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Anyone see that David Tubb is building new 700 bolts with a 338 Lapua bolt face. They assure me there is enough steel in the "3 rings of steel" to take the pressure. Any thoughts? | ||
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Remington built a few on the 700 action, but I think they stopped. I don't think there's enough meat there personally. A bit of work to get it to feed also. Stiller makes an action for the 338 Lapua thats just a bit bigger than the 1.350 diameter of the Remington and has a .750 or maybe .800 bolt diameter. I'd feel a little better with something like that. "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". | |||
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The Tubbs bolts are almost $400, if you add that to the Remington action $350 what I paid Shilen trigger $100 Barrel job Hart $750 Cerrakote $300 AI stock $800 It ends up being darn near a Sako TRG. | |||
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And I'd feel a lot better about putting the Sako in front of my face and pulling the trigger. I'd save the Remington for another build, maybe a good varmint rifle or something. "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". | |||
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Dave Kiff makes the bolts, but I wouldn't do it on a 700. I would on a Stiller receiver, but I have absolutely no use for that type of rifle. Butch | |||
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Not that it seems to matter here, but the .338 Lapua will flat out beat you to death, and burns out barrels very quickly. God sniping. Not a hunting round, IMO. Your dime though, of course. | |||
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I have the Armalite AR-30 in .338 Lapua; very accurate, and there is no recoil. Of course it weighs 12 pounds and has a brake like a T54 tank. | |||
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We find that the Lapua works very well in a heavy rifle. In the family we are on the 3rd 338 Lapua TRG-S. But the damn things are hard to find. A TRG-42 would be wonderful, but finding one used is very hard, and spending $3500 for one isn't something I can do right now. I talked to Dan Lilja and Jack Sutton at Hart and was told by both of them it wasn't worth the drama. So plan B is to buy a proper Lapua action later on. | |||
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There are a number of top "smiths" that can and do build 338 Lapuas on the Rem 700 Action. Mine was built by Shawn Carlock at Defensize Edge. I wanted to load the 300 SMK to a COAL lenght of 3.9" and it is much easier to do this on a Rem 700 action than on a custom action.  And it shoots great too  _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Im drooling right now over that 338...Maybe I should just transform my Rem. 700 Sendero into a 338 Lapua. | |||
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How do you figure that jwp? Butch | |||
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This combination is becoming known for setting back the bolt lugs into the receiver. | |||
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why not build a 338 RUM. it has a maximum case capacity (111 grs water) as .338 Lapua ( 108 grs ) and can easily be built on a Remington 700 magnum action  Be aware of the man with only "one" riffel | |||
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Because of the bolt stop. The bolt stop on the custom actions such as the Lawton and Surgen is machined into the body and must be machined away and then welded in a new location. The Rem 700's bolt stop is part of the trigger group and it is a simple matter to remove and grind a bit away and replace. Something that even I can do _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Run the pressure high enough over a long enough time period and any of them will set the lugs back. Useing 338 Lapua breass makes this easier to do, because the brass made by Lapua is 4000 BAR straonger than it has to be for the CIP pressure rating of 67,000 PSI _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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What is wrong with a Stiller TAC 338. It is especially designed for the 338 Lapua. Butch | |||
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I'm not saying that anything is wrong with any of the custom actions and I am not familliar with the Stiller TAC 338 action. I did talk to Mr. Lawton and Mr. Surgen as well as the Smith that did the, about this before I decided to go with the 700 action _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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If you build another, you may want to check it out. Butch | |||
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hi again a remington 700 action er is just fine..... I have built this remington 700 cal 300RUM .....I knove it`s 338`s littel brother tihi  http://shopahlarsen.dk/product.asp?product=989 Be aware of the man with only "one" riffel | |||
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Email Jim Borden and ask him what he thinks of the idea of a Remington M 700 action chambered in .338 Lapua.... And a remington 700 cal 300RUM is not the same thing at all really -check the base diameter of the cases. Glenn | |||
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I've seen Surgeon actions with Seekins 3.9" magazines and that would be my preference. Well, after an AWSM or an SRS. | |||
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I know that they are not equal...... .338 Lapua can contain 108 grs water .338 RUM can contain 111 grs water ( and it fits in a Rem 700 Magnum action)  Be aware of the man with only "one" riffel | |||
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Blow the Lap case to AI if you need to go faster. You aren't stuck with Remington brass. | |||
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I had a Lazzeroni 8.59 Galaxy built on a Rem 700 which has a case head of .580. The Lapua is just slightly bigger at .588 and I can tell you there is just barely enough meat to handle the .580 case head. Mike  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Is the Lapua brass really that thick? It actually has less capacity than a RUM? With the Lapua having such a large base diameter and only a tad shorter than the RUM I would have thought its capacity much greater. | |||
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I have had 2 people in the last month want me to build .338 Lapua rifles. I kind of swayed them to the .338 Remington Ultra mag. My reasons are: Action availability Action price Stocks, ad-ons, rings and mounts,( price and quality available ) Less mods to the action Brass price and availibility And------- If you do the Ballistic math and overall workings, there is not a heck of a lot of difference. Speed is a wash. Most people get the "Jones" for the Lapua because it is hyped in magazines or they hear that the military uses it, or some sniper shot in the sand box or the rock heap! Just my take on the deal. Mark | |||
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Seems to me like the 338 Lapua has been replaced by the 338 RUM. The 338 Lapua and 338 RUM are really so close in comparison it can only be measured by MM's. and the ease of converting a Remintong Mag. action ino the 338 RUM makes the choice a simple one... It woudl be like paying twice as much to say you have a Lapua, rahter than having a Ultra Mag. Why pay all that money to have a 338 Lapua, when you can have a 338 RUM that performs similar and has more kenetic potential in the long shot. | |||
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If you want slightly more, the 338Edge is the way to go. It's the 338 built on the 300 Ultra magnum case, the big advantage is the standard magnum bolt face regards S&F | |||
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Woodleigh, yes, Lapua brass is that thick. It's common for lapua brass the be thick when compared to competators others in any caliber. In addition, during the early design stages of the .338 Lapua they had troubles with case head seperations, this resulted in a heavier brass. | |||
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Saw a 40X ti in .338 the other day. Factory Remington. No, you can't buy one. No, I would not shoot one. | |||
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I'd also go with the "skinny" RUM case in the Rem 700. It seems like if you're looking at a 338 Lapua in the first place, you're not planning on running light loads. I've always wondered where Lazzeroni got their case dimensions. Did they base all their rounds on the Lapua? | |||
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bullocks .. 338 lapua aint that much overbore.. better than s 338/378 ... no, it won't burn out barrels "VERY" quickly, and its a hll of a hunting round.. but i'd buy a savage 338 lapua before a rem #dumptrump opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I have a 338 Edge built on a 700 LA, 9.5lbs all up without bipod, 30" tube. It is insanely accurate with H1000 & 300 SMK @ 2850, it has about the same performance as the Lapua.I also have a factory Rem 700P in 338 Lapua, these have the Badger 5 shot mag btm metal & a 24" barrel which is far too short but I bought it to re barrell it in 338 Lapua Improved. It shoots the 300 SMK well @ 2700 with 1 grain less powder than my Edge. The new 34" barrel is @ my smiths so hopefully I can start pushing the SMKs to 3000ish soon  The Edge is mainly a hunting rifle & the Lapua will be another long range steel ringer.  Over kill is under rated | |||
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