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Hmmmmm. Maybe my view that all factory casings and ammunition are so close to perfect that they need not be considered requires some rethinking. Glad you're back on track, LarryShores. Thanks for the thread. | |||
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Larry bang some of those Florida hogs. Drawn some blood. Mike | |||
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Mauser93: Let me give something determined by the SWAG method. SWAG, by the way, stands for scientific wild assed guess. In the overall scheme of things, the 500 NE is much less common that say .357 , 9 MM, 30-06 etc. These common calibers are run in mass quantity most days, if not every day. Enter a relatively rare caliber like 500 NE, I am willing to bet that these are run in batches as infrequently as once a year. I think this will make consistency an issue in the less frequently run calibers. This is a total guess on my part. If you are using factory ammo in these calibers, do yourself a favor and check every round before you board the plane across the pond. | |||
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Great advice from an experienced double rifle man! I've had issues on individual cases that would only show up by running them through the rifle. This should be done on all hunting ammo not just doubles. | |||
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Tony forgot the first test, which is to take the barrels off the action and stand up muzzle down. Now turn the cartridges or brass primer DOWN and place the rim in the rim recess with bullets up! Try all the cartridges in each rim recess to see if the rim is thicker then the recess cut into the barrels.. Some times one recess may be slightly shallower than the other and if brass is showing above the face of the barrel then the brass is too thick, or the recess wasn’t cut deep enough. By doing it this way first you can identify the problem being the rim thickness or the recess as being the problem. If, however you do the chambering first it is impossible to tell if it is the rim or the chamber being too short, or the brass not being sized properly. After the rim thickness or recess being too shallow is found to not be the problem, then color the case and bullet with a die marker, and chamber the cartridge or brass and try to close the rifle. If it closes hard or not at all remove the case and examine it to see where the die is removed from the cartridge or brass. This will tell you where exactly the problem lies. ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Thank you both for some excellent pointers,your experience speaks for itself !!!!
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UPS delivered 41 pounds of 500 NE from Hornady today. I brought them home. I opened up one box. Interestingly, it said "regulating" after the caliber and bullet description. The ammo I returned did not reflect that description. I opened up a box, went outside and dropped in 2 rounds. I then closed the gun . I was unpleasantly surprised to find that the gun did not close properly. I opened the gun up and ran my fingers over the cases and the ejectors. I could clearly feel the cartridge in the left barrel sticking up slightly. I thought that was a bit odd. I thought that perhaps I had a "bad" round. I tried 2 more. Guess what? The cartridge in the left barrel protruded ever so slightly. I tried 2 more, same result. I went back and took the rounds from the left barrel and placed them in the right barrel. Not a single one protruded. I would have to conclude that the left barrel is not cut deep enough. What do you experts think? | |||
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I don't know about any of that but i was hoping to see a few pic's of your double?? | |||
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Larry, I think you should call Ken first thing in the morning and send the gun to him to have it completely checked out. Stay well, Paul NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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My opinion would be to send the rifle to JJ to have it examined and repaired if needed. Otherwise you might be in for a long wait to get it back into your hands vs if Ken wants to send it back to the factory. VC shouldnt have any issues with footing the shipping costs to JJ and back along with the repair bill My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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I have talked to Ken. He wants me to send it to JJ. That will happen tomorrow. | |||
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Yes, "Regulating" ammo is sold to the rifle makers, and it is -in principal- more consistent from lot-to-lot. | |||
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Larry Before you send the rifle you might try this. Take the barrels off the gun. See if the extractor is going flush with the rest of the rim cut in the back of the barrel. If not then check if there are any burrs or mayne a small piece of loose steel stuck under the ejector. Also look at the rim cut with a magnifing glass and see if there are any small burrs. If not of the above... Then look at the4 actual depth of the two different rim cuts in the back of the barrel, and see if they are the same. It does sound like that the left barrel has too shallow a rim cut, or maybe the chamber is a little to short. Are there any rifling marks on the bullets? DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Thank you sir. i will do that. | |||
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Larry, I'm confident that JJ will fix you up. Please let us know how VC treats the situation, as I've been drooling over a .500 from them as well. Hope it all works out, quick, and good hunting. | |||
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I have spoken to JJ. He thinks my conclusions are reasonable. The gun will go shortly. Damn, I can't wait to shoot the thing. it has been 2 months since I bought it. | |||
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That rifle had to be patterned before shipped to USA. Mike | |||
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Mike: One would think. I have had the f'ing thing for 2 months. Still can't shoot it. My departure for Botswana is getting closer and closer. | |||
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Pattern your shotgun. Regulate and group a double rifle.  Deo Vindice, Don Sons of Confederate Veterans Black Horse Camp #780 | |||
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Have you seen Mike's targets? I think pattern may be the correct description.  ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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I have seem him shoot that gun. It would bear little resemblance to shotgun pattern. He shoots it extremely well. | |||
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Larry, I agree. Mike is a friend and I am just teasing him, hence the ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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I knew you were kidding. I meant to add something funny at the end but failed to do so as I am run ragged today. | |||
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My friends, excuse my terminology. Yes, I should have said regulated. Mike | |||
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Mike, I knew you had a brain cramp / senior moment. Hence the wink at the end of the post. Hope to see you soon. Deo Vindice, Don Sons of Confederate Veterans Black Horse Camp #780 | |||
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The gun has been shipped. UPS gave me a ton of grief . | |||
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What did UPS give you a hard time about? | |||
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Todd: First it was the cost of insurance . They quoted one price over the phone. They wanted 5 times that amount when my employee went there. I was at a Magic game. They would not take a credit card over the phone. The next day, they wanted MY FFL. I don't have one. They wanted JJ's FFL. I didn't have it. I had them take it to my gun guys. | |||
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Hello Larry. This is kinda like watching a very slow tooth extraction, this being page 3 on the topic. May I suggest that you insure your valuables with Collectable Insurance. Take the gun to Fedex. Ship with direct signature required and it's done. I don't have a dog in this fight  . It's a Southern expression so please, don't climb my ass. When you ask the "experts" here on AR, the peanut gallery chimes right up. I'm sure that JJ will take care of this big little problem. Good luck in Botswana! When is your safari?Deo Vindice, Don Sons of Confederate Veterans Black Horse Camp #780 | |||
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Larry, the reason I ask is that I want to ship my 416 Rigby CZ 550 to Wayne to do some mods as well as send my Merkel 500NE to JJ to do a tune up. I've never shipped a gun directly and just wondered what kind of hassles I'm in for. Do they require any special packaging, etc? Do I understand correctly that UPS requires a FFL and FedEx does not? Also, I seem to remember some preferences for one over the other but don't remember which. Don seems to indicate FedEx is the better choice. Any comments? Thanks. | |||
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Todd, I don't want to hijack Larry's thread. I have used Collectables Insurance for many years. I have found it much safer to have my own account and be able to create a shipmint and print my own label. I have no FFL. When I ship to JJ or others, I ship with "direct signature reguired". Also, in item #4, Billing details I discreetly ID the gun (example VC#A1234). I have been told that Collectables have never denied a claim if one takes these precautions. BTW, when I take the package I ask for a receipt. They scan the bar code, hand me my receipt and no questions are asked. Nor should they be. Deo Vindice, Don Sons of Confederate Veterans Black Horse Camp #780 | |||
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My perception is that we got a couple of idiots at UPS. I think they were off base. I had enough aggravation with them. I took it to my gun guys to get it over with. I am ready to shoot the gun. Insurance is a good idea. I think the UPS people were totally off base. JJ thinks my assessment has merit. However, I possess no significant knowledge in is area . We will see. It has been almost 2 1/2months since I bought the gun. I am ready to shoot it. | |||
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Larry, I hate to see the frustration you are experiencing. I tried to purchase that same gun but it didn't fit me. As you know, I have one on order now instead. I sure hope this gets corrected for you promptly and hope mine doesn't have the same issue. | |||
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I know how hard the weighting can be. The good news is I don't know of anyone I would trust more to get the job done right than JJ. I to am weighting to hear a range report. Good luck Bill Member DSC,DRSS,NRA,TSRA A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. -Mark Twain There ought to be one day - just one – when there is open season on Congressmen. ~Will Rogers~ | |||
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JJ has had it about a week and a half. No word yet. | |||
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Hey Larry, didn't see anyone asking for an update, but thanks for providing same . "Week and a half" with JJ...are you high maintainance or what? Are you now throwing JJ under the bus? Just asking. Dang, this extraction is very painful.  Deo Vindice, Don Sons of Confederate Veterans Black Horse Camp #780 | |||
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No, simply stating the facts. Let me ask you a question,DoubleDon. If you bought a new double and almost 3 months later you were still not able to shoot it because of some defect, how would you feel? I bought the rifle and about $4,000 worth of ammo. I can't shoot it and every single day, I am one day closer to leaving for Botswana. Yes, I am a little anxious. | |||
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Well Larry, why would you buy $4,000 worth of ammo without making certain it regulated with same? We all have difficulties in our life. Some choose to work/talk things out and not spread it on the net. BTW, I asked before, when do you depart for Botswana?? Deo Vindice, Don Sons of Confederate Veterans Black Horse Camp #780 | |||
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It is the exact same ammo it was regulated with. | |||
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Same lot? First, purchase a couple boxes and make sure all is well. From what I have heard, it is a rim thickness problem from Hornady and not a V-C problem. Still don't have a "dog in this fight". Deo Vindice, Don Sons of Confederate Veterans Black Horse Camp #780 | |||
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