy that originally wrote the 'assault weapons' ban." --- Former Vice President Joe Biden | |||
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Shoot,dewey,that was a pretty big post you had there ,to delete so fast.Hardly anyone got to read it. I had to delete my response to it,as it didnt make sense with out your anti american feeling being seen. You think your not angry?Better go see a psychiatrist .You need counseling,or some meds. Have a nice day.  ****************************************************************** SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM *********** | |||
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I decided to delete the post as this is pointless, I have made my point and further comment is a waste of my time and energy. | |||
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I have been reviewing your posts ,and you seem to have nothing good to say about anything .  Your general theme is how much smarter you are than everyone else.****************************************************************** SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM *********** | |||
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Absolutely correct, most just don't like to hear the truth! No reason to apologize. | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Joel/AK: Just a honest question, what problems is ther for you to bring a gun into the US? I only asked cuz my wife is a taxidermist so I get to talk to alot of foriegn hunters and no one has mentioned a problem. I dont mean anything by it. QUOTE] We have to pre-apply to the ATF, months in advance. | |||
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Dont worry,you'll soon catch up. ****************************************************************** SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM *********** | |||
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You may find this link of interest. http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcbogus.html | |||
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That's ok I think the US sucks too-have a nice day Hunting isn't a mater of life and death......it's more important than that | |||
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Such an eloquent reply!  Straight out of 3rd grade. e.g., My Daddy can beat up your Daddy! I know you are, but what am I?  JUST A TYPICAL WHITE GUY BITTERLY CLINGING TO GUNS AND RELIGION Definition of HOPLOPHOBIA "I'm the guy that originally wrote the 'assault weapons' ban." --- Former Vice President Joe Biden | |||
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Hunting isn't a mater of life and death......it's more important than that | |||
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Nice try SHOOTIST, but again off the mark. I can understand lots of things in the 3rd grade level, I have to. My girlfriend has a 7 and a 9 year old, it is something you EXPECT from that age group. I hear that kind of crap nearly everyday from them or one of their friends. Besides,  , you WROTE IT.Back to the original thread, if you don't like the response, that's OK. Most of us are grownups here!  Oh, I forgot to add, you never responded to my comment about 9-11. The reason terrorists won't attack Canada is they don't like blended whiskey! Besides a couple brands of beer and Canadian Whiskey, there ain't much else! JUST A TYPICAL WHITE GUY BITTERLY CLINGING TO GUNS AND RELIGION Definition of HOPLOPHOBIA "I'm the guy that originally wrote the 'assault weapons' ban." --- Former Vice President Joe Biden | |||
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Ahh flippy there is so much ammo there it wouldn't even be sporting anymore. One thing though-the reason you get bombed and not us-the US is pretty much hated worldwide-as I recall on some poll-(don't ask me to find it because I don't remember who's it was) that Canada was considered as one of the most desirable places to live world wide-don't think that the US even made the top 30. Well it's been fun flippy but you bore me so I'm off to elk camp. ta ta for now. Hunting isn't a mater of life and death......it's more important than that | |||
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Dewey = kutenay from the 24HCF. That pretty much explains his posts. "We band of 45-70'ers" | |||
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The U.S. is hated worldwide? Great...we're number 1!  | |||
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I think dewey has forgotten,as he has mentioned in some of his other thousands of posts ,here and 24HCF,That it is the CROWNS land and game,not his,and if the CROWN wants to sell concession rights to foreigners they(or it) can do so. There in lies the difference between free men and subjects to the crown. ****************************************************************** SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM *********** | |||
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I am still waiting for dewey or any other canadian brothers to corrsct me if I was wrong in my original reply. I guess I will have to keep waiting. Doug Klunder | |||
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What is your problem, man? That was a very tasteless comment. This didn't need to turn into a Canada versus US pissing contest.  "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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maybe we should organize a BC group hunt for as many of us for-ein -ers as possible, to snatch up as much of the BC crown's game as we can carry off as booty whilst we still can.  We could probably lobby the BC gov't with some wine(or beer) wimmen and song, to hold off the inevitable closing of BC hunting to for-ein -ers for as long as possible so's we can thin the herd as much as possible before they wise up to us. I see where Dewey (kutenay)has had a bunch of his posts censored by the owner on 24HCF for racist remarks  On that point,shouldn't the game belong to the native American population,and not the Canadian "carpetbaggers" who now are trying to take it for themselves?     And,by the way Dewey,whats wrong with ted nugent?For some reason ,Dewey doesnt like the motor city madman? back strap heaven!! ****************************************************************** SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM *********** | |||
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I would have to agree with the why bash a country because of some loser anti hunting e-mail. They have nothing to do with how the country is run. I also don't get why anyone south of the border thinks our health care sucks or is failing in anyway. Seems fine to me, yes it is costly but I never have to worry if I can afford any surgery's or treatment. From what i know the people that need treatment get it in a timely manner, Other treatment you can wait or pay more for private treatment. As to gun control, sucks, big waste of money, but some of your states are not any better of. Gay marriage, well won't even go there! As to the econemy running on foriegn hunters, not quite true, yes it is part of the economy, but if it dried up it would not even make a dent. Lumber and oil still run the show. Just my 2 cents, or 1.25 US currently. | |||
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But thats exactly what the original poster did.. Ironic isnt it Calgary guy | |||
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So then we should just keep going back and forth about who's country is better? Are we that damn childish? I used the "he started it" defense numerous times before reaching puberty. There are enough folks out there who would love to ban what we love to do -- hunt, and we can't afford to be fighting amongst ourselves. It's counter productive. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I totally agree, however, what quite a number of American posters on this and other hunting related sites seem to fail to grasp is that the general feeling here in BC is VERY opposed to foreign and especially American hunting here and also to fishing. This is what IS happening and commments such as many of those made here simply make this worse as quite a number of non-posters READ these forums. Here in BC, we have probably the finest wilderness hunting left anywhere on the Earth; but, due to certain "limiting factors", the various game populations are under considerable stress, habitat is decreasing and harvest by foreign trophy collectors is increasing. So, the average guy here has relatively little chance at getting a Stone's Sheep, Bighorn or Dall's and even a good Goat is not that easy to get...just ask me! Yet, most BC hunters/anglers have been pretty laid-back about the thousands of foreign, chiefly American hunters who come here each year and shoot our game. There honestly is VERY little benefit to the BC resident in this, financial or otherwise and, yet, few have complained. We are a generous people, we Canucks, far too much so, it seems. NOW, after the "softwood" debacle severely impacted on the major industry that supports most of the small towns where the hunting industry is based , the locals are not so accepting and often wonder just WHY we continue to allow the very same people who did the deed on "softwood" to hunt here....it simply does not make sense. ALL resources here, lands, waters and biota are "owned" by the Crown, IN RIGHT OF THE PROVINCE OF BC and this MEANS the PEOPLE. So, we do in fact OWN the game, etc., except where treaty obligations with aboriginals exist. To ban foreign hunting here and this IS much more popular than many seem to realize, would simply take "An Order In Council", by the Provincial Government and THAT does NOT even require calling the Provincial Legislature into session. This WAS done by a former administration circa 1999 to ban Grizzly hunting and it CAN be done instantly with NO legal recourse under the BC Wildlife Act by ANY Guide-Outfitter, their "concessions" are NOT binding contracts....READ the relevant sections of the legislation and see for yourself. The District Manager CAN stop ANY Guide-Outfitter from operating at ANY TIME and DOES NOT have to accept ANY foreign hunter, whether present in BC, or not. These people DO listen to locals, WE pay their salaries..... So, the "writing is on the wall" and while it may amuse small-minded types here to slag Canada and our feelings for our rights and our country, the REAL result is that those who do this are helping to end American hunting/fishing here....and that's just fine with most of us. Calgary Guy pointed out that what started this was exactly what some complain about Canadians doing, well, I agree, but, I have tried here to present what is really happening so that those Americans with somewhat more mature and rational minds might think about the entire situation. | |||
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I dont think in the grand scheme of things,what gets said on an internet forum,is going to mean a lot one way or another,or matter to anyone.Obvious,some of these topics are important to some of us.Some people are so wound up over issues,they dont see the forest for the trees. If I remember correctly,the US and Canada have the longest border between two countries that have never been at war with each other.We are like brothers,like it or not.I dont think one of us has gone to war without the other one far behind.I doubt seriously if a few people thousands of miles apart giving each other sheit over the internet will change that.And if it does,....we' ll take'em easy. ****************************************************************** SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM *********** | |||
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Canada was repeated invaded by American forces during the American Rebellion and the War of 1812; we were, although hugely outnumbered, victorious in each and every one of these encounters. Several of my maternal ancestors fought in these engagements and helped drive the Yankee from our land. The Canada-USA border, while not "fortified" in the sense of walls, towers and machine guns, IS covered with sophisticated "spy" elctronics, the American border guards are armed and they have had US Army personnel at them, with M-16s, since 1988, that I have seen. I have not crossed the border in about 10 years and seriously doubt I ever will again, but, it is DEFINITELY "guarded". | |||
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We need to watch the borders more,but it aint canadians we need to keep out. Now if it was something important,like the canucks and the wild for the cup... ****************************************************************** SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM *********** | |||
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Unfortunatley if Obama gets elected you guys won't be far behind us politicaly.As far as the original email that started the topic it would not have mattered if that person was canadian or American they are going to hate hunting and guns and no matter what you say to them it won't change a thing in their attitude. | |||
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Total f'n rubbish. Have you ever heard of the term "priority user". It's used all over Canada by beauraucrats within the game departments. In a nutshell, here's who gets use of licenses/quotas/harvesting of game species: 1.Treaty Indians(or First Nations) 2.Metis 3.Resident of that province 4.Non-Resident Canadian 5.Non-Resident Alien(non-Canadian) Do you actually have any clue as to how much money non-resident hunters contribute to the BC economy? Would you pay $35,000 for a stone sheep hunt? FWIW, I'm not a BC outfitter either. Do you really believe US hunters had something to do with the lumber tariffs ?? That's as ludicrous as Alberta farmers not allowing American bird huners on their fields because of the BSE crisis. This kind of ignorance really gets under my skin. Sorry, had to vent after reading. | |||
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I got curios as to what impact there is on BC economy for hunting and fishing, this is of course only a part of the report, but to those that think they are driving the province's economy because they pay to hunt and fish, sadly wrong. ....... This helped shape the view of BC as province that is highly dependent on fishing, hunting and trapping. There's no doubt that these activities played a big role in the early development of the economy. They're still important sources of employment and income in many coastal communities. Canning and fish processing are among the main activities of BC's food processing industry. However, fishing, hunting and trapping is no longer a primary driver in BC's economy. Only 2,100 people worked in this industry in 2005, accounting for about 0.1% of the province's total workforce. The industry's share of total GDP is also about 0.1%. .......... And from the whole industry 3 out of 4 jobs were in fishing, not hunting. | |||
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Must have been a poll of Canadians. Hated, that makes sense. Most other nations are jealous of us. Jealousy BREEDS hatred. To call you an idiot would be an insult to idiots world wide. | |||
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