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Originally posted by buzz4me2:
United Airlines announced this week immediate COVID testing with results prior to boarding the plane. They are going to use this to get people to Hawaii and when they land passengers will not need to quarantine for 14 days. Costs are $250 for the test and paid for by the passenger. If this is successful why wouldn’t Canada open up the boarder besides just stubbornness?

I don't think it's just Canadians getting tired of this shit.

https://globalnews.ca/news/735...atigue-pyschologist/

Grizz

And saga continues and politicians are slowly but surely becoming public enemy number one
That is how I see it because this turned me against politicians more than just about anything else

As expected the government announced today that the US/Canada border will remain closed until at least November 21.

well, they wrecked all the other seasons. Why not wreck deer season as well.

The outdoor recreation economy in Western Canada is being destroyed. Some of the B.C. businesses are OK due to their proximity to Vancouver but the rest not so much.

Absolutely true, but even near Vancouver it is primarily relying on Canadian residents to provide some business. That is not enough...and with the resurgence of Covid case numbers that we are seeing in the US and Canada it is going to cause more people to shut down again and local provincial governments are likely to shut down certain venues again.

The negative affect on wilderness tourism, as in outfitters providing hunting and fishing opportunities, is horrendous. Sadly, this is global, not just in Western Canada. Any country that has a huge wilderness tourism industry is suffering badly and many operators are going to go down the tubes. The shut downs of these businesses will have many long term problems that the survivors will have to deal with.

Alberta is going to open up with a quick test program at Coutts border crossing and Calgary airport. Alberta pilot project

“ Today we announced a new pilot program that provides a safe alternative to the current 14-day quarantine requirement for returning international travellers. Beginning on Nov. 2, COVID-19 testing will be offered initially at two ports of entry into Canada: the Coutts land border crossing and the Calgary International Airport in Alberta. Travellers who participate will receive a COVID-19 test upon entry into Canada before proceeding into the required quarantine. Once the test comes back negative, they will then be allowed to leave their place of quarantine so long as they commit to getting a second test on day six or seven after arrival, at a community pharmacy participating in the pilot program. Participants will be closely monitored through daily symptoms checks. They will also be required to follow enhanced preventive health measures, such as wearing masks in public places and avoiding visiting high-risk groups.”

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Alberta is going to open up with a quick test program at Coutts border crossing and Calgary airport. Alberta pilot project

“ Today we announced a new pilot program that provides a safe alternative to the current 14-day quarantine requirement for returning international travellers. Beginning on Nov. 2, COVID-19 testing will be offered initially at two ports of entry into Canada: the Coutts land border crossing and the Calgary International Airport in Alberta. Travellers who participate will receive a COVID-19 test upon entry into Canada before proceeding into the required quarantine. Once the test comes back negative, they will then be allowed to leave their place of quarantine so long as they commit to getting a second test on day six or seven after arrival, at a community pharmacy participating in the pilot program. Participants will be closely monitored through daily symptoms checks. They will also be required to follow enhanced preventive health measures, such as wearing masks in public places and avoiding visiting high-risk groups.”

unfortunately this is for Canadians, permanent residents and Foreign national that reside in Canada that have been travelling outside the country.
. It is a small step in the right direction but don't see Trudeau opening up borders until late spring.

Sorry to say, I wouldn't expect the Canadian border to open until Trump is gone and the USA gets more control over the spread of the virus. I think that there were 76,000 new cases of Covid 19 in the USA yesterday.

I'm afraid you are quite correct sir. We have done a pretty pathetic job of it so far and for no good reason.

Cougars, Canada, is getting "spikes' in cases now. Brian

Brian,
Yes I saw that. Lots of European countries also spiking. Hopefully with doing the right thing for all concerned we all can work our way through this.

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Brian,
Yes I saw that. Lots of European countries also spiking. Hopefully with doing the right thing for all concerned we all can work our way through this.

Cougarz...yes sir, parts of the EU are shutting down again. Canada is spiking. Many areas in the US are out of control. With this just being the start of what they call the "flu season" that so many medical types were worried about, it is hard to say what is going to happen over the next few months. One thing is for sure, it makes it hard to plan any hunts when you do not know which door is going to close on you in the near future. What a mess.

I guess Canada won't be opening up until Trudeau is gone and y'all can get a handle on this


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What is the status now ?

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Originally posted by mboga biga bwana:
What is the status now ?

If you're a politician or government big wig, No Problem.

Grizz

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Originally posted by Grizzly Adams1:

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Originally posted by mboga biga bwana:
What is the status now ?

If you're a politician or government big wig, No Problem.

Grizz

Unfortunately Not

mbb.....as of today, here is a link to Govt of Canada website with the new travel restrictions. Canada/US border remains closed except for essential travel in both directions, plus the new restrictions.

https://www.canada.ca/en/trans...national-travel.html

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Originally posted by Skyline:
mbb.....as of today, here is a link to Govt of Canada website with the new travel restrictions. Canada/US border remains closed except for essential travel in both directions, plus the new restrictions.

https://www.canada.ca/en/trans...national-travel.html

Thanks Skyline

Perhaps now the border closing has evolved into a pissing contest over the cancellation of the Keystone XL Pipeline. With testing there is no other reason. The border could be safely opened tomorrow. Biden has screwed over Montana and the Dakotas while Trudeau has managed to screw over all of Canada, particularly the Provinces with heavy tourist trade. Alaska's cruise ship industry is likely gone for 2021 due to Trudeau's policy. Most of those ships route through Vancouver. I know several "essential" folks who come and go at will.

Canada just wants to have less Covid not more covid.

Gee Crying Brian...really?

Brian- Perhaps you can enlighten us on what the policy is for those termed "essential". From what I know (and stand to be corrected if needed) these folks are going back and forth at will, without testing. Aren't most of the Covid cases in Canada found in Montreal and Toronto? Thinking I have read less than 1% traced to border.

Crane, I don't know much about what they mean by "essential". I will google it.

Yes, Eastern Canada has it the worst but we are getting more in BC and the west. I live in a little city in south central BC and we are pretty locked down. Schools are still open.

Your 1% figure might be right. I don't know. I will get back to you.

I should add that I don't think that Trudeau has "screwed over Canada". I am very grateful for the way that the federal government has handled this.
In BC, our chief medical officer, Dr Bonnie Henry has done an excellent job. We still have too many idiots that don't follow the simple guidelines.

In light of the way the USA has handled Covid 19, I hope our southern border stays locked tighter than a drum.

Here are the rules for traveling to and from Canada via USA.
https://travel.gc.ca/travel-co...content=488204120381

Government of Canada expands restrictions to international travel by land and air
From: Public Health Agency of Canada

News release
February 12, 2021 | Ottawa, ON | Government of Canada

Canada has some of the strictest travel and border measures in the world, including a mandatory 14-day quarantine for everyone returning to the country. With new COVID-19 variant detections increasing in the country, the Government of Canada is announcing today further testing and quarantine requirements for international travellers arriving to Canada’s air and land ports of entry. These new measures will help prevent variants of concern from reaccelerating the pandemic and making it more difficult to contain.

For travellers arriving to Canada by land, as of February 15, 2021, all travellers, with some exceptions, will be required to provide proof of a negative COVID-19 molecular test result taken in the United States within 72 hours of pre-arrival, or a positive test taken 14 to 90 days prior to arrival. In addition, as of February 22, 2021, travellers entering Canada at the land border will be required to take a COVID-19 molecular test on arrival as well as toward the end of their 14-day quarantine.

All travellers arriving to Canada by air, as of February 22, 2021, with some exceptions, will be required to take a COVID-19 molecular test when they arrive in Canada before exiting the airport, and another toward the end of their 14-day quarantine period. With limited exceptions, air travellers, will also be required to reserve, prior to departure to Canada, a 3-night stay in a government-authorized hotel. Travellers will be able to book their government-authorized stay starting February 18, 2021. These new measures are in addition to existing mandatory pre-boarding and health requirements for air travellers.

Finally, at the same time on February 22, 2021, all travellers, whether arriving by land or air will be required to submit their travel and contact information, including a suitable quarantine plan, electronically via ArriveCAN before crossing the border or boarding a flight.

The Government of Canada continues to strongly advise Canadians to cancel or postpone any non-essential travel, including vacation plans, outside Canada. Foreign nationals should likewise postpone or cancel travel plans to Canada. Now is not the time to travel.

Quotes
“I want to thank Canadians who continue to make sacrifices to protect each other from COVID-19. We continue to detect variants of concerns, and this is why we are putting these additional measures in place. Now is not the time to travel, so please cancel any plans you might have."

The Honourable Patty Hajdu
Minister of Health
“With these additional COVID testing requirements and safety measures at the land border we are taking extra steps to help prevent the spread of COVID-19 and its variants. As we do for air travel, we are now also requiring travellers by land to provide information using ArriveCAN to facilitate processing and limit points of contacts between border services officers and travellers. We’ll always prioritize the health and safety of Canadians as we make decisions.”

The Honourable Bill Blair
Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
“We’re moving forward with these critical measures to help prevent the spread of COVID-19 and the introduction of new variants of the virus into Canada. At the same time, we recognize the importance of the continued movement of goods and the ongoing delivery of essential services in Canada. Our government’s response to this pandemic includes necessary measures to protect the health and safety of Canadians while keeping our economy going.”

The Honourable Omar Alghabra
Minister of Transport
Quick facts
Canadians citizens, persons registered under the Indian Act and permanent residents arriving by land to Canada, who do not present a valid COVID-19 molecular test, will be allowed entry, but may be subject to a fine of up to $3,000 per day or face criminal prosecution. Travellers may also be required to go to a designated quarantine facility if they are symptomatic on arrival at the border, or do not have a suitable quarantine plan.

Foreign nationals who have obtained an exemption to enter Canada, will be refused entry, with limited exceptions, if they do not have a valid COVID-19 molecular test result.

Failure to provide accurate information is an offence under the Quarantine Act. In addition, violating any quarantine or isolation instructions provided to travellers by a screening officer or quarantine officer when entering Canada is an offence under the Quarantine Act and could lead to serious penalties, including 6 months in prison and/or $750,000 in fines.

Exemptions continue to be in place to ensure that economic supply chains continue between Canada and the U.S. The Government of Canada is closely engaging the Biden Administration on our respective border measures and we continue to keep the lines of communication open.

Associated links
Infographic for travellers arriving by air
Infographic for travellers arriving by land
Backgrounder - Additional testing and more stringent quarantine requirements for travel to Canada
COVID-19: Travel, quarantine and borders
COVID-19 measures, updates, and guidance issued by Transport Canada
ArriveCAN
Group Exemption from Quarantine under 6(e) of the Order
Contacts
Media Relations
Public Health Agency of Canada
613-957-2983
hc.media.sc@canada.ca

This is a better/shorter page.

Canada refines definition of “essential travel” during coronavirus
Even foreigners who are exempt from coronavirus travel restrictions have to demonstrate they are coming to Canada for an essential reason
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Published on May 1st, 2020 at 03:00am EDT
Updated on May 19th, 2020 at 11:12am EDT
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With travel restrictions still in place, Canada has clarified what types of trips are considered “essential” in order to gauge which travellers should be let into the country.

Foreigners who are exempt from Canada’s coronavirus travel restrictions, such as temporary foreign workers, immediate family members of Canadians, and certain international students, must demonstrate the purpose of their trip is for an essential reason. In the government’s words, the reason must be “non-optional” or “non-discretionary.”

Meanwhile, the mandatory quarantine period for new arrivals and the restriction on travel for sick individuals are still at play. With few exceptions, everyone who enters Canada from abroad must undergo 14 days of self-isolation. Furthermore, they must demonstrate that they have an adequate quarantine plan.

Find out if you are eligible for any Canadian immigration programs

At the end of the day, it is up to the officer to assess whether or not the reason for the trip is permissible for entry to Canada.


Some of the travel purposes that are considered essential may be:

economic services and supply chains;
providing service that is essential to the health, safety, security, or economic well-being of Canadians and the government, in other words, “critical infrastructure support;”
health (immediate medical care), safety and security;
supporting Indigenous communities;
transiting through Canada for essential purposes;
studying in Canada if approved before March 18, 2020, Canada is still accepting applications for international students and will advise them when travel opens to them;
tending to sick family members who have no one else to help them in Canada; or
any other activities that are deemed “non-optional” or “non-discretionary” by the Canadian government.
The government defines “optional” or “discretionary” travel as coming to Canada for the purposes of tourism, recreation, and entertainment among others. Some examples of trips that the government does not consider essential include:

visiting family for a vacation;
coming to Canada for the birth of a new family member, although they may make an exception for the baby’s parent;
visiting a secondary home even for the purposes of upkeep and maintenance; or
attending the funeral of a family member, as quarantine measures in Canada already limit the number of attendees allowed at funerals under provincial restrictions.
What about family reunification?
Family ties will not automatically qualify as essential travel. Travelling family members of Canadian citizens and permanent residents must prove that they are travelling for an essential reason such as:

taking up full-time residence in Canada, which includes prospective permanent residents as well as temporary residents who are coming to Canada to live with immediate family members;
caring for sick family members or family members who are otherwise unable to care for themselves when no other arrangements can be made, the 14-day quarantine for travellers will still factor into whether the travel is considered discretionary; or
shared custody agreement across borders, as this would be in compliance with a court order.
This is not an exhaustive list. Foreigners are also allowed to spend the pandemic period with their immediate Canadian family members to help ensure each other’s health, safety, and well-being. This allows families to be together during this difficult time, the government webpage says.

This covers it all. Brian

https://www.google.com/search?...EAY&biw=1107&bih=590

Basically, I would say don't come to Canada unless you have to.

My wife and I would love to hang out in Texas or Florida for a couple of weeks. It's cold enough to freeze the nuts of a jeep up here. But, we won't even go out for dinner in Kamloops. I want to live and let live!

The folks I am acquainted with are falling under "economic services and supply chains". I would not consider any of them "essential" to anything, yet they come and go with no testing requirements.
In the process of cancelling yet another trip north. This will the third, scheduled for July. Don't see how you can survive in tourism after year two of this. So sad.
 

Yes it is sad. Brian

Besides when we in US will have herd immunity, you guys up North will be still scared shitless of this Chink shit
In US, cases started dropping, which means maybe we are accomplishing that
Countries with strictest of rules, they still got it coming

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Originally posted by Brian Canada:
Basically, I would say don't come to Canada unless you have to.

My wife and I would love to hang out in Texas or Florida for a couple of weeks. It's cold enough to freeze the nuts of a jeep up here. But, we won't even go out for dinner in Kamloops. I want to live and let live!

I've heard a couple of scare stories of snow birds getting the virus and being stuck with horrendous medical bills their insurance wouldn't cover.

Grizz

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I've heard a couple of scare stories of snow birds getting the virus and being stuck with horrendous medical bills their insurance wouldn't cover.

I am in Yuma now the number of people around for the winter is easily down by 50%.

We normally get lots of Canadians here.

If this restrictions last through this summer I wonder how many resorts and outfitters will go under.

Feel sorry for countries with strict lockdowns as you cannot lock this virus away and sooner or later it ( virus ) will come back to haunt you

What I find most interesting is the reference to testing or proof of past infection needed to cross the border. What about proof of immunization?

Seems the whole world has lost the ability to apply critical thinking.

Unless you want to jump on an airplane or spend ridiculous money on the Alaska Marine Highway we Alaskans are now living on an island.

Cheers
Jim

Jim- The Governor and your Congressional folks need to jump on that arcane law making the cruise ships stop in Canada yesterday. If something is not done on this in the next month 2021 is lost. Glitter Gulch might dry up and blow away. Canada is committing economic suicide. No need for Alaska to suffer another disastrous year.

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Originally posted by Skyline:
If it was something legit and considered "essential travel" then arrangements would have been made in advance between US and Canadian agencies to facilitate the crossing. But then I fully expect that the vast majority of Americans do not even know the border is closed, I know most of my old hunters thatI talk to didn't. As they have said, the US news/media doesn't really report much on what is going on in Canada as most people down there don't give a shit.

Lots of Alaskans with jobs outside with documented proof are told it is up to the Border patrol to allow entry. No way I know to have travel preauthorized. Several of my neighbors that sold their houses with jobs in the lower 48 were told they could be turned back at the border. This was when the border was somewhat open for restricted travel.