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Originally posted by tomo577:
jeffe

i learned early on that you cannot hunt and take pictures at the same time. you do one or the other, not both.

so when i hunt, i hunt.

pictures of trophies come later .. then it is picture taking time.

hmm, someone help me out here.. looking for a point... TOmmy, if you have a gun totting your rifle, another one finding your game, and a third one watching out for simba and poachers...

well, what do YOU do?

jeffe boy - i do what i do best

i am the shootist

all the rest is just support

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Originally posted by tomo577:
i am the shootist

figures... most of the rest of us are hunters... shooters are another bred of cat

Hey Jim,
You will just have to come over to Texas and shoot mine when it gets in.

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Originally posted by tomo577:
surestrike.... i wonder what you are trying to say..... but haven't the foggiest. is it something to do with a rocky mountain high ?

Hello pussy cat...

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Originally posted by tomo577:
400 and rusty

the last driven boar hunt i was on was in estonia and i used a borrowed merkel 9,3 double
on the 20 ga frame. i got two. don't ask how many got away that group of hunters has embraced the new 9,3 from merkel .there are 5 guys that traded in their bolt guns for them.

Let's see. When you first posted here, you were trying to sell the flyweight .577, saying you were selling off your double rifles because you had been diagnosed with congestive heart failure and couldn't hunt anymore. Now you claim a boar hunt in Estonia...very recently, as the 141 is a new model.

Study your choices carefully and let us know which lie is true.

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yes i do know paul and all about how his love of african hunting that kept him from tending the store. if it wasn't for his girlfriend i doubt he would have had anything left to sell.

I thought so. I know some of his competitors, guys who know him well, and know the story of the sale. This version of yours is an outrageous lie and is beneath comtempt.
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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else is just burns gunpowder."

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Originally posted by tomo577:
re: roscoe's string range report
don't you guys have any tongue in cheek humor ?

re- read it

Well, your ignorance IS humourous, as is the pretense that you intended it to be.
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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."

400

FOR YOUR INFORMATION THE 577 WAS AN SCI SHOW GUN I BOOUGHT FROM BUTCH. IF YOU HAVE NEVER SHOT IT HOW CAN YOU TELL WHAT IT REACTS LIKE ? FROM THEORY ? OR FEAR ?

THE MERKEL 9,3 ON 20 GA FRAME HAS BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME - IT IS NOT NEW.

MY HUNT WITH THAT RIFLE WAS IN 2004

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Originally posted by tomo577:
400

FOR YOUR INFORMATION THE 577 WAS AN SCI SHOW GUN I BOOUGHT FROM BUTCH. IF YOU HAVE NEVER SHOT IT HOW CAN YOU TELL WHAT IT REACTS LIKE ? FROM THEORY ? OR FEAR ?

and the story grows.

BERTRAM BRASS

If you were shooting superior ammo loads PRE 2004, your loads would chrono at 1875FPS.. which makes you shooting a CUSTOM 10.5# 577 nearly believable. That Butch did that for SCI? horsehockey, as it is UNSHOOTABLE of 750gr at 2050 at that weight

call larry and ask him, then call butch and ask him, then call ROSS and ask him...

and then you can ask me how *I* know.....

because I was a crashtest dummy for the bertam loads to be developed into 2050fps Loads... my friend's rifle (in which I've shot a TON of .585 750gr bullets from .. from 1850 to 2050)..

funny enough, over MY chronograph as well as my friends..


and gave that load data back to butch and Larry

1875fps aint's 2050 with a 750gr bullet

So, you haven't actually shot a 577 NITRO load, much less in a 10.5# gun.

I dont' ahve to shoot your rifle to know what a rifle feels like...

but, oddly enough, as tony informed you, i do have some familiarity with heavy recoiling guns...

and my 550 express, 10.5# 700gr at 2150 is a load equilivant to a 577NE full house load...

and I use that gun to break water jubs with...

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Originally posted by tomo577:
400

FOR YOUR INFORMATION THE 577 WAS AN SCI SHOW GUN I BOOUGHT FROM BUTCH.

Doesn't pass the smell test. That would mean Butch built a spec .577 at 10.5 lbs, as opposed to a custom gun for someone without a lot of sense that he got paid up front for. That wouldn't have been very smart. I think Butch is sharper than that.

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IF YOU HAVE NEVER SHOT IT HOW CAN YOU TELL WHAT IT REACTS LIKE ?

I've shot .577s of normal weight. 10.5 lbs is STUPID, unless it's a light nitro gun or a BPE.

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FROM THEORY ? OR FEAR ?

Oh, great psychology dimwit.

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THE MERKEL 9,3 ON 20 GA FRAME HAS BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME - IT IS NOT NEW.

MY HUNT WITH THAT RIFLE WAS IN 2004.

Try to concentrate, bubba. We weren't talking about the 140. We were talking about the NEW 141 on the 28 gauge frame. You stated that it was the hot item in driven boar shooting now. So, from the above quote you WOULDN'T know if it's the hot item for driven boar shooting or not, because you haven't even seen it used.

On a more positive note, I've got a great new signature line for you. It's the last few lines of a humourous bit of doggeral I remember from when I was a kid.

The last lines run: "...and if you don't believe this lie is true, just ask the blind man. He saw it too." It's YOU, bubba, it's YOU!
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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."

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Originally posted by 400 Nitro Express:
I've shot .577s of normal weight. 10.5 lbs is STUPID, unless it's a light nitro gun or a BPE.

AMEN!!!

Ignore still works guys. I never shot a SBS anything myself. The biggest double I have shot is a 9.3X74 in my 412S. That is a pussycat with 285 gr Prvi RN,CCI LR Magnum primer, and 52 gr IMR4895 all in a Norma case. Guess I'm no longer in this hunt. but I can still say Packy

400,

Pleasse find another "nick name" for tomo. You are abusing the word Bubba, when you are talking to tomo.

Keith

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by tomo577:
just goes to show that despite some good knowledge of double rifles you are still a texas bubba unwilling to look at what is happening today.

TOM, I have tried to stay out of you two guys little name calling tirades, but when you bring TEXAS into it, in a negative way, then you are seriously pokeing a sleeping dragon, with a sharp stick!

Your takeing of this BUBBA thing is wrong. Your assigning a negative conotation to it, seems a little elitest to me,when the meaning of BUBBA is simply short for Brother, and in Texas is a term of edearment!

My sugestion to you is, if you guys want to get personal, then keep it personal, and leave Texas out of it! If you bring Texas into it, you are including a lot of people, who couldn't care less about this little contest, and would take offence to your slurrs, me included! I and the rest of Texas have no bone to pick with anyone, so please leave us out of your personal shit fests!

On a serious note, I always thought/think of Bubba as a negative as it is really the only way I have seen it used.

Is it safe to assume that using bubba is only exceptible between fellow Texans or Southerners?

Something tells me that a Northerner probably is not allowed to use the term.

It kind of seems like the term yankee, to me "yankee" is someone from New England only. It seems southerners use it for anyone north of them. To me calling someone a Yankee from say Michigan or Ohio is inaccurate.

Thanks!

Geoff

"Yankee" is not a term of endearment when used by a Southern Gentleman to describe one from the North. In fact, in the South, "Yankee" is a four letter word...

400

ask butch yourself about the 577

nobody really cares what you think, esp me

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nobody really cares what you think, esp me

Wrong, again!

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nobody really cares what you think, esp me

Dead wrong.

Tom, you have done your best to alienate, one by one, just about every member of this board. That may not have been your intention, but that is the result.

Most folks here have been more than patient with some of your off-the-wall diatribes, and have at least to this point given you the benefit of the doubt.

You have used up just about every ounce of credibility you came in here with, and I would urge you to take a hard look at yourself in the mirror.

Any damage done here is self inflicted. No one to blame but yourself.

Since most of us here appear to be well below your level of knowledge and experience, perhaps you should consider different waters to ply your trade. I for the life of me cannot understand why you continue to participate here when you obviously hold most of us here in contempt.

Take my comments for what you will, since they have been made by a "bubba" from Texas, who, in your mind, will someday become sophisticated enough to start wearing shoes and start breathing through my nose.

Update on photos.

I have recieved some photos that Tomo sent me. I will try to post them here this weekend but since they are in a different format than what I'm used to it might take some more time.

The phots include trophy shots with presumeably Tomo and different rifles and animals from elephant to lion to roe deer.

JPK

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Originally posted by GeoffM24:

On a serious note, I always thought/think of Bubba as a negative as it is really the only way I have seen it used.

On a serious note as well, I'm sure that is the way you've seen it used, because in my experience, that is the way most northerners, used it in my presence, and when employed that way it is certainly not a compliment, to a southerner! Though Texas Is not considered, by Texans as being a southern state, but the begining of the south west. It is in cluded in the mountain states.

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Is it safe to assume that using bubba is only exceptible between fellow Texans or Southerners?

Something tells me that a Northerner probably is not allowed to use the term.

You are correct again, to some degree! There is nothing wrong with anyone useing the term, as long as it is properly used, no matter where you are from! The proper term is only meant to asign a realtionship of brotherhood, between friends, or actual brothers. Another term that has been taken to be negative in recent years, ithe term "RED NECK"! This term has come to mean some sort of TRASH, and the term acutally means a Farmer, or rancher, a hard working man who works in the sun of the southwest, hence, face being shaded by the hat, but the neck becomeing more tanned, or red from dirrect contact with 300 days per year of sun in Texas. The red neck is the mark of a proud man who works hard to support his family!

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It kind of seems like the term yankee, to me "yankee" is someone from New England only. It seems southerners use it for anyone north of them. To me calling someone a Yankee from say Michigan or Ohio is inaccurate.

Thanks!

The term YANKEE was a nickname given to the settlers in America, by the British soldiers, way back. you are correct that it was restricted to New England, origenally, as when we got our indipendance, then we called our selves Yankees, and New Engalnd, was all there was. By the time of the civil war, the country had been setteled much farther west of New England, And the northern states that staied union, became Yankees. The derogatory conitation to the word Yankee, came with the civil war, and that is the term today, and means anyone North of the Mason/Dickson line, and east of Kansas! Everything west of that line, north to south are either westerners, southwesterners, or northwesterners. even today. The reason for this is, when the civil war started the confederacy ceceaded from the union, and became Rebels, and those still in the union, remained Yankees, and are still associeated with the carpit baggers who came down south to steal everything that wasn't nailed down durring reconstruction, leaving a bad taste in the mouths of the South.

I really don't think, today, it matters at all, I have friends all over the world, and I judge people on an individual basis! EVEN YANKEES !

Gee, I only wanted to comment on Chapuis rifles but it took me 15 minutes to get to the bottom of the posts. I for one think Chapuis is a much better rifle than a Merkel. Yes, I am a dealer for Chapuis through Eurogun Imports. I think the Chapuis is better made, for instance the firing pin bushings that Heym Krieghoff and Merkel do not have. Personal preference is for Chapuis' wider forearm and thicker pistol grip. Just an opinion of course. I used to sell Merkel but not any longer.

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Originally posted by Charles Prince:
I for one think Chapuis is a much better rifle than a Merkel. Yes, I am a dealer for Chapuis through Eurogun Imports. I think the Chapuis is better made, for instance the firing pin bushings that Heym Krieghoff and Merkel do not have. I used to sell Merkel but not any longer.

I'm not going to say which of these is the best,because they all are good, but if you used to sell Merkels, you didn't look them over too well, because they deffinetly DO have bushed fireing pins! I have nothing against the Chapuis rifles, they are very good rifles,except for your perference of Beavertail fore-end, and a grip that is too fat! It seems, in this case, you are simply mistaken! Addtionally, the only Heym, I am aware, of without bushed fireing pins is the new PH model, and they may be bushed from the inside .

All of the brands you mention are well made, and all are very well regulated, and accurate! The last thing, ACCURACY, may be the Chapuis' shining star, because all of them I have seen, seem to be very accurate, but lately there have been a couple with not so well regualted barrel sets. Here, I will say, Chapuis took care of the problem, and replaced the rifle!

I think the "Mine is better than your's" opinion, is not backed up, by the facts, in my experience with all these brands! They all have things that are better on one or the other.

MacD37,
Small addition to the evolution of the term 'redneck'. It actually came from (according to an English professor of mine and my brother whose Phd is in linguistics) the fact that farmers in the south plowed with mules and the plowline was one piece and was looped over the head and therefore rubbed the neck which became red. At that time farmers traditionally wore bib overalls and no shirt. These plowlines were large cotton rope and the mules were trained to respond to gee and haw for right and left turns and the head was raised to pull on the plowline to stop. I have watched my grandfather plow many a furrow that way. It has become a derogatory term in modern times.

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Originally posted by zimbabwe:
MacD37,
Small addition to the evolution of the term 'redneck'. It actually came from (according to an English professor of mine and my brother whose Phd is in linguistics) the fact that farmers in the south plowed with mules and the plowline was one piece and was looped over the head and therefore rubbed the neck which became red. At that time farmers traditionally wore bib overalls and no shirt. These plowlines were large cotton rope and the mules were trained to respond to gee and haw for right and left turns and the head was raised to pull on the plowline to stop. I have watched my grandfather plow many a furrow that way. It has become a derogatory term in modern times.

I absolutely agree with that as well, and like you I've watched my grandfather plow that way as well, back in the late 30s he was still plowing with very large plow horses, on our ranch's 40 acre feed field,and for my grandmother's 3 acre garden field! The rest was cow pasture! Good times, and good, and honest people! You can call me a redneck any time you see me, but put your hand out for a hand shake when you do it with a smile on your face!

"If you , pay your debts, feed your family, stand by your word, and don't steal, "YOU MAY BE A RED NECK!" BUBBA!