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Don't you just love all those ads you get whenever a new aircraft is announced that shows, bars, shops and all other kinds of shit but then they always pull this stunt!  I'd bet they'll also have to tighten up even more on excess baggage etc on this one because space is gonna be linited just because of the number of passengers. ..... and just think of those loooong waits for your bag to arrive on the carousel. Ah, the joys of air travel.  | |||
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Hope you don't have to rush for the exits (or visit a restroom)! Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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1st it was how many sardines you could fit in a can, 2nd it was how many college students could fit in a telephone booth, now its airburst | |||
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And you can bet SAA will be reconfiguring their planes to stuff in a couple hundred more people. No Thanks. ______________________ Age and Treachery Will Always Overcome Youth and Skill | |||
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What a cattle car! God forbid! Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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YEEEEEEEEECH!!!!! OMG!-- my bow is "pull-push feed" - how dreadfully embarrasing!!!!! | |||
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Exactly. I tell myself when I fly that my a** is not worth a $200 an hour seat, and that the plane ride is not THE trip, only the means to get to the destination. So, coach is how I fly. Now, if you double or triple the screaming babies, stinky feet, and rude and inconsiderate people in my immediate vicinity, I could see an upgrade being not so much a luxury, as a necessity. I cringe when I imagine a cattle car packed tight and stuck on the tarmac for 6 hours or more!!!!!!!! No thanks. | |||
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That is the way it is in the cattle car section of the aircraft, stack 'em, pack 'em and get them into the air. Oh, almost forgot and to charge them thru the nose, the more bucks the better. Good Hunting,  | |||
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Agreed. | |||
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I can't imagine sitting in this thing for the 15 hour Delta flight from Hotlanta to J'burg, but if that was the only option I could still figure out a way to survive. | |||
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Can you imagine the hullabaloo the first time one of those flying clunkers goes in? Trust me. One will. It's an Airbus. | |||
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If you think this is bad, wait until the "standing room seating" starts showing up:  for every hour in front of the computer you should have 3 hours outside | |||
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OMG -If they make the seats any smaller, they're going to have to have a "test seat" in the airport where, like your carry-on luggage, you can check to see if it fits. "It" in this case is you backside, shoulders and legs... I'm glad I'm going soon, because I might not go again if that comes to pass on all the airlines. Steve H NRA Benefactor Member "Most of my money I spent on reloading, hunting and shooting...the rest I just wasted." | |||
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Sue: I am constantly amazed how many men take their shoes off on a flight thinking their feet smell like roses. God, what is about guys who can't smell how bad their feet stink? Are they just used to it? My other favorite is watching some idiot go to the restroom on a plane in his stocking feet. Jeez, it is like standing in piss. | |||
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You will have to arrive at the airport 2 days before your flight. TSA cannot handle Southwest at LAX. The security lines stretch almost to the next terminal on a normal day. | |||
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...s-picture-taken.html No, this is the future!!  Hunting: Exercising dominion over creation at 2800 fps. | |||
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Ever hear of deep vein thrombosis? It can kill you. Experienced air travelers remove their shoes to improve circulation to the lower extremities during long flights to avoid blood clots, which may make their way to the lungs or heart. Sounds like you need to log a few million more miles to figure out what the real hazards of airline travel are. | |||
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Sorry. In my 15 years of medical practice I have NEVER heard shoes were the problem with causing DVT's. Remaining seated and not moving for more than 4-6 hours, on the other hand, is definitely a known risk factor. Technically, you are causing the returning blood flow to be obstructed at the level of the pelvic girdle by sitting, and the blood pools in the calves, where it clots. The shoes are a nonfactor here. If your shoes are so tight you stop your arterial blood circulation, maybe you need a new pair of shoes, but it has nothing to do with venous thromboembolism. In fact, one of the treatments for preventing DVT is tight stockings (compression stockings). Must be an old pilots tale, or else, just justification for what you want to do anyhow. So, take an aspirin before the flight, and get up and walk around every 4-6 hours. Leave the shoes on. | |||
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damn good( and accurate) advice. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… | |||
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must be an AR member( judging from the size of items i see advertised for sale in the classifieds here). Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… | |||
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My doctors have told me to take the shoes off. And, of course, get up and walk around every couple of hours and do your stretching exercises. In JAL business class, they offer a small ribbed dowel foot massager. Doesn't work with your shoes on. In BA and other business and first class compartments, they offer slippers for all. IIRC, that includes Singapore, Qantas, TAP and a few others I can't remember right now. Worked for me over 35 years of bouncing around the globe. An "old pilot's tale", eh? Well doc, I'm an old pilot, (and a bold pilot) and I never got clots, so I guess the proof is in the pudding. | |||
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My worst flight EVER was coach in a DC10 from Honolulu to San Francisco years ago. NW flight. I was in the middle of the dang row with Japanese businessmen on both sides of me. As soon as the No Smoking light was turned off, they kicked off their shoes and lit up the foulest smelling cigarettes. Quite the olfactory combination. Hunting: Exercising dominion over creation at 2800 fps. | |||
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Jetdrvr: I have over a million miles on United and 2.5 million on NWA. Toss in a few hundred thousand on other airlines, and that adds up to about 4 million miles. And that flying was done in a lot less than 35 years. Tomorrow I am flying to Vienna. I never take my shoes off, and I have never had a problem. But forget the long flights; I see guys taking their shoes off all time on domestic flights. The very worst are the jerks in first class who take their shoes off and then prop their feet on the bulkhead. I have resorted to just telling the offender their feet stink and to ask them to put their shoes on. BTW, flight attendants hate the stinky feet too. Just ask them. As the doctor said, you are justifying what you want to do anyway. | |||
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Then you might wish to bea this in mind! | |||
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Newsflash: I just arrived from another trip to and from Europe. I am happy to report I kept my shoes on the entire flight and did not die. Also noticed that I now have 5 million miles on United/Delta. How many more should I travel to learn the true dangers of air travel? | |||
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Do you have a life? I spent 35 years commuting worldwide, and flying a lot more miles in cockpit seats than you have total riding in the back, by far. Glad you didn't sit by me when I'd been awake for 30 hours, jumped 14 time zones and the dateline and told me to don my shoes. I would have told you to stuff it where the sun don't shine. Your FF mileage fails to impress professionals. Basically, you're self-loading cargo. Tell it to the tourists. Or get current in the command seat of a 747 and get back to me. | |||
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Jetdrvr: You are the one who told me I had to fly "a few million miles to learn the true dangers of air travel." Nice to know you have such disdain for your customers. But then again, maybe that is why the airline industry is in the pits - because of attitudes like yours. For what it is worth, I have flown with a lot of deadheading pilots and never once did I ever sit by one who took their shoes off. You are obviously the exception. No thanks about flying. I can't take the pay cut. Hell, then I might have to get my friends to pay for my hunts, know what I mean? | |||
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Mainly, I flew freight. Boxes don't bitch and don't lose their luggage. Or get snotty about their FF miles. I could care less how much money you make. Money doesn't impress me, but I realize that is how some people keep score. What people do with their money is what impresses me. I wouldn't trade my life experiences for any sum. I was never in it for the money. What I did was all about passion. I am very lucky and grateful to have lived the life I have lived. I have seen things you can't imagine. I lived my dream. Many can't say that.
And no, I don't know what you mean. (That remark qualifies as catty. Maybe you're a bitter ex girlfriend operating under a pseudonym?) I've had a friend pay for one of my hunts. I certainly made no secret of it. I made it very clear in the first paragraph of my hunt report that I was an invited guest. If he invites me again, I'll go again. He's my best friend and like a son to me. I'll take a bullet for the guy. How many people do you know who will do that for you? You do sound a bit jealous, which is one of the more destructive of human emotions. Maybe you should work on that. Counseling, perhaps? I am not impressed with your money, (and I would imagine few here are, particularly Saeed...  ), your bitchy attitude, and am completely unimpressed with your time riding on airplanes. I found that to be the most unpleasant part of my job and retired early because I was required to do it. You must love misery in large doses to subject yourself to what passes for cabin service these days. Bragging about 2.5 mil on Northworst is particularly edifying. Perhaps you are a flagellant? A 22 hour ride down to Africa in business is so singularly unpleasant that I almost declined the trip. I'd rather get a root canal than sit in one of those crap wagons for a day. But a Kitiangare buffalo hunt? It was worth the pain. How many of your stories can begin with the words, "There I was, flyin' along about a hunnerd feet off the trees..."? But...you're not a pilot. You wouldn't get it, anyway.  Kudos to Captain Peter Taber for The Thundering Herc, which says it all... And my final post on this topic. | |||
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You have a good day Jetdrvr. I simply pointed out that taking off shoes when you have a foot odor problem is offensive to many (if your feet don't stink, who cares?). You insist it is okay behavoir, justified by any number of reasons. I won't change your opinion. And again, you are the one who first pointed out I needed to "spend more time in the air." I was only responding to you, not bragging. What is there to brag about having flown a lot of miles? I am very familiar with a Hercules. First plane I parachuted out of. Spent many an hour in a web seat, which reminds me of something an E6 said when I offered him my first class seat and he turned it down: "Sir, after spending a year flying in web seats, even a middle seat in coach seems like first class to me." I do apologize for my comment about "can't take the pay cut." I should have said, "Let's face it, that isn't going to happen, for lots of reasons." Why did I allow myself to get dragged down the gutter? Good question... You have a nice Christmas. | |||
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I think being able to get on a Steamship in NYC and just take a nice relaxing rest on the way to and the way back from Africa is the way to go. No worries about were you luggage is, its in your room. Plenty of space to just walk a bit and eat real food. The jet age killed the Steamship travel and Freddy Laker killed the joy of flying unless you are sitting in the left seat. | |||
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That's no fun anymore with computers doing everything including wiping the windshields. | |||
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