ATF reclassified antique guns

20 August 2016, 21:10

209jones

Saw a post from Vintage Guns on Facebook the other day, ATF has changed the rules on antique guns. Essentially, if it has a receiver and takes an "easily available cartridge", it now falls under ITAR regs, age being irrelevant. That includes re-barreled guns. Apparently, there is now a list of cartridges covering it.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/f...ol-act-definitions-0

21 August 2016, 01:35

Canuck32

So does this mean a lot of double rifles that don't have manufactured in US ammo available now antique status?

If you have that much to fight for, then you should be fighting. The sentiment that modern day ordinary Canadians do not need firearms for protection is pleasant but unrealistic. To discourage responsible deserving Canadians from possessing firearms for lawful self-defence and other legitimate purposes is to risk sacrificing them at the altar of political correctness."

- Alberta Provincial Court Judge Demetrick

21 August 2016, 01:38

buckstix

Hello 209jones,

A call to the BATF has confirmed that the conventional ammunition restriction, applies to "replica" firearms, not original antique firearms manufactured during or before 1898.

21 August 2016, 02:40

Grenadier

The link 209jones provided goes to a very unhelpful ATF Guidebook. The law is here: https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/...tI-chap44-sec921.htm

The law has not changed. Don't believe the handy Guidebook. It is a misprint, deliberate or otherwise. The link to the law in the Guidebook also takes you to the US Code.

The difference is one word. In the Guide the word "and" has been substituted for the word "or" as written in the law.

Guide book: "The term “Antique Firearm” means:
A. Any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; and

18 U.S.C., § 921(A)(16): "The term “antique firearm” means—
(A) any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; or

ATF cannot change 18 U.S.C. It is US Code and not a regulation so it takes congress to change it.

The bastards are getting sneaky so know the law.

21 August 2016, 20:13

209jones

I wonder what it was that he thought had changed then, seeing as that is what he does for a living. He stated that it would be more work for him to bring the guns he imports, into the US because of it. I thought it seemed strange, that I couldn't quickly spot any other notices on it.
But, I figured I'd pass it on, seeing as it may be something that people might need to be aware of.

21 August 2016, 21:49

boom stick

Maybe the idea of change the books before you change the law to have some kind of screwed up precedent?
I would never put anything past these guys. You could get arrested by the book but freed by the law and then have your life turned upside down not to mention costs involved.

21 August 2016, 22:53

CowboyCS

Antique as used in reference to the NFA and the GCA is defined by law. Only Congress can change the law.

This was discussed a few days ago in this thread:
http://forums.accuratereloadin...9411043/m/4881080422