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check this brown bear hunt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsJLISMIPjg NRA Life Member, ILL Rifle Assoc Life Member, Navy | ||
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Randall's got it right.. my personal range is about 20"-30' depending. The bigger the gun the closer the bear is the usual rule of thumb! I tend to use more than enough gun | |||
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Makes bow hunting bear look like a stunt. That bear showed no real reaction to be hit twice. | |||
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That bear was going to go down real soon after that second shot. But you are correct in that if there had not been a back up gun there some people would have got hurt real bad... | |||
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I get audio, but no video. Life Member- NRA & SCI | |||
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What a rush that would be! Almost looked like first arrow missed low? Second arrow was a killer (in time). Anybody know what the backup rifle was? Real exciting footage and what a huge Bear. I think the guide handled it like a true pro hats off to him. If he would have dumped the Bear before the charge the client would have felt shortchanged instead he got to stick it and get charged by a huge Bear, real exciting, makes me wish I were there. | |||
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Most likely Luke was shooting his 375 and he showed what a real pro he is. He attempted to scare the bear and finally let it get as close as possible before putting it down. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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I don't know if I would have let the bear that close depending only on a single shot since it was a bolt action and looking at the video that bear had evil intent and was fairly close when the shot rang off. Now considering the4 bear weighed over 1400 pounds I would have wanted a SXS rifle When I did my Brown Bear hunt I used my own reloads, I weighed each loaded cartridge to ensure all was good and I cycled each round through my gun to ensure everything would work but there is always that uncertainty especially with Alaska weather, rain cold etc where I have read of firing pins freezing and the like You really place a lot of trust on your equipment. There is no doubt the guide wanted not to interfere with the bow hunters dream but he surely did not have any choice. To me it looked like the first arrow went under the bear but the video shows an exit wound that may have been from the first shot since the 2nd shot was high in the chest I am sure the guide as proven in this video has nerves of stone and knows what it takes to stop 1400 lbs of intent NRA Life Member, ILL Rifle Assoc Life Member, Navy | |||
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I think if I was was back-up with the rifle I sure would not have a range finder in hand after the first shot was take with the bow. I would have both hands on the rifle. | |||
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I think he was doing what a good guide does and he was intent on getting his client another well aimed shot. | |||
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Amen..... Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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Just gotta love AR and the armchair quarterbacking likely from those that never have been that close to a Brownie. This was well done, start to finish. I have friends that live here that have dumped Brown/Grizzly with a bow and no rifle back up. Smart!! Maybe not. But if that bow hunter had just hunkered down after the second shot that bear may not have homed in and it would have bled out, as the shot looked good. ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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I shot a lion years ago, and suddenly a lioness charged us. My PH and me both had our rifles on her, and he was shouting DON'T SHOOT, DON'T SHOOT! I kept her in my scope, and decided as soon as her head fills the scope, I will fire! She stopped a few yards before us, and went and stood by the dead lion. And as we had a lioness on quota, my PH suggested I shoot her too. Another shot and that was the end of it. | |||
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I am not saying that the guide was not good at all! just giving my if I was opinion. | |||
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PhilR, Sometimes on Popup Video you need to go "full screen" to get the video to appear. It is a setting on your device etc. but this usually works. "The liberty enjoyed by the people of these states of worshiping Almighty God agreeably to their conscience, is not only among the choicest of their blessings, but also of their rights." ~George Washington - 1789 | |||
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That's what grizzly hunting is all about IMHO. Being close up and personal ... Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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After finishing off a couple wounded 400 to 500lb black bears at 5 to 6 feet. A couple at muzzle touching distance. I would have ditched the range finder after the first bow shot. | |||
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Absolutely, But it's a thrill you won't soon forget. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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that was perfectly done in ever respect.....as noted the bruin after the 2nd arrow got up on that ridge left of them and took scent of them and turned. Chances are if the wind was favorable and blowing behind the hunters we would have witnessed the animals demise by the pointy stick. Nice work. | |||
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A perfect example of how it is done right. Unless you have been there with a DG charge 5yds or under you can't appreciate the moment, it's a surreal moment for some, a moment of terror for others. "An individual with experience is never at the mercies of an individual with an argument" | |||
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Ups the pucker factor for sure my son and I were working into the hounds as they were going at in in some very thick brush. Visibility less then 10 feet most of the time. As we near the hounds I handed him my rifle drew my 7.5 inch 44mag His eyes got big and said you not going in after that bear with that. I told him If I can't shoot and kill a bear at 10 to 5 feet with my pistol. All those many 10s of thousands of rounds of practice were for nothing. When I finely got close enough to see the first hound about 6 feet away I knew they did not have a bear bayed. At about 4 feet I saw they had a coon. My son told me after wards he needs more pistol practice I said yep. Adrenalin rush for sure being up close to something big and hairy that is mad gets the old ticker going. That time is was only a coon other times it has been big and black. | |||
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Nice video. Looked like the guide did all he could do to not use his rifle. Great bear. Too bad the bear figured out where they were and charged. Gotta say I'd hunt with that guide in a heartbeat. Bruce | |||
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Me too! Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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wow, that´s Close! Nice video | |||
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The guide did a great job. He protected those guys from becoming steaming bear shit. | |||
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Yup. ×2 . But I find that the older I get the more I prefer 50' to 20' Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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Something else to consider is that when a bear is shot in "self-defense" or the defense of a client, the Fish & Game essentially conducts a coroner-type investigation and as I understand it, it is very thorough. DB Bill aka Bill George | |||
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Some of them are surreal, some are terrifying. Just like car crashes, falling off a ladder or topping a tree up about cloud level. Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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This particular bear was taken on the hunters tag. So ADF+G needn't concern themselves. Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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Does anyone else see the humor in the fact that there are all sorts of armchair experts willing to both criticize Alaskan guide for being too quick on the trigger and then critiquing them for not shooting quick enough on a charging bear. A wounded bear that gets away into the pucker brush is likely to become a charging bear, only from a very close and unpredictable direction. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Damn! That's close. I cannot even pretend to know how I'd react or how I would perform under those circumstances. Cool video, thanks. Zeke | |||
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Wow great video. Getting me excited for my bear hunt. Someone said that was a .375? Good that's what I am taking. Looked effective White Mountains Arizona | |||
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Damn fine guide! Great shooting under pressure!
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Phil you don't necessarily have to be a Bear guide or from Alaska to see the humor in the comments. | |||
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Well Played... | |||
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That's the thing I really noticed.....that range finder would have been on the ground if it had been me.... Guess the guide is experienced in this sort of thing and has a much higher tolerance level for close proximity of a dangerous animal. | |||
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Apparently so....... White Mountains Arizona | |||
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You would expect a bear guide to know how close to let it get and to be able to deal with it. Now me..... | |||
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Excellent performance from the guide. Having been in that situation on 2 different hunts I can say it takes alot to keep your wits about you. Beautiful bruin for sure. Every year I hear stories about brownie sows being shot under DLP during a "preceived" charge at 15+ yards and just as many stories of where experience saved numerous bears that were bluff charging. | |||
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