Exact same lot that it was regulated with. Those would not be available forever which is why I bought them.

Makes sense. Hopefully once you get it back and spend some range time, all will fall in place.

I spoke to JJ this morning. He confirms that the left chamber is not cut as deep as the right. That is the problem. It is a simple fix. He will be making the modifications this week.

I wish I had figured this out 2 1/2 months ago.

Larry, again I'm sorry you had to go through this frustration but I'm glad to hear it's being made right.

I hope mine doesn't have the same problem when delivered. I still can't figure out how it got through the factory in that condition. I mean they did regulate it right?

One would hope.

I wonder how they could regulate it when it won't chamber a round in one of the tubes?

Lazers? Witchcraft? Chrystal balls?

To be fair, I think is entirely possible to have shot it. I think I got it to shoot 6 times.

I am told the gun is ready except for mounting the Dr Optik on it. It is going to take 3-4 weeks to get the mount in. He goes have a Trijicon mount which he can modify. I am 90 days away from Botswana. What would you do?

Get the fricken gun. Shoot it. See what, if anything you have to complain about this time. If it's good, great. If not, you can't pin the tail on V-C's ass because it does not regulate with the Doctor Optic. Did not see where the installation of the Doctor Optic was part of JJ's delay. I can see this one coming.

I'd skip the optics and go start practicing. Optics on Big Bore doubles are like spinners on a Rolls-Royce, ugly and not much use.

I saw you shoot that 28, 20, and 410 in Argentina with a level of proficiency that I'd dare say you are good to go without the optik. Start shooting the irons and go hammer a jumbo.

Thanks Will.

My eyes are not what they once were, at least up close. Thus my desire for the Doctor Optik.

I just learned about the mount issue today. When I called last week, the gun had not been started yet. I was not anticipating the mount issue.

I am thinking about having him send me the gun back. Start shooting it until he has the mount. Then send it back to him.

Another option would be to use the Trinicon sight . I know nothing about that sight . I have never seen one.

DD:

I have thus far restrained myself from responding to you antics. After reviewing them in total, I have to wonder. Were you picked on as a child? Did they drop you on your head when you were a baby? Perhaps you can't get it up any more?

I have one thing to say to you.


I would like to see you take a gun that won't shoot and go hunt elephants with it.

Hey Larry, more money than common sense? No, wasn't dropped or picked on. I did the picking. Yes, still get it up (when opportunity arrives ). Have a great day Dude!

I have seen your videos of shooting doves and i guess you sould just go with open sights. Once you practice with open sights on a good reliable gun you may decide that you do not need optics on a 500NE.

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Originally posted by DoubleDon:
Hey Larry, more money than common sense? No, wasn't dropped or picked on. I did the picking. Yes, still get it up (when opportunity arrives ). Have a great day Dude!

What is with your prickish attitude?

Larry had a problem he was trying to diagnose, exhibited tremondous patience considering the sizable investment and wasn't blaming anyone other than stating facts.

And he resisted multiple barbs from your condescending ass. WTF over?

Point was to get the gun back and make sure everything is good before adding another variable into the equation.

Larry,

My opinion would be to get the gun back now and begin shooting it in order to get familiar and see if there are any other issues to be addressed. Then, send it back for the optics if you still feel you need them. That would allow you to address any other issues you might have identified as well.

It's possible that the mounts could be further delayed for unforeseen reasons at this point. Also, from my experience with scoping my 9.3X74R Chapuis, I had significant trouble finding a load that regulated with the optics mounted. Very frustrating.

Seems that time is getting short until your hunt. Certainly not your fault but one of those unfortunate circumstances we sometimes find ourselves in. Overall, I think working on familiarity with the gun right now will be more valuable to you on the hunt than the optics.

I am in the camp of:

Get it back, enjoy the heck out of it for the purpose you bought it - dangerous game up close and personal. No need for optical sights for that.

If you've enjoyed it and still feel the need, get the sight after your next safari. Bring a bolt gun with scope along for the occasion that will be the better tool but try the 500NE sans scope. I am betting you will be satisfied.

Stay well,

Paul

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Bring a bolt gun with scope along for the occasion that will be the better tool

Isn't it always! :-)

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Originally posted by Biebs:

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Bring a bolt gun with scope along for the occasion that will be the better tool

Isn't it always! :-)

That case could be made, but then again, I'm no lawyer and don't even play one on TV ...

I asked Safari-Lawyer and Mike Jines to weigh in on this, but they wanted $400/hour!!! :-)

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How lucky am I to have a 21 year old that still wants to hang out.

I have a grandson, 21, who is in college at the present time, Ok Texas A&M. He was accepted into a degree program and I am as proud of him as I would be if it were my son.

Since he has been old enough to walk, I have taken him hunting and fishing with me. I took him to Old Mexico deer hunting with me when he was a Jr. and Sr. in high school and gave up my tag one year so he could shoot an old ten point that scored 161 and some change.

When he has come home the last two years at Thanksgiving and Christmas all I hear from him is lets go call some coyotes Pop-o or lets go get some pigs.

I was looking through one of the gun auctions site and came across a brand new, in the white FN commercial action. The lights went off and the whistle started blowing, I NEED THAT ACTION. I bought it.

Wondering what to build off of it I thought about my hunting buddy and decided what a fitting gift for a graduate than a custom rifle. So, I am off getting it together and visiting with my smith, everything has been decided on and it is in motion. FN action, Shilen #3 SS barrel in .270, Anser brake, Timney Trigger with safety, control scope mounts with a Kahles 6X42 scope. He drools over a couple of my custom stocks so I think I will put a laminate stock on his rifle. When he gets a little older and decided he does not like the laminate stock, hopefully together we can build a custom stock for his rifle.

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The richest man on Earth their my friend!

Gentlemen:

As soon as I get out of this board(bored) meeting, I am going to call JJ and have the rifle sent back so I can start shooting it. I will see how I do with the iron sights.

I have a 223 with a sight similar to the Doctor Optik. I shoot extremely well with that. If my shooting with the express sights is not good enough, I will send the gun back to JJ and have the sight installed.

It is a good idea to start shooting your gun now and get all the range time in that you possibily can,it does not take much to install the dokter sight on a DR,I have the same sight on all my Dr's as well as lever actions,I have not experienced any regulation issues ever,the sight is very light in weight,it is very efficient in the field and it will not take JJ much time to cut the rib for the mount at all,it is a minor job,you can probably get the gun back the same week.

Larry, just point and shoot baby - point and shoot! Leave all the other concerns to the double rifle shooters, just be a hunter/killer!

Aiming is like practice, it's WAY over-rated!

Per CIP rules on the .500NE 3" (that VC & Hornady should certainly abide to),
the brass Rim Thickness should be between 1.02 and 0.77mm (.031" to .04") , while the chamber should be at least 1.04mm (.041").
That should tell you who is wrong.
WC-

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

Aiming is like practice, it's WAY over-rated!

This reminds me of one of my favorite Kenny Powers' quotes:

"I play real sports, I am not trying to be the best at exercising." Good stuff!

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Originally posted by Biebs:
I asked Safari-Lawyer and Mike Jines to weigh in on this, but they wanted $400/hour!!! :-)

Good work when you can find it.

:-)

WC:

The Hornady rims were thicker than what you stated MUCH to their surprise. In fact, they shipped replacement ammo yesterday .

The left chamber was not cut deep enough. I have been told the depth but have forgotten with certainty. I think it was either 38 or 39 thousandths .

So I guess everybody was wrong...
Where is quality control going....

I never realized a thousandth of an inch made so much difference.

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I never realized a thousandth of an inch made so much difference.

Larry, Now you can imagine how women feel :-)

I just measured some .500 Hornady brass I had and the rims are indeed oversized...
They measure a bit over .400.
It looks that they were aiming (no pun intended) for 0.400 instead of having a max of 0.400.
I guess I need to send them back as well.
The other question is: what about all the brass I have from them in other calibers...
I'll go check.
WC-

Biebs:

I was going to make that joke as well.

WC:

Hornady was I deed surprised. They are not all the same. Out of the first 4 boxes, 2 boxes were noticeably better. After going through the whole story with them, Hornady checked every single round of both the replacement boxes and the boxes I purchased subsequently. I was quite impressed with their service.

If the max allowable thickness for .500 NE brass rims is .040 and your chambers are cut to .039, you are setting yourself up for problems again. The CIP cartridge drawing shows a dimension of .040, but no tolerance is specified on the drawing; it has to be listed somewhere. Chambers always have a max tolerance as well; larger than the brass tolerance is; usually .007 on most SAAMI supported rimmed calibers. So, your chambers are still too shallow and from the CIP drawing, the ammo is correct at .040 rim thickness.

Ok, I did find the CIP specs for .500 NE chambers and ammo; here are the facts; seriously, this is not brain surgery and way too much theorizing has gone into your problem, when the facts are available. I wish I had read this post earlier; I could have saved you a lot of hassle. Allowable AMMO rim thickness per CIP spec is 1.02mm MINUS .25, which is inches is .0305 to .040. CHAMBER rim cut dimension is 1.04. No tolerance given, which in inches is .041. Bottom line, if your rifle was cut IAW CIP specs, it would easily fit any ammo rim thickness up to the max allowable .040. Bottom line, your rifle chamber was, and is, not in accordance with CIP specs and your ammo, if made at .0305 to .040, is correct. Just my take; trying to help. SORRY, I see that Mr Wildcattle already did this analysis; well it was fun anyway.

The gun will be shipped back to me such that I will have it Monday. I am going to see how I do with the regular sights before installing the Doktor Optik.

Gentlemen, thank you for your comments. To be honest, I have no idea what these measurements should have been nor do I have anything to make a determination of what the measurements were. Honestly, I am too busy to deal with things like this. I am rather overwhelmed at this time of the year. It is hard to make this a priority when I am working 15-18 hours a day.

Circumstances created long delays. I bought the gun at the SCI show. It took a couple weeks to get here. Then I had to order ammo. I was unable to go out immediately and try the rifle when the ammo arrived. Every time I went to shoot there was an issue. I consulted various people, including Ken, to attempt to find a resolution. Nothing worked. It was only when I took the gun to the gun shop that I use often that the problem was accurately diagnosed.

To be clear, the measurements I gave for the chamber were before the corrections.

I could have saved myself an awful lot of time had I simply taken this to my gun guys initially.

I can't wait to get my hands on the gun!

Thanks.

Glad you're getting it worked out and good shooting!

Look forward to seeing you holding the gun in front of a big tusker!