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I find this thread rather sleazy and disgusting, Mintyman, you obviously have a personal beef with Geoff Miller and are attempting to strong arm others into condemning him so that you can hide behind their reputations. This is nothing less than cowardly. Grow a set of balls, post your real name and put forward your agenda. Otherwise shut up.

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+1 from me Unless you state your true agenda and identity you and this thread belong in the "WHO GIVES A SHIT FILE"


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, you obviously have a personal beef with Geoff Miller and are attempting to strong arm others into condemning him so that you can hide behind their reputations.


This says it all.

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What TerryR says, plus one more!
Get a life, grow some testicles and own up to your agenda.

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I find this to be something personal and not belonging on this forum. Never serving in the armed forces it is not my place to personally enter into this type of discussion however my father served in WWII in combat in the Phillipines and I knew others of his generation that were combat veterans as well.
I never recall in 50 years that they discussed their herorics or even subtle details of that experience. I believe most would have liked to forget about it much less discuss it.

EZ


Exactly! I find that the guys who spout off about thier exploits, especially if they erned a high medal of valor, in war were most times never there at all.

I had a personal message over three years ago to ask if I knew Miller, and to tell me that he could find no listing of him winning a Navy Cross as he claimed! I found no listing of him either.

I really can't fathom why this guy wants to inject Craig into this, there is no mystery about Boddington's service. The little I know of Craig, he wouldn't be one to pry into Millers history. Thier conection was with a double rifle business, and what seemed to be a Simper FI brotherhood. I simply do not see craig questioning Miller about the reason for his claimed citation, and service. Craig strikes me as someone who attends to his own business, and assumes others do the same! I could be wrong but that has always been my opinion of Boddington.


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bear no personal animosity toward you, I would very much like to believe that somebody that spent the length of time you did in the military would not be party to this deception. If I wished to further implicate you personally I would have posted other documents in my possession. I chose not to do so, because I believe that the statements made about you may not be true.


So which is it Money Man? You have no personal animosity, yet you claim to have documents that would impicate him? Oh, please!

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I read the DGJ articles Mr. Minty mentioned in his first post when they first came out.

It was clear then that someone was bragging about their service and it was BS. I know a few (few!) decorated veteran and active duty Marines and they don't brag about it. You'd never even guess they were decorated. I saw a major get pinned with a medal with V on it a few months ago in Quantico and he couldn't wait to get back to work and was embarrassed that there was a minor (10 minute) ceremony for him. The commendation that was read by the Colonel was a tear jerker and he's ready to get back to his desk!

The root cause of some of this "controversy" is that some people rely on magazines like DGJ for accuracy and factual information vs. pimping a business or for entertainment value. I LOVED DGJ when I had drillings and was "into it" but I knew it was lifestyle magazine evoking emotion and promoting certain businesses, not a technical journal.

Gun makers, gun writers, guides, 'smiths, PHs and the rest of us are just normal human beings. If you look up to anyone as a hero you're going to get disappointed some day. Let Miller deal with his own problems.
 
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mt Al, I think that is the best post on this thread.

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I would make two comments on this sorry situation, as an impartial outsider:

First: It passes understanding and defies credibility that Mr. Miller was NEVER a Marine, was NOT awarded the Navy Cross, lived under the same roof for some period of time with Mr. Boddington, yet was able to convince this Colonel and long-service Marine, that he HAD done these things. Something is “Rotten In Denmark”.

Second: How can a gun writer who has a financial investment in a gun maker, and who has at least one relative who also has an investment in said gun maker, write an un-biased review of that maker’s product? Unfortunately, such is the norm among gun writers, as another scribe alluded to above. I have personal knowledge of a well-known gun writer who received a bespoke double rifle from a Spanish maker of the upper echelon , free and clear, while writing glowing reviews of that maker’s products for years in both his books and his magazine articles. My good friend, who is national sales manager for a large US company, refers to such persons, half “tongue-in-cheek”, as “Whores in the marketplace”, a fitting sobriquet IMHO.
 
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Are you Ms. Mintyman's cousin or just the Oshawa village idiot, as ISS suggests on the Big Bore forum?

I ask because you, like Ms. Mintyman, have posted the same exact comments on both the Big Bores and this forum. If you cannot formulate a similar response using different language, then you must be terribly impressed with your own prose or are schilling for someone.

You know not of what you speak. But this is the internet and few restrictions and no intelligence is required.


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My grandson who is in the US Army made me aware of a website called reportstolenvalor.org (sorry,don't know how to post a link). FYI.
 
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7kongoni, just write out the whole web site like this.....

http://www.reportstolenvalor.org/

Now anyone can click on it and it will tale em there. Interesting web site. I find these liars and frauds to be a mixture of pathetic attention seeking to low rend fraudsters and identity thieves.


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I believe most would have liked to forget about it much less discuss it.


Very true. My grandfather was a B17 copilot in Europe. He flew 25 missions over Germany. It doesn't take a lot of imagination to think of the consequences of 25 bomb loads being droped around Germany (many civilian targets factories and plants). Consequently I think it was very hard for him to talk about it.

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Good stuff all, but not much about double rifles. Again, this is a personal matter between Miller and Mintyman, so I've said what I have to say. It galls me to respond to attacks made by cowards who hide behind screen names.

To Ron Vella, despite the name-calling, I'll gladly respond to you, since you have the balls to use your real name (or at least that is how it appears). A couple years before his death my Dad became an investor in Rigby. This was uncharacteristic of him, but he didn't ask for my advice or consent (nor did he need to). After 9/11, when gun biz was real slow, I made what was supposed to be a short-term loan. Dad's loan was long since repaid to my mother. My own hasn't turned out to be so short, but progress has been made and I remain hopeful. Since making that loan I have written no features about Rigby, although I have mentioned Rigby and many of Rigby's competitors in many contexts.

Interestingly, the writer who has the dispute with Mr. Miller (who may or may not be Mintyman) has written glowingly about Rigby within the last year. I have not.

But perhaps we can actually finish up this dumb thread by talking about double rifles: I have exactly one Rigby, a very plain boxlock .450 finished in 2006. I paid for it. Further questions?
Cheers, Craig
 
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Lets close the curtains on this one and get on with AR gun business! What say ye?


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Further questions?


Craig,

Yes, but only one. What drink should we have waiting for you at the AR SCI social? Big Grin I look forward to meeting you.

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What Craig said, plus two!

I already made the offer, his first beverage of choice is on me!
Friday 3:30 at the Giraffe Bar. Those of you who have not had the pleasure of meeting the Colonel are in for a rare treat.

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" I paid for it. Further questions?
Cheers, Craig"


Thank you for the invitation Mr. Boddington, just a simple one.


Did Geoff Miller tell you he was a former Marine, or was his deception your idea as he claims ?



I am sorry if that further "Galls" you but you have now written here twice and avoided answering the simple question on both occasions.

I am not the writer to whom you allude. In your position you must know how many people Miller has ripped off and lies to over the last decade or so, including yourself it appears. That "Writer" is only one of the many.

PS Ask Geoff what he said elsewhere in that trial, before you get all self righteous with me again.
 
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Colonel Boddington,
I appreciate your forthrightness and I agree with Mac. I'll close by saying that I AM Ron Vella, I DO live in the city of Oshawa, in the province of Ontario, in the country of Canada. Anyone who cares to do a 411 search could find my street address and telephone number in a matter of a minute.I have never felt a need to conceal my identity by using a "handle" or by giving some vague location like "Idaho". Those who choose to do so are certainly free to do that. There are a number of members here who have been in my home or who regularly stop to chat with me at my table at various gun shows, and could verify the above. Had you and I been in the same room, I would have looked you straight in the eye and said exactly what I said above. I am who I am, no BS and no political correctness! It's unfortunate that "Mintyman" was not cut from the same cloth!

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actually, no one here really cares who you are; or where you live. If you are someone of importance in the hunting world like Col. Craig Boddington it does. Butch Searcy or JJ, yes. A regular poster, not likely. No more so, than I am.

What is noteworthy, is the subject and subject matter of your posts and the position you assume. If you make a post regarding the character of someone like the Colonel, then you need to verify your credentials to do so. If you have so little regard for yourself as to not even capitalize your own name, you cannot expect anyone else to have any either.

You may be a fine person, of substance; but you cannot criticize some one else who has, in many ways, for four decades, without some standing in the community. In most people's estimation, Craig Boddington is the new voice of Africa and African Safaris. He has been for over thirty years and some seventy-odd Safaris.

Try not to look so ill-informed and ignorant in the future.

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This is my final word to Mintyman: Look me in the eye at SCI, not while hiding behind your computer screen, and I will tell you the truth as I know it. This is personal, and if in fact I was lied to my problem is strictly between me and the person who lied to me. This forum is not the place for it. I have never knowingly lied to my readers, but like all journalists I have made mistakes based on incorrect information. As I said much earlier in this dumb thread, what I wrote 14 years ago was what I believed to be true. Right now I'm not sure what the truth is, and I will say no more until I am certain. Meantime, go get a life.
 
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Colonel Boddington: Thank you for checking in, and thank you very much for your military service.

To go back to double guns, and since you invited further questions, I have one:

In one of the recent articles about Rigby, Steve Helsley mentioned a test conducted by California Rigby. This may just have been fiction by the writer or by Geoff Miller, but if it actually happened, you might know more about this. As stated in the article, they blew up around 25 shotguns in order to determine the strongest action.
Do you have any more information on these tests and would you be willing to share some of the results? Has there been an article published about this in any publication?
If these tests where conducted, I think it would be very interesting for most of us to learn more about it. For example, what guns where used and how did the individual guns perform under severe stress? I certainly would understand it if brand names could not be made public, but I'm interested in learning how the individual types of actions performed.
Thank you for your time.
 
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Meantime, go get a life.

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Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics...

Even if you win, you are still a retard.

Mintyman...welcome to the club.....


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Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics...

Even if you win, you are still a retard.

Mintyman...welcome to the club.....




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But perhaps we can actually finish up this dumb thread by talking about double rifles: I have exactly one Rigby, a very plain boxlock .450 finished in 2006. I paid for it. Further questions?
Cheers, Craig

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Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics...
Even if you win, you are still a retard.
Mintyman...welcome to the club.....


You are member? sofa Big Grin,
I think You owe a apologize to those "Special habilities people"
by comparing then, with this guy ... animal
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So far in this arguement we have a "Mintyman" and a "Celticman". next, no doubt, their cousin Batman will turn up. Roll Eyes
 
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yuck

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That got a hardy gut laugh!

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May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep.
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" I paid for it. Further questions?
Cheers, Craig"


Thank you for the invitation Mr. Boddington, just a simple one.


Did Geoff Miller tell you he was a former Marine, or was his deception your idea as he claims ?



I am sorry if that further "Galls" you but you have now written here twice and avoided answering the simple question on both occasions.

I am not the writer to whom you allude. In your position you must know how many people Miller has ripped off and lies to over the last decade or so, including yourself it appears. That "Writer" is only one of the many.

PS Ask Geoff what he said elsewhere in that trial, before you get all self righteous with me again.


Hi Mintyman, I'm John, who may I ask are you? bewildered
 
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I seem to see this a bit differently than many here. I see this as Mr. Miller/Rigby CA versus the buying public. And, Miller vs Boddington.
In Miller vs The public, I see this "Stolen Valor" issue as just another in a long line of deception by Miller. It seems that Mr. Miller has gotten away with this deception for so long because it has not been made public. Mr. Miller made the posted comments in court almost 3 yrs. ago and even though they are 'public record' the "public" has not been made aware of them. If I were Col. Boddington, I would get a COMPLETE transcript of what Mr. Miller said under oath. Then, I would ask him if he lied to me or did he lie under oath? I don't see Col. Boddington remaining 'friends' with Miller after such an exchange.
I see Mintyman as bringing this to the public's attention, regardless of his motives. Sort of like a 'Whistle Blower'.
 
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Okay..we have list:

Miller vs London Rigby
------- Boddington
------- FBI
------- US marine Corps
------- His x wife
------- Public
------- Wieland

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So far in this arguement we have a "Mintyman" and a "Celticman". next, no doubt, their cousin Batman will turn up. Roll Eyes


But who is the Joker, the Riddler or Mr Freeze?


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How does any of this rhetoric effect any of us? How many complaining were in the Marines and have a beef? I do not think that subject is pertenint to the rest of us.
How many here lost money investing with Miller?
Who has a gun on order with Miller that has not been delivered?
Is answering any of these questions on this forum going to fix their issues? NO!

Discussing this certainly does not enlighten us further to typical informative dialog on this forum.

Who cares???

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Hi Mintyman, I'm John, who may I ask are you? bewildered


He won't answer....because he is a.....



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I suppose that I am misinformed: I thought that the only decoration which was a Federal offense to possess, or, to claim that one had been earned, without earning the award was the Medal of Honor.
 
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Yes, you are misinformed. Research the Stolen Valor Act, circa 2005.


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How does any of this rhetoric effect any of us? How many complaining were in the Marines and have a beef? I do not think that subject is pertenint to the rest of us.
How many here lost money investing with Miller?
Who has a gun on order with Miller that has not been delivered?
Is answering any of these questions on this forum going to fix their issues? NO!

Discussing this certainly does not enlighten us further to typical informative dialog on this forum.

Who cares???

EZ


It is people with this sort of attitude that con men rely upon.
 
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How does any of this rhetoric effect any of us? How many complaining were in the Marines and have a beef? I do not think that subject is pertenint to the rest of us.
How many here lost money investing with Miller?
Who has a gun on order with Miller that has not been delivered?
Is answering any of these questions on this forum going to fix their issues? NO!

Discussing this certainly does not enlighten us further to typical informative dialog on this forum.

Who cares???

EZ


I simply can't believe the post above! Has everyone in this country lost all sense of right and wrong? Those citations where given to honor the winner for an act of valor, it doesn't bother you that some piss ant walks around claiming to be a hero? It makes no difference if you have been in the marines, or in fact any branch of the service the theft of valor is a crime, and the bastard who steals it should be prosecuted.


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I simply can't believe the post above! Has everyone in this country lost all sense of right and wrong? Those citations where given to honor the winner for an act of valor, it doesn't bother you that some piss ant walks around claiming to be a hero? It makes no difference if you have been in that marines, or in fact any branch of the service the theft of valor is a crime, and the bastard who steals it should be prosecuted.


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