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this is posted on the marlin owners forum, i posted on it a while back and i have the magazine article but he found a way to post it. it is worth the read and it is worthy of the alaskan board http://www.marlinowners.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=11129 the rifle is identicle in set up to mine and i love it...it is my pet cart and rifle but around here it is like havind a fat girlfriend or driving a scooter...you dont want the people here catch you on one  hope you enjoy it...i like the part where the bullets cant stay in the bear  45-70 haters577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | ||
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Boom stick you seem to want to prove to yourself that the 45-70 is a Brown Bear cartridge. Some will say it is not some will say it is. I guess if you want to prove it spend the 10g's and go shoot a Brown Bear. Then post the results.  | |||
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Broom Stick, I enjoyed the article, thanks for posting it. Harry | |||
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Why would anyone doubt the effectiveness of a .45/70 on any game? With the right bullet, it'll take any animal that walks on Earth! In bolt or double guns, its ballistics approximate the venerable .458 Win Mag! Good huntin', Tom | |||
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hmmmm.....brown bears on POW  .... Antlers Double Rifle Shooters Society Heym 450/400 3" | |||
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Antlers, Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see any mention of brown bear on POW in the article. There was a picture of the bear...  ...and it's looks rubbed. Given it was the last day of the hunt, I'm not suprised. Brian | |||
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Well since I can do it the cheapest I guess I will have to just go shoot a brown with my 45/70. I actually have no doubt that my guide gun will work for bears. Its a big chunk of lead moving along at decent speed with lots of nock down power. I know a few guys that have shot griz/browns with the 45/70 to good effect. I know a few guys that shoot them with 300 win mags and I would much rather use my guide gun than a 180gr 308 cal bullet. I normally pass them up because I don't want to deal with them after the shot. Those hides are heavy and they usually stink to high hell. I could have shot a few bears last year, one pretty decent bear but the prospect of climbing up and getting it and then dragging it back down with me convinced me not to. What am I going to do with a big bear hide in my small house, not really worth the 500-600 to get the darn thing tanned. | |||
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I said Brown Bears because he has asked the question before. I am not saying a 45-70 will not kill any bear I think it will but Boom Stick sounds like he needs to prove to himself that it can do it. As for shooting black bears with a 45-70 really not much to brag about. I would shoot any black bear with my 6mm-284 and a 100gr Partition that walks on this earth. I would also consider it a stopper as well. Black Bears are not tough to kill just about anything that will work on a whitetail will kill a black Bear. As for the comment about not wanting to shoot a Brown Bear because of the hide smelling and not wanting to get it tanned I really feel for you and wish I had that problem.  | |||
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Boomstick, I do not think you need to spend 10g's if you make the right connection to hunt any Grizz-some almost the same size as some coastal bear. If you shot one maybe it would please some here that do spend great chunks of money-they are not hard to kill as some fear they are. Wrong caliber wrong bullet wrong shot wrong situation wrong time of the day is the wrong combination but with a short lever gun in that caliber will fill the bill. I hope you succeed one day to get your dream hunt. good day. | |||
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thanks griz  the 45-70 has plenty o nay sayers but i just like the idea of under 100 yard hunting with fat bullets and lever guns. i would not mind shooting a 450 alaskan 50 alaskan 50-110 or one of my own wildcat ideas...(50 boom stick magnum, a 50-140 case shortened to 2.8" with a 550 gr 510 bullet traveling @ 2,200 fps out of a blr)it realy is the hunt and the experience that is the prize. thebear_78...send the hide and claws my way and i'll tan it and make a nice neclace if you please 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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BW, here's a quote from the article...
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If I had somebody wanted to tan it I would probably take a brown bear for them. I passed a few up this year, nothing very big, one might, MIGHT, have gone 8 foot. He was pretty big. Came across him while I was moose hunting. Only bad thing was if I had shot him it would have really cut into my fuel to have to run its hide and skull in to town to freeze. I always get my $20 griz tag just in case we have to shoot one around camp that gets to curios. Its a lot easier to tag it than claim DLP, way less paperwork. | |||
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DPhillips do you know Jim McFarland at the Floatel? | |||
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Galla and his crew are all Alaskan sourdoughs, veterans who know their way around the woods, and they know what works. To a man they pack a .375 H&H as a backup rifle for when the pudding hits the fan. for an article meant to promote the marlin 45/70's prowess, it sure makes a statement on the 375 as a bear gun | |||
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No, I don't, sorry. My post was to help BW find the claim of the BB on POW Island. | |||
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BW, I was referring to the post: "alaska, brown bear, 45-70...nuff said" I thought it humorous that the post was arguing that 45-70 was adequate for brown bear, but referenced an article about POW black bears - maybe it's just me. Antlers Double Rifle Shooters Society Heym 450/400 3" | |||
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oops! typo/freudian slip  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Thanks Dphillips. Course, I still don't see anywhere in the article where they mentioned Brownies on POW. I do however now understand Antlers reply. No harm done, either way.  Brian | |||
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I have the very similar 450 Marlin which I like a lot. Sub MOA and powerful and handy. It is my bear defense gun with Ashley post and Ghost Ring. Lot's of penetration but you know the A Square reloading manual makes some pretty persuasive points regarding the increased shocking power of 2400ft/sec. This summer I took both the 450 and my 358 Norma out and shot down at the bottom of a slough with about 3" of water and mud soaked bottoms. On bullet impact you can see the crate form and gauge the impact power. The 350 grain bullets from the 450 at 2000ft/sec made an impressive crater about 1 foot wide and fairly deep. The 358 Norma with 300 grain barnes at 2500ft/sec made a much larger crater and the geyser would rain on me from a range of 25 yards. Not conclusive but I think the 358 Norma or similar 375 H&H would give a much harder blow. | |||
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BW, apologies are mine. I mistakenly put Boomstick's title and the article's mention of POW together. My apologies | |||
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I like your testing method! If you do that in the right slough, such as the Aleganik near Cordova, you might also get a few silvers and a seal to boot! Brian | |||
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DPhillips, No apologies required. Sometimes this medium confuses matters. Have a nice year! Brian | |||
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