Here in MT we have few cases and we let everyone in
Being sparsely populated helps
In the end, it’s simply virus and blame others is stupid

What does this have to do with Canadian hunting??

Cause the grass is green?

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Originally posted by AR MAN:
What does this have to do with Canadian hunting??

Cause you won't be.

Grizz

I’ve got 4 hunts planned and booked in Canada already, no idea what you mean??

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Originally posted by AR MAN:
I’ve got 4 hunts planned and booked in Canada already, no idea what you mean??

I think a savy person would realize this applies to Americans, the kind that shows up at the border and says, What the Fuck ?

Grizz

My whole point was the accusations how US doesn’t know how to handle the virus, while it’s here to stay and less populated place is, less virus cases it has
Anyway ...

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Originally posted by boarkiller:
My whole point was the accusations how US doesn’t know how to handle the virus, while it’s here to stay and less populated place is, less virus cases it has
Anyway ...

Those of us who liven in rural areas with low population densities and restricted access to Citiods thank their lucky stars.

Grizz

I can't wait for a stone sheep to be 50% off. Hoping the price won't go up because there will be half as many outfitters next year. Has also been a welcome change to not see all the Canadian plates in the Flathead this summer.

Ski+3
Whitefish, MT

Well I just read that the US and Canada have agreed to extending the border closure for non-essential travel to September 21. Unless things change drastically in the covid numbers in the near future I expect that border closure will again be extended to late October in a months time. The politicians have more or less already indicated they will keep the border closed until the Covid-19 numbers in the US change and are under control.

Well there goes my NF moose hunt. I was scheduled Sept 13th-20th. Hopefully my outfitter has some openings in the next few years.

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Originally posted by Skyline:
Well I just read that the US and Canada have agreed to extending the border closure for non-essential travel to September 21. Unless things change drastically in the covid numbers in the near future I expect that border closure will again be extended to late October in a months time. The politicians have more or less already indicated they will keep the border closed until the Covid-19 numbers in the US change are are under control.

Here, they're talking about a surge in September.

Grizz

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Originally posted by Grizzly Adams1:

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Originally posted by Skyline:
Well I just read that the US and Canada have agreed to extending the border closure for non-essential travel to September 21. Unless things change drastically in the covid numbers in the near future I expect that border closure will again be extended to late October in a months time. The politicians have more or less already indicated they will keep the border closed until the Covid-19 numbers in the US change are are under control.

Here, they're talking about a surge in September.

Grizz

You do not have your location posted, but I am assuming you are in Canada, so I would guess you have seen the release from our Chief public health officer Dr. Theresa Tam. They are planning for the worse when it comes to a second wave and also expect that, based on new epidemic modelling, there will be continued outbreaks through to January 2022. Unless of course we see someone develop a great vaccine with a high efficacy rate...but that is a another rather lengthy topic.

In the mean time I think it is safe to say that "tourism' is going to take it on the chin for some time.

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Had no idea that Canada was closed; no reason to go there, especially now.

No reason to go there period. We have Alaska. I think we should enable reciprocal controls on Canadians in the U.S. or Canadiens trying to enter.

Chuck, we have an arrangement with the USA for Americans who want to travel straight through to Alaska. No Problem.

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Originally posted by dpcd:
Had no idea that Canada was closed; no reason to go there, especially now.

No reason to go there period. We have Alaska. I think we should enable reciprocal controls on Canadians in the U.S. or Canadiens trying to enter.

I absolutely agree with you. As it is there are some restrictions going south, but when they get home they have a two week quarantine. And as Brian said, there are arrangements for US citizens going to Alaska. Problem is some have been saying they are going to Alaska to get into Canada and then touristing around. I saw on the news tonight that one US citizen crossed heading to Alaska and was warned about their touristing around in Alberta and to head north. They got arrested in BC touristing around and have now been charged and could face a big fine if convicted. I guess he figured it is a big joke and could just do as he pleases.

Regardless of how you feel about the Covid responses from one country to another, one needs to respect other countries rules and regulations. I know when I go to the US the last thing I want to do is piss of the CBP or the DHS as I know I will be in a whole world of hurt.

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Chuck, we have an arrangement with the USA for Americans who want to travel straight through to Alaska. No Problem.

Just don't dally.

https://globalnews.ca/news/728...an-quarantine-rules/

Grizz

No issue, Alaskan Airlines flies to Anchorage from Denver with a stopover in Seattle. I have no issues with the Canadians closing their borders to protect themselves, we should've done the same in early March, though we would've been called xenophobes. It's the attitude I have an issue with.

Chuck...well I don't think I have shown any attitude, just stating things the way they are for info, as...sorry, but most Americans have absolutely no idea what is going on up here and the border issues. Simple truth. It is also true that there has been an issue with a few Americans lying about their intentions of going to Alaska to get across the border and then driving around doing what they want as if there will be no consequences. Well now there is, as police are now enforcing and arresting/charging those that have been deceitful...just like would happen when the shoe is on the other foot.

Attitude goes both ways, as while I know I see some Canadians making comments that are definitely sarcastic, I have definitely seen similar comments from some US posters. While not constructive, I think we all need to just curse behind the keyboard and ignore it.

Just my take on it.

Hi Chuck, Can you please tell what attitude you are referring to? I am not being touchy, I actually would just like to know. I'm interested in these type of things, that's all. Do you mean attitude in general from Canucks on AR? Did you come up here once and get attitude?
I know that a lot of us Canucks are pretty closed minded about Trump, me included. I think we will eventually be forgiven for that.

Cheers, Brian

This article talks about using "stereotypes" to judge each others country. Read the whole article, you see that we Canucks are no angels. ( Came as complete shock to me! chuckle.) Brian

In 2002, the Onion published a piece of commentary headlined “Stereotypes Are A Real Time-Saver,” in which a fictional author shares his “handy little device” for escaping the complexities of modern life — just use stereotypes! Looking for a good doctor? Pick an Asian one, the satire explains, because they’re “smart and studious”!
During the covid-19 pandemic, I’ve noticed an awful lot of us are using this same “handy little device” to explain away regional variations during a frustratingly inconsistent global crisis.
The United States is increasingly stereotyped as a uniquely bleak and broken country — particularly by American journalists. A large amount of U.S. coronavirus commentary accordingly attributes the United States’ extremely high numbers of cases and deaths to standard tropes about American racism, inequality, political dysfunction and stupidity. Paul Krugman of the New York Times says it’s the “longstanding anti-science, anti-expertise streak in American culture” that’s made America “exceptional, in a very bad way.”
Full coverage of the coronavirus pandemic
Canada, by contrast, has received mostly favorable press. A July story from CNN attributes the country’s comparatively low rates to Canadians’ calm compliance with social distancing and mask-wearing (“most see it as their duty”), and their “unwavering deference to science.” The Toronto Star praised Canada’s “national DNA” of humility, trust and compassion.
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But neither of these stereotype-heavy theories provide much useful insight for understanding what’s actually going on in North America.
For one, praising Canada’s “success” at keeping covid-19 at bay only works in a binary comparison with the United States. For much of the pandemic, Canada has consistently ranked among the 20 worst-hit nations, having passed 100,000 cases and 8,000 deaths in June. Per capita, Canada has been less successful fighting the virus than Germany, South Africa or Turkey — to say nothing of South Korea, Norway and Australia, whose rock-bottom numbers are legitimately world-class. Likewise, for all the talk of the naturally obedient Canadians, Canada actually has one of the world’s “lower rates of face-mask usage”— ranking behind the United States.
Second, in terms of land area, the United States and Canada are two of the largest nations on Earth. On coronavirus, as with anything, it’s absurd to make sweeping generalizations about how either continent-sized country has “experienced” it.

Reteric aside one thing must be remembered, BOTH countries jointly decided to closed the boarder for the time being. Anybody silly enough to show up expecting to cross - well I won't go there.

USA article in USA publication

Virus laggards
The United States is no longer the world’s only rich country still suffering through a major coronavirus outbreak. So is Spain.

Spain’s number of cases has surged in the last month. Over the last week, its per capita rate of new cases has been five times larger than France’s, six times larger than Portugal’s and 15 times larger than Japan’s. Adjusted for population, Spain’s outbreak has even surpassed the U.S. outbreak over the last few days.


By The New York Times | Sources: Johns Hopkins University and World Bank
How has it happened? Health experts are still trying to figure that out. But some of the early answers may sound familiar to Americans.

Lack of a clear national message. Spain’s prime minister — Pedro Sánchez, of the Socialist Workers’ Party — has not promoted medical disinformation, as President Trump has. Yet Sánchez has recently handed back control of virus policy to regional governments, instead of continuing to provide clear leadership about how people should behave. “In the past month, regions have announced new measures almost weekly, and they have often differed,” Raphael Minder, who’s based in Madrid for The Times, told me.

Last week, Sánchez went on vacation and didn’t address the public as the crisis mounted, Rodrigo Orihuela of Bloomberg reported.

Premature reopening. Spanish officials, like their American counterparts, made the mistake of thinking they could help the economy by prioritizing it over public health. Bars and nightclubs reopened. British tourists — a major source of revenue — were allowed to travel to Spain without restriction, in what María Ramírez of El Diario called “a desperate attempt to save the summer season.”

In truth, the only way to help the economy is to control the virus. “We wanted to return to normality too quickly,” Magda Campins, a Barcelona doctor, told El País.

Not enough testing and contact tracing. The shortages have made it “difficult for health authorities to identify and isolate potential virus carriers,” according to The Wall Street Journal.

As I’ve written before, there is a set of consistent lessons from around the world about how to beat back the virus: Mass testing. Rapid quarantines, contact tracing and, when necessary, lockdowns. Limited social gatherings, especially indoors. Widespread mask wearing.

After taking these steps, many countries, including Canada, Australia and much of Europe and Asia, have the virus under control. Spain itself followed this strategy in the spring and also sharply reduced new cases (as you can see in the chart above) — before lifting its state of emergency on June 21 and reopening less carefully than its neighbors.

Thanks for posting that. Yes it's clear you can't politic your way out of a pandemic no matter how hard you try.

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Originally posted by Brian Canada:
Hi Chuck, Can you please tell what attitude you are referring to? I am not being touchy, I actually would just like to know. I'm interested in these type of things, that's all. Do you mean attitude in general from Canucks on AR? Did you come up here once and get attitude?
I know that a lot of us Canucks are pretty closed minded about Trump, me included. I think we will eventually be forgiven for that.

Cheers, Brian

Hi Brian I like Canadians a lot, had a girl friend quite a while ago (I've been married over 30 years) of Scottish descent and lived in Toronto for awhile. I really liked Toronto. Also had quite a few friends from Montreal of French Canadian persuasion, great folks too. It was an earlier post I was referring to. It doesn't do us any good to look down on each other. We have enough of that within the U.S. and with our European "allies". It just makes us recoil and retaliate (which the Americans have always been very good at).

Thanks Chuck, Nice to hear from you. Brian

Good post on Spain Brian. Sadly a number of EU countries are heading downhill again and going to change the go no go travel picture once again. It is tough for people to keep abreast of unless they are actively trying to do so.

This is going to be a big problem for quite some time. Countries that are okay at one point when making plans end up being a no go weeks later, affecting flights and possibly even the hunt at the final destination.

We cam bitch about it all we want but our only option is to learn to roll with it as it is most assuredly nothing we have any control over.

Agreed, Roll with it, adapt. Brian

CBC news has indicated that it has received information that the Canada/US border will remain closed until at least October 21st. At this point it is unofficial, but this is what was expected. Another news source says until November. I'll post the official date when I see it in the news.

I don't see the border opening until the USA gets a grip on the virus. Could be at least six months away. Just my guess. Brian

Brian there is a good chance you are right. I wish they would just do it so that everyone knows where they sit for a few months instead of waiting to see if things might open up a bit month by month. It would be fairer to everyone, business owners and tourists alike.

How much testing is being done in Canada?

Boxhead, For an important question like that I recommend googling it.
ie. Canada CDC, or Canada covid 19 testing.
For my province BC you could google "bccdc.ca". Or watch CBC News or CTV news.

My answer to the question would just not be reliable. Skyline is well informed on most things, maybe he can help.

One thing that I can say for sure is that wearing masks, social distancing and avoiding groups, etc. has proven the be very successful.

Mostly Canucks see wearing a mask as a respectful and responsible thing to do in public.

Boxhead, just as you have seen in the US, the testing rates vary in our provinces just as they do in your states. That said, the current number of tests in Canada is approaching 6.5 million and our current population is roughly 37.5 million. This works out to to a test rate of around 174,000 per million people. Of people tested the positivity rates seems to be hovering around 2,2 to 2.4 %.

Our useless federal politicians finally confirmed today that the border will remain closed until at least October 21. So I guess we have to play the same game and wait until the middle of October to see about another extension to late November, which is almost certainly going to happen. There are some provincial and federal health officials on record as wanting to see the Canada/US border kept closed until spring 2021. I guess all of us will just have to wait and see how this all unfolds one month at a time.

Check the Sweden graphs. What both the US and Canada are doing to ourselves is stupid.

Well one thing is for sure, it does not matter what any of us think as to the way our governments are approaching Covid...as an individual they don't give a damn what we think and there is nothing we can do to change it. We just have to live with the fall out.

No one is going to know who was wrong and who was right until this thing has played out, and that could easily be another couple of years. Personally I have my doubts about how fast, if ever, they are going to be able to develop a vaccine with a high efficacy. They haven't managed to do that with the regular crop of flu/influenza vaccines they have been pushing at us for the last decade or so.

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Originally posted by Skyline:
Well one thing is for sure, it does not matter what any of us think as to the way our governments are approaching Covid...as an individual they don't give a damn what we think and there is nothing we can do to change it. We just have to live with the fall out.

No one is going to know who was wrong and who was right until this thing has played out, and that could easily be another couple of years. Personally I have my doubts about how fast, if ever, they are going to be able to develop a vaccine with a high efficacy. They haven't managed to do that with the regular crop of flu/influenza vaccines they have been pushing at us for the last decade or so.

Agreed totally, the only question being, how long before opening the border outweighs keeping it closed ?

Grizz

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Originally posted by Grizzly Adams1:

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Originally posted by Skyline:
Well one thing is for sure, it does not matter what any of us think as to the way our governments are approaching Covid...as an individual they don't give a damn what we think and there is nothing we can do to change it. We just have to live with the fall out.

No one is going to know who was wrong and who was right until this thing has played out, and that could easily be another couple of years. Personally I have my doubts about how fast, if ever, they are going to be able to develop a vaccine with a high efficacy. They haven't managed to do that with the regular crop of flu/influenza vaccines they have been pushing at us for the last decade or so.

Agreed totally, the only question being, how long before opening the border outweighs keeping it closed ?

Grizz

Exactly. From what I am seeing and hearing I'd say most people on this side of the border want it kept closed for some time to come...except for those who are employed in industries that are severely affected by the lack of our US friends crossing. Most people in tourism are negatively impacted in a significant way by the border closure, but surprisingly I have talked to many that say they do not want the border opened until it is "safe". I just retired from outfitting a year ago and I live in a very rural setting with lots of friends and neighbours in the tourism industry so this surprised me a bit, but there is a noticeable difference in who is for and against. The outfitters themselves are of course wanting the border opened to hunters in some fashion, but many who fall into the "employee" category are fine with it as long as they are getting the free money. If that dries up the attitudes will change instantly.

Well there is a little bit going on at the border. I first read this in the local paper.

I guess few here in other places have any idea how transparent the BC/Washington border is thank goodness. In places the only thing that separates the two is a street. Houses on one side in the US and on the other in Canada.

https://www.independent.co.uk/...rriage-a9572301.html

United Airlines announced this week immediate COVID testing with results prior to boarding the plane. They are going to use this to get people to Hawaii and when they land passengers will not need to quarantine for 14 days. Costs are $250 for the test and paid for by the passenger. If this is successful why wouldn’t Canada open up the boarder besides just stubbornness?