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4th Person for Africa Needed: Can you help me find another person? I had the winning bid and bought a safari trip for 4 to Republic of South Africa. I already have three and need a fourth person to complete the group. The trip is scheduled for early May of 2018. Lodging, meals, laundry, PH, vehicle, skinners, trackers etc. are covered in the package. Transportation (air & ground) & trophy fees are not covered. If you or someone you know would like more information or to participate please let me know  . Thank YouDFWCaveman | ||
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You gotta include list of trophy fees and transport prices before you ask besides safari company Just common sense " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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Hi DFW, Who is the outfitter/ company/PH? What area? Sounds like a very generous offer. | |||
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I bought the basic hunt package for 4 hunters at the Mule Deer Foundation auction. If we have 4 hunters, we will have the camp to ourselves. The PH/Outfitter is AB Steyn. You can find his web site @ absteynsafaris.com. The trophy fee list is posted there. We will have to use an import service "dip & ship" for returning the trophies unless you have some other means or plan to do taxidermy there. I plan to use a "dip & ship" service that ships directly to Dallas. The first day of hunting is May 7th, 2018 and airport drop-off for return is on the 16th. We plan to take the Delta ATL-JNB (Atlanta to JoBerg) on Saturday May 5th, the flight is about 16 hours. Keep the questions coming... but I don't know all the answers, this will be my first African hunt... DFWCaveman | |||
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Also where you are flying out of what air lines | |||
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If you have provided enough details, you will be in a better position to get straight answers. | |||
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Basic question, how much are you asking for the fourth person in terms of Fees for the trip. What is the fourth person's share? Larry "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading" -- Thomas Jefferson | |||
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Is the "package" you bought for 4 hunters the one the outfitter shows on his website for 10 days at $5750 per hunter? LTC, USA, RET Benefactor Life Member, NRA Member, SCI & DSC Proud son of Texas A&M, Class of 1969 "A man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?" Robert Browning | |||
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I think you bought a pig in a poke there. Looking at his website he is rather vague about the hunting area because he is one of those gypsy PHs that are all too common in SA. It's also very unusual to require that a hunter bring 3 friends in order to have exclusive use of the camp. If you bought 4 packages, you should be able to shoot all 4 of them yourself without having to share camp with some other hunter(s). The two photos on his site are also bogus. One looks like the delta in Botswana. One shows Grant's Gazelles which are only found in Tanzania and countries to the north. The hunting photos are more realistic but many of these are local hunters with "representative" trophies. The camp photos also don't show any hunters ... Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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Agree, plus his daily rates and trophy fees seem high for plains game. Also, he doesn't allow what by description can only be Barnes bullets--what's up with that? He lists some references and it would be somewhat helpful to see what they say--although I doubt most people cite references that would give a bad report. And we have to assume the references are legit. LTC, USA, RET Benefactor Life Member, NRA Member, SCI & DSC Proud son of Texas A&M, Class of 1969 "A man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?" Robert Browning | |||
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LarryS, I am not asking for any reimbursement for the basic package. There is only room for 1 more hunter. Anyone joining us will have the same expenses as everyone else: Air & Ground transportation, trophy fees, trophy import (dip & ship) & tips. This is all that I know of at this time. Nitro Express, No, I didn't see any package like this on his web site since it was a donation from the outfitter/PH to the Mule Deer Foundation and doesn't include any animals as the package you saw does. It covers the basic expenses, lodging (AB has two camps, one in the Northwest Province and the other on the border of the Mpumalonga/Limpopo provinces), Meals & Drinks (wine/beer) (liquor costs extra), hunting vehicle, trackers, skinners, laundry & field prep of trophies and PH. We saw several good reviews for AB Steyn and one negative you be the judge. Russ Gould.... looks like you've made up your mind and that is your prerogative... my wife scoured the internet for reviews and found several.... we decided the benefits outweigh the risk... DFWCaveman | |||
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Looks like he has been very successful at tracking those Kalahari cattle killing lions... | |||
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Nitro Express, I have AB's email and he is pretty quick to respond if I email him before 2P.M. (Central). We can ask him specifically about the Barnes bullets, but I don't think he was prohibiting "solids" or any bullet that retains its mass/mushrooms well and is not FMJ. I plan to use 30cal/180 grain Sako-Hammerheads or Nosler-Partition bullets and will make sure AB doesn't have a problem with them before I buy them. I did think the trophy fees seemed a little high, but I bounced them off of a friend that has been on 4 hunts in 4 different African countries he said he has seen a lot of variation in trophy fees and these didn't seem odd, unless you are comparing them to promotional packages on the internet. The reviews that we read, came from several sights including Facebook. My wife seems to have done a pretty good job finding what can be found... There is a lady in Burleson, TX that had a nice review and I think it was her college age daughter that drew a lot of criticism from a picture post on Facebook... DFWCaveman | |||
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100% correct. Hunted through his company when he had a partner in 2006 (Charl Watts).....first of now 4 and soon to be 5 southern Africa hunts. He never stays on the same property for long and leaves a wake of unpaid bills according to others I talked to after the fact. I wouldn't recommend him, I booked a hunt the next year just to do it right as I took the recommendation from a local taxidermist who was more interested in getting a free hunt by finding dolts like me at the time. And then I started doing my own research, so my mistake to book with him in the first place. Lesson learned. Have booked a major hunt every year since( and sometimes 2) and have had 100% positive experiences since then in both Africa and other places. Sorry if this irks some folks. I have an older post on African Hunting that echo's my same opinion several years ago. I wrote on this forum in 2012...... "they were a disorganized mess. They were leasing farms year to year, always changing location as they were late always paying the landowner bills." | |||
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These auction hunts are usually worthless, doubt you will find any takers on AR. | |||
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dinsdale: Thank you, and I appreciate your candid & honest remarks. I have spoken with people that have known AB Steyn for a long time, and they all tell of problems that his business and partners had eleven or so years ago. However, everyone of them that have hunted with him since the business dissolved have really enjoyed their hunts and spoken highly of him, his staff and facilities. Thank you.... DFWCaveman | |||
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Note to all: If you google the phone numbers in the references, you will see that they match up with real people and the names listed. Also, if you call some of them, you can get their impression of their hunt with AB Steyn (one of the phone numbers is missing a digit and doesn't check out). I have never met AB face-to-face so I'm not trying to "over-represent" him. As much as I appreciate everyone's critique of my decision making process, I can assure you, I have done my homework and made my decision. In using this message board I'm just trying to invite someone to go along with me and my family to RSA. We hope to have a good time and I'm sure we will learn some lessons along the way, but can bet that I'm not going to extend an invitation to anyone with a lousy attitude and acts like a jerk. I understand that everyone is entitled to an opinion and that includes me. So if someone wants to have an actual constructive conversation about my invitation I will be glad to provide an email and we can connect by phone from there.... Thank You DFWCaveman | |||
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I truely hope you and you friends have a great experience. Ive always been told on auction hunts, "Buyer Beware". I think the more communication you have with the PH and Outfitter the better off you'll be. Please go enjoy the trip and come back and tell us about it. | |||
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Thank You, WLW, I appreciate you advice and hope to have a good story to share in the future... DFWCaveman | |||
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These folks trying to help you have a BUNCH of experience, and nothing to gain by screwing you around. If the same folks who have advised you to be cautious advised me to be cautious, I would whoa plumb up. I hope you have a wonderful hunt. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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+1 http://forums.accuratereloadin...691075622#1691075622 The same animals price out at $9,750 at the auction hunt. $5,900 at Tholo and you will get dozens of A+ references for Tholo/Jason Bridger on AR. Mike | |||
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Go hunt, make a plan and have a wonderful time. Just the sun setting with a cold one in hand is worth the price of admission. Look forward to the photos and report. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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....and that's the truth!!! | |||
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 I just hope all goes well for him. | |||
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So if I'm understanding you correctly, the package is for daily rates and the other normal amenities; trophy fees, as published on the PH's website, are all the 4th hunter has to pay? You are not asking for 1/4 of the price you paid for the hunt? With 4 hunters, how many PHs will be in camp? Don't get me wrong, the hunt you purchased could be a real adventure--I bought my first safari, a RSA PG hunt, at a local SCI event, and it was a great experience--BUT, the PH also owned the property and had been in business for many years. I hope this all works out for you, as your first safari should always be the best. You can only go "the first time" once. BTW--I sent you a PM. LTC, USA, RET Benefactor Life Member, NRA Member, SCI & DSC Proud son of Texas A&M, Class of 1969 "A man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?" Robert Browning | |||
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Another piece of free advice: never go hunting with someone you don't know well. They may have a "lousy attitude"; they may be loud and obnoxious, or drink too much, or both; they may be bigots of the first order; they may use a lot of foul language in front of your wife or kids; or they may shoot you in camp by accident (don't laugh). Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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I bought the same hunt at SCI North Texas maybe 6 years ago. I never could complete a group. I ended up eating the purchase, but felt ok with the money hopefully going to conservation efforts. The trophy fees then seemed very high. A buddy of mine used to hunt with Abie a lot. PM me if interested. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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Keep in mind that if it all goes to hell you can always come on AR and find an outfitter in-between hunts to take your group for a few days of hunting. Might as well not waste the airfare once you're there. Always good to have a back-up plan.... | |||
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Jefffive: Thank you, I meant no disrespect to anyone that offered good constructive advice, and I am very grateful for their advice, including yours. This is my first experience with a discussion board and I guess I was taken aback by some of the responses received and the manner in which they responded. I was a Pharmacist manager for a fortune 50 company [Medco] for 26 years so I'm no stranger to critique or "heat". I am very grateful to the people that have responded here with helpful advice and more detailed recommendations & information received through PM. But for those that just chimed in to tell me how stupid they think I am, I couldn't hold back.. this forum would be better without the jackals nipping at your calves........ DFWCaveman | |||
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By the way, welcome to AR. My first two safaris were bought at auction. They went well. It is understood that you will hunt extra animals not included in the package, or add days. I think that was the deal with Abie and the high trophy fees. It can be a great hunt and enjoy as Mr. Baldry said. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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Enjoy your hunt!! | |||
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Amen to the jackal comments, most likely coming from those with no real world experience with auction hunts. My first African hunt was an RSA SCI donation 21 years ago. 7 day hunt included eland, kudu, impala, and warthog PLUS shoulder mounts of all 4 nimals, PLUS shipping charges back to the US for the mounts. I paid the princely sum of $3500. It was the next to the last auction item on the Sat. Night auction when most people had left or were too drunk to care. Over the next 10 years I bought another RSA plains game hunt, a buffalo/ plains game hunt in the Selous, a bear hunt in Montana, a croc/sable/suni hunt in Moz, and a leopard with dogs hunt in Bots. All went well and I have zero complaints. I have made it a point not to bid on a hunt if I couldn't talk to the outfitter prior to bidding( he had to be at the convention). Can you get burned- YES. Is it likely-not in my experience. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Wow! Very encouraging, "jdollar"... next January at the Dallas DSC convention, should I look you up near the end of the auction? Thank You DFWCaveman | |||
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My wife and I will be there. Over the years I have taken leopard, buffalo, own use elephant bull and croc on auction hunts with no complaints. Not to mention truckloads of plains game. Others experience may vary.... Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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If you let jackals distract you your hunt won't be all it can be  Auction hunts can be great deals or they can be extremely problematical, depending almost exclusively on the outfitter. Some outfitters cut their margins to the bone to generate good word-of-mouth (which today means internet), and will bust their asses to get you a great hunt. Some outfitters offer a really bare-bones hunt with LOTS of add-ons, and some charge a premium for the add-ons to make up for the shortage on daily rate. Some outfitters resent the hell out of being "expected" to donate a hunt, and may carry that resentment until the hunter leaves. Hopefully your experience will be positive. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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And exactly how are you supposed to never hunt with someone you don't know well? If you don't know them and haven't hunted with them? Which comes first- knowing them THEN hunting with them? That should work well.... As a booking agent, how can you recommend a hunt to a client when the client doesn't know the outfitter?  Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Everyone is best friends with their first PH, right? I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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I got $50 says Russ meant the other members of a party rather than the PH. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Actually, I am best friends with my first PH. I found out we have a lot in common. He is retired now, but we still hunt together, guided by his son. Who I met when he was about 10! | |||
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Welcome to AR Don't take any of the stuff personally, take it as lots of good opinions to prevent possible bad experience It can be tough out there and being prepared for worst case scenarios makes it a bit palatable if that happens Just go and kill shit, that's what is all about " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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