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02 April 2014, 18:02
DoublegunShow me your butt!
In the process of having a custom 7x57 built off a Chili Mauser action. Plan is for a classic american build: dark walnut stock with great figuring (in the right places), QR bases, ramped rear sight, barrel band, ebony for end tip, etc. The one detail that I am not really settled on is the butt treatment. Steel wouldn't' be inappropriate but I don't want to have to worry about setting it down. I don't like the way a black pad looks and for this type of rifle I don't really think a thick red pad would be appropriate, but possibly a thin one.
Hoping that you will share pictures of butt treatments on similar rifles.
Thanks,
JDG
02 April 2014, 22:52
Glen71quote:
Originally posted by Doublegun:
In the process of having a custom 7x57 built off a Chili Mauser action. JDG
Uh, would that be a Chile(an) Mauser or a Chilly Mauser?
02 April 2014, 23:35
DoublegunChilean.
02 April 2014, 23:38
Dall85...or maybe chili Mauser?
Jim
03 April 2014, 00:39
boom stickWalter warned nudity will be cause for being banned
How about a linen micarta butt with possibly matching color rubber pad spacer?
I like the skeletonized metal butt plate with exposed end grain that you can put a leather cover on with ammo holder.
03 April 2014, 01:20
butchlocnotice - any photos obtained by sneaking up behind walter will be disqualified
03 April 2014, 02:25
pagosawingnutSince I didn't get to pick on anyone yesterday, you know someone was gonna do it so I might as well be the one.
just joking
03 April 2014, 04:34
DoublegunHey, I set myself up for abuse when I posed the question the way I did. We all could use a chuckle or two and I am happy to oblige. I am looking forward to seeing your rifle butts though.
Cheers,
JDG
03 April 2014, 05:22
pagosawingnutI'm sorry, I couldn't resist. Please forgive me.
05 April 2014, 19:20
DoublegunAll joking aside, I would really like to see some options for finishing off the stock of the 7x57 I am having built.
Thanks,
JDG
05 April 2014, 20:30
pagosawingnutI wish I had some to show but I don't. The only rifle or shotgun I have that doesn't have a recoil pad installed is the Chapuis in 9.3 x 74R with it's factory wooden butt plate.
If it is to be a serious hunter then a rubber pad is the way to go. Just use a .5 inch old english pad, (not really a recoil pad, which you don't need for a 7mm) no white line, and I usually use brown. Although some like black. And red is traditional but I don't like red.
05 April 2014, 22:50
DoublegunThat's pretty much what I am thinking (except I like red). Take a Silvers type pad, cut it to 1/2" (or thinner).
I always take care of my gear but I don't want to worry too much about where I set the butt.
06 April 2014, 00:00
zimbabweMy 7x57 custom has a Neidner Steel checkered plate with widows peak. Carried it all over Zimbabwe with no problem setting it down anywhere. You can't beat the looks on a trim light recoiling rifle. You can't beat how they slide up to the shoulder either. Absolutely no thin rubber pads for me, period.
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06 April 2014, 04:27
Wayne ElmerCheckered steel is nice, tolerable on a 7x57, and durable too!
Custom M70 LH in 7x57
No doubt checkered steel is nice but I am always afraid of setting it down on a rock. With rubber, I don't care and I think the OP is of that mindset. That is one thing about Chapuis doubles that sort of irks me; those butt plates are checkered wood. Of course, we all baby our rifles in the field. (I do) Not like the old time hunters to whom a rifle was just another tool.
How about a rubber cover for the checkered steel one?
06 April 2014, 05:25
DoublegunWayne, that's a great looking steel buttplate. I do take care of my gear and my fear of a checkered butt like that is one slip or unseen rock and the checkering is damaged. A couple of "battle scars" is fine but how hard would it be to really do some damage?
06 April 2014, 06:08
Wayne ElmerDoublegun,
It's steel - it's not that fragile
The rifle in the pic has been hunted regularly for more than 10 years. It is not a safe queen. I've actually had more trouble with rubber pads than this steel one. A hundred years from now the steel buttplate will look the same.
My only knock on rifles with steel buttplates is you can't lean 'em in the corner on a hardwood floor.
Worst case - if it got dinged a guy who knows what he's doing with a file could probably touch up the checkering.
Best,
Wayne E.
06 April 2014, 06:13
DoublegunThanks Wayne. What you say makes good sense.
If I went rubber this is what I would do:
06 April 2014, 06:19
Wayne ElmerThat would be my other choice as well!
06 April 2014, 14:31
BoxheadWhat my BRNO 602 375 H&H came with when I nbought it used a couple of years ago.
What it looks like today.
06 April 2014, 20:57
zimbabweI suppose I am just extra careful in the field. I actually LOOK where and how I set a rifle down. In over 60 years I can only remember once scratching a stock on a barb wire fence. I NEVER once put my rifle in a rack while on safari. I do remember standing it against a tree several times. Most of the time it is in my hot little hands - period. When in camp it is in the hard case.
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07 April 2014, 00:03
DoublegunBoxhead; very nice job with your Bruno. It looks much better now than it did turn. I like the heavy red pad on a heavy rifle.
07 April 2014, 00:42
butchlambertOne of my 458 Lotts. Don't know how to turn the photo. Kobe!!!!
07 April 2014, 18:04
Jim KobeLeather covered, or?
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07 April 2014, 18:35
DoublegunSkeleton steel bp's are the epitome of elegance. That one is particularly well done.
07 April 2014, 22:17
Evan K.quote:
Originally posted by Wayne Elmer:
Checkered steel is nice, tolerable on a 7x57, and durable too!
Custom M70 LH in 7x57
Gorgeous stock Wayne, who made that buttplate?
I like the original Winchester 70 steel buttplates, second alternative to a checkered steel buttplate for me would be a trim rubber pad (color depending on the stock).
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08 April 2014, 01:14
Austin HunterRecheckered buffalo horn buttplate on a 9.3x57 guild rifle.
Biesen Buttplate on a 8x57 Mannlicher
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08 April 2014, 01:38
butchlambertI must have over tightened one of the screws.
08 April 2014, 05:25
richjNon-pancake w/shadow line.
08 April 2014, 06:31
Savage_99Doublegun,
I have had rifles with hard metal plates and others with soft thick pads and thin pads.
I never liked a hard metal plate on a rifle that might kick. What is discomfort or kick matters to you and not to us. Can you take the kick of a metal plate on that rifle?
Keep in mind you can slip on a pad at the range where I do most of my shooting. In the field you might we wearing a thick enough coat or maybe it's warm there and you will be in shirt sleeves.
I hear you on setting a hard plate down where it might mar, make a noise or slip.
I have old M70's that came with hard plates. While I don't prefer them thats the way it is on them.
Recently I got a nice 7mm mag. with a well done walnut stock. It came with a steel plate. I put a Pachmayr slip-on pad on it at the range. When I hunt with it I may not use the pad and take the kick.
If I was having a walnut stock done I would go with a solid red rubber pad with a black base, no white line.
Here is a well done walnut stock on a 30-06 Mauser. I like this rifle a lot and have shot it well in the field in the summer on varmints as well in the cold weather with a coat. The recoil of its hard rubber plate does not bother me. I am just normal on recoil and recoil 'pinch' from a hard metal plate, ie: I don't like it.
Thinking about it if I had to make that favorite over I would have the same thin hard rubber pad put on. The wood looks so good you don't look at the pad.
Get the 'power' or optic that your eye likes instead of what someone else says.
When we go to the doctor they ask us what lens we like!
Do that with your optics.
08 April 2014, 06:41
Savage_99Here is the new Pachmayer Decelerator slip on pad. It works, fits and looks good to me.
I have many of the older slip on pads as well and they work too but this one is better made.
Get the 'power' or optic that your eye likes instead of what someone else says.
When we go to the doctor they ask us what lens we like!
Do that with your optics.
08 April 2014, 06:44
Savage_99Here is the new to me custom 7mm mag. with the steel plate. While it looks cool in the picture I slip on that Pachmayr at the range.
Get the 'power' or optic that your eye likes instead of what someone else says.
When we go to the doctor they ask us what lens we like!
Do that with your optics.
08 April 2014, 07:08
Doublegunquote:
Originally posted by Savage_99:
Doublegun,
I have had rifles with hard metal plates and others with soft thick pads and thin pads.
I never liked a hard metal plate on a rifle that might kick. What is discomfort or kick matters to you and not to us. Can you take the kick of a metal plate on that rifle?
Keep in mind you can slip on a pad at the range where I do most of my shooting. In the field you might we wearing a thick enough coat or maybe it's warm there and you will be in shirt sleeves.
I hear you on setting a hard plate down where it might mar, make a noise or slip.
I have old M70's that came with hard plates. While I don't prefer them thats the way it is on them.
Recently I got a nice 7mm mag. with a well done walnut stock. It came with a steel plate. I put a Pachmayr slip-on pad on it at the range. When I hunt with it I may not use the pad and take the kick.
If I was having a walnut stock done I would go with a solid red rubber pad with a black base, no white line.
Here is a well done walnut stock on a 30-06 Mauser. I like this rifle a lot and have shot it well in the field in the summer on varmints as well in the cold weather with a coat. The recoil of its hard rubber plate does not bother me. I am just normal on recoil and recoil 'pinch' from a hard metal plate, ie: I don't like it.
Thinking about it if I had to make that favorite over I would have the same thin hard rubber pad put on. The wood looks so good you don't look at the pad.
That's exactly the pad I have been thinking about as an alternative to a metal plate (and that is a great stick of wood).
Not terribly worried about the recoil from a 7x57. It's a sharp crack but not too bad. At the range I usually shoot off a "Lead Sled" especially when I am trying to get dialed in tight.
I should mention that I currently shoot a short Griffin & Howe 7x57 with a metal plate and I am comfortable with the recoil but I am VERY careful how and where I lean the rifle.
08 April 2014, 07:25
Savage_99I don't know how old that pad is. It's marked: Old English Pachmayr White Line Made in USA.
Get the 'power' or optic that your eye likes instead of what someone else says.
When we go to the doctor they ask us what lens we like!
Do that with your optics.
08 April 2014, 12:34
BoxheadRoger Green built Grisel actioned 280 Rem. The allen wrench unlocks the QD rings.
10 April 2014, 07:53
DoublegunWhat are the differences between a Biesen checkered buttplate and a Neidner checkered buttplate (other than $30).
Thanks,
JDG
10 April 2014, 20:28
custombolt1936 Mexican 7X57 with a .80" old English in brown.
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13 April 2014, 00:12
Wayne Elmerquote:
Originally posted by Evan K.:
quote:
Originally posted by Wayne Elmer:
Checkered steel is nice, tolerable on a 7x57, and durable too!
Custom M70 LH in 7x57
Gorgeous stock Wayne, who made that buttplate?
I like the original Winchester 70 steel buttplates, second alternative to a checkered steel buttplate for me would be a trim rubber pad (color depending on the stock).
Evan, sorry for the slow reply. The buttplate is a Niedner style, but I'm not sure who the maker is (Sunny Hill vs. Miles Gilbert vs other).
Regards,
Wayne E.
14 April 2014, 23:54
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