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JPK you are absolutely correct. "IF" nothing goes wrong! If that happens as mentioned above in my QUOTE!

Yes, the proceeding is equally interrupted with two triggers or a mechanical single trigger when a missfire occurs or a spring breaks rendering a barrel unable to fire.

Moreover, the proceeding following a reload is also equally interrupted, mechanical single trigger or two triggers. Neither the two trigger shooter nor the mechanical single trigger shooter will at that moment know the source of the failure to fire, bad round or broken rifle.

There is no real difference, bad round of ammo or broken spring, one mechanical trigger or two triggers.

JPK

The use of any barrel configuration or number and type of triggers is a choice, and no matter what some say, there is a difference! My choice is a S/S with double triggers, and I believe that is following the KISS factor. (KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID! )

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Originally posted by MacD37:
5seventy do you think, for one minute, that an inertia single trigger that is not selective is a good idea on a dangerous game rifle? If you do then you are not as smart as you claim to be!

What a load of rubbish, I have never suggested anything like that.

Perhaps if you spent more of your time actually reading what someone really said, instead of all the insults and name calling, we would all be better off.

Here's what I did say on the first page.

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Originally posted by 5seventy:
My preference is for 2 triggers, but having said that, I really don't have any problems with the single trigger systems.

and..............

Mac,
I totally agree that 2 triggers are the best way to go on any double rifle, and especially so for dangerous game.

Try and stick to the facts please.

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Originally posted by 5seventy:

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Originally posted by MacD37:
5seventy do you think, for one minute, that an inertia single trigger that is not selective is a good idea on a dangerous game rifle? If you do then you are not as smart as you claim to be!

What a load of rubbish, I have never suggested anything like that.

Perhaps if you spent more of your time actually reading what someone really said, instead of all the insults and name calling, we would all be better off.

5seventy, I didn't say you said anything like that, that was a QUESTION!

You are the one who needs to read and stick to the facts, instead of taking things out of context or reading things into a sentence that suits your dislike for me personally. These things ??????indicate that sentence before it is a QUESTION.

I just wanted your opinion on the question I asked. That is my whole objection to single triggers. If something goes wrong they require far more practice to have the fix to be instinctive when dealing with an emergency situation, than simply changing triggers.

5seventy I was unaware of many things you made clear about the way the different single triggers work, and I thank you for that. That however doesn't change the reason I do not recommend them on a dangerous game rifle. The double triggers, and a manual safety IMO, are the simplest format to become proficient with for most people, and again IMO, less likely to get the shooter into trouble.

I fail to see what your objection is to that concept!

I think if I totally agreed with you, you would still find something to call me out about!
It seems you have made it your life's work to pick anything I write apart. I think you should share a little bit, and let someone else chew on me for a while.

I really have no idea why you follow me around but it has become a little tiring. I would assume you think I'm the only person on the world wide web that has ever made a mistake. I suppose there are people who simply do not get along but the thing to do in that case is stay away from each other. That seems to be a lost concept for you where I'm concerned.

..............................................................It's a mystery! Not pleasant one but a MYSTERY!

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Originally posted by MacD37:
That however doesn't change the reason I do not recommend them on a dangerous game rifle. The double triggers, and a manual safety IMO, are the simplest format to become proficient with for most people, and again IMO, less likely to get the shooter into trouble.

I fail to see what your objection is to that concept!

Yep, proof positive that you don't bother to read.
I DON'T have an objection to your concept.
I stated quite clearly that I AGREE with you on 2 triggers for DG!
Here it is again just for you.
See if you can read it this time.

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Originally posted by 5seventy:
Mac,
I totally agree that 2 triggers are the best way to go on any double rifle, and especially so for dangerous game.

Each to his own, but I'm not sure why any sane human being would want to do this.

I love the double and have used them a lot, are they needed?, I really doubt it in todays world with a PH and others around to fill in the cracks when things go wrong..The old elephant hunters probably needed them but many used bolt guns..I like both bolt guns and doubles.

I like the option of having a solid or a soft at my disposal with my doubles, and thats important, I don't like the idea of sticking a soft up an elephant or buffalos butt as he retreats from a solid shoulder hit, and thats important, can't do that with a single trigger gun, but you can with a double or bolt gun..

I see no advantage to single trigger double rifles or shotguns for that matter, and I see several disadvantages..I don't even care for the optional safety that allows me to fire either the lower or upper barrel on a Browning O/U but thats personal, it works fine...At one time Browning had a double trigger system (intercepted triggers??) that would work as a single trigger or double trigger on either barrel, it was a great set up but apparantly very expensive to produce so they discontinued it..I had one and loved it, but some guy wanted it more than I, another mistake on my part. I wonder why it was never used on doubles, probably just something else to break and the beauty of a double rifle is that you have two single shots tied together and not much to go wrong.

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Originally posted by 5seventy:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MacD37:
That however doesn't change the reason I do not recommend them on a dangerous game rifle. The double triggers, and a manual safety IMO, are the simplest format to become proficient with for most people, and again IMO, less likely to get the shooter into trouble.

I fail to see what your objection is to that concept!

Yep, proof positive that you don't bother to read.
I DON'T have an objection to your concept.
I stated quite clearly that I AGREE with you on 2 triggers for DG!/B]
Here it is again just for you.
[B]See if you can read it this time.

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Originally posted by 5seventy:
Mac,
I totally agree that 2 triggers are the best way to go on any double rifle, and especially so for dangerous game.

Your post above doesn't prove I do not read, but in fact proves you always evade committing to answering a question! My question in blue below didn't ask what your preference was for two triggers! What it asked was;

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By MacD37 5seventy do you think, for one minute, that an inertia single trigger that is not selective [B]is a good idea on a dangerous game rifle? If you do then you are not as smart as you claim to be!

Please show me anywhere in that question I asked you for your preference for two triggers! I didn't fail to read your comment about agreeing with me on TWO TRIGGERS. I asked if you believed it was a good idea to have a non-selective inertia single trigger on a dangerous game rifle! You didn't fail to see MY question either, but just like twisting my words. 5seventy you are troll and a master of the straw-man creative editing and evasion of questions.

That is too bad, because you have a vast knowledge of double rifles that could help folks who are new to double rifles and some long time users of double rifle like myself who simply misunderstands some feature of a type of double rifle they have little experience with. It is not a sin against GOD to misunderstand anything!

ie; I have never liked O/U double rifles, nor have I ever been drawn to a single trigger, mechanical, or inertia, selective or not, on any double rifle regardless of chambering, but especially on a double that would be used to hunt dangerous game. That was my whole concept in my original post. It is true that my understanding of the inertia single trigger was flawed, but that was not an intentional misleading on my part, requiring a pontificating response from you!

Instead you take a pontificating adversarial tack when you correct anything that is stated even because of a misunderstanding of fact. 5seventy nobody knows what he/she doesn't know! However that is no reason the belittle them to make yourself look good with sarcastic remarks.

You know that if you do that enough it will finally cause trouble, because when you twist people's words sooner or later they will respond to your straw-man style of fishing with artificial bait. I believe that is the only reason you came to AR from Nitro express in the first place a couple of years ago, to simply cause trouble here!

Ga-day Mate!

Well, lots of insults and allegations in the above post.

Mac, I HAVE answered your question regarding my opinion on single inertia triggers for DG. I said (in an earlier post) that I have never suggested any such thing. I'll add that I never would. It's a ridiculous question!

Regarding my previous post, I was responding DIRECTLY to YOUR quote which is shown in my post.
Yet again you have been busy typing insults instead of reading what I was actually responding to.
I have NOT twisted any of your words.

Regarding your "misunderstanding" of single triggers, you have been preaching that misunderstanding for at least TWELVE YEARS that I am aware of.
You've plastered it around the internet on dozens of posts, in multiple threads, and on various websites.
Any time anyone has ever mentioned triggers on DR's, you jump straight in.

I remember trying to steer you in the right direction on single triggers at least 10 years ago, but you simply ignored it.

Between then and now, I know others have tried to set you straight on single trigger operation, but you chose to ignore them as well, and continued with your "misunderstanding" right up until this thread.

What I find most amazing is that after 6 years or so of owning a single trigger double rifle, you still had no idea whether it was fitted with a mechanical or inertia trigger!

I takes what, 30 seconds to drop a pair of snap caps or fired cases into the chambers, and try the trigger to determine what type it is?

If you spent less time insulting people and more time checking that what you post concerning double rifles is true, I think we would get on a lot better with each other.

5seventy at least this was a well written and in your mind a FAIR assessment of me!

I could answer every one of your accusations but it would do nothing positive because you would still stalk me like a blood hound.

I will answer one of what you consider so AMAZING that I have owned a single trigger double for six years and still was not aware of the type of trigger it is fitted with.

That rifle was collected by me and it was a month before I could get any ammo to shoot it. When I did shoot it I fired exactly 8 shots @50 yds in it, and it became immediately clear that the rifle had not been regulated. The rifle was replaced in it's case and stored away. I contacted JJ to regulate it, and he wasn't interested in regulating it. It has not been fired since. There was no reason to find out anything else about the rifle. So I simply took the $3K loss and forgot it because it was too late to return it to the guy who stuck me with the DOG!

I truly wish we had gotten along better, because double rifles are a place where there are so many misunderstandings about them and picking one or two things out of a whole long post causes the rest of the post to be smeared as totally WRONG. I think you will not find a post even by long time double owners, where there will not be some often posted misunderstandings of how double rifles work. I think you may be the only person on earth who never makes a mistake!

I personally know people who have been shooting double rifles for 40 or 50 yrs who do not know what a true regulating load should be! Hence, they believe if they have all bullets hitting the same hole at the distance engraved on the standing rear sight it is regulating properly. You and I both know that is not true. That means the rifle is crossing at that range, and is the reason many think a double rifle is useless past 100 yds.

It makes little difference what your opinion of me is, I'm not going anywhere, and if you intend continuing being my editor, be my guest but you will be posting to yourself!

................................................................... BYE!