I would like to know how your double rifles shot with respect to the center position of the rear sight when you just received them new.

Question:
How did the shoot?
1-HEYM
2-VC
3-Krieghoff
4-Searcy

C=center B=left A=extreme left D=right E=extreme right ABCDE
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center

Choices:
1-a
1-b
1-c
1-d
1e
2-a
2-b
2-c
2-d
2-e
3-a
3-b
3-c
3-d
3-e
4-a
4-b
4-c
4-d
4-e

 

Chapuis ??

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Originally posted by The Norwegian:
Chapuis ??

OK,make that no.5 and Merkel no.6
I am more interested in a vote without the owner identifying himself.

George, against my better judgement, I'm going to answer. I hope this isn't another of your fishing expeditions to start throwing crap, but I'll answer in the interest of those who may really be seeking information on double rifles.

For some reason, all 4 of the double rifles I've owned or own, all print about 2 or 3 inches to the right at 50 yards. Letting a few friends shoot my rifles, they shot spot on, but there is something about the way I shoot or hold the rifle that causes them to shoot a bit right. This has been the case with 2 VCs, 1 Chapuis, and 1 Merkel. All the same.

A small adjustment of the rear sight to the left corrects it, and I do mean, a very small correction. No locktite required! See below:




500NE, VC, 50 yards, prior to moving the sight:



After moving the sight as depicted above:



500NE, Merkel, I think this was 25 yards as it's been awhile since I owned that rifle. In any event, this was prior to moving the sights over.

So Todd that makes yours a 2d.Thanks for your honest reply.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
So Todd that makes yours a 2d.Thanks for your honest reply.

Yes, a 2d and on both VCs. Aaron Neilson owned the 577 before me. You might ask how it shot for him personally. If dead on, that will help confirm it's something in the way I hold/fire the rifle.

Spelling tutor to aisle one! (again)

A note to participants- please be honest.There is no fun unless things concerning rifles and shooting are this way and its all about having fun.

My regular irons were centered, but an inch or so low for me. The peep, when installed, was about 2" left, good on height.
That was on a K-gun. And the front sight is adjustable in height. There is a small screw on the bottom of it.

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Originally posted by 209jones:
My regular irons were centered, but an inch or so low for me. The peep, when installed, was about 2" left, good on height.
That was on a K-gun. And the front sight is adjustable in height. There is a small screw on the bottom of it.

An inch at 10yds is equal to about a foot at 25yds so it is important to use a reference.

My Chapuis 8x57 JRS at 40 meters 2 inch high and 1 inch to the right ! Have not shot more than 34 rounds in late September - so not very experienced.

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An inch at 10yds is equal to about a foot at 25yds so it is important to use a reference.

I sense a fake vote for the Heym.

poll .. not pole .. just saying

Since 25yds is 10yds X 2.5 then:

1" spread @ 10yds = 2.5" spread @ 25yds

Also

1" spread @ 10yds = 1' spread @ 120yds

I can't answer until you change the OP to POLL. Spelling is important to me.

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by 209jones:
My regular irons were centered, but an inch or so low for me. The peep, when installed, was about 2" left, good on height.
That was on a K-gun. And the front sight is adjustable in height. There is a small screw on the bottom of it.

An inch at 10yds is equal to about a foot at 25yds so it is important to use a reference.

On what Planet?

If POI is a foot left at 25yds it might only be an inch to the left at around 10yds.If you dont know this you have just learned something new.

If 1" left at 10 yards and 1 foot left at 25 yds , then what is it at 100 yds?

Nick

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Originally posted by nickh:
If 1" left at 10 yards and 1 foot left at 25 yds , then what is it at 100 yds?

Nick

Good question Nickh - this is totally rubbish from George. As a former competition shooter in my younger days you know that 1 cm ( approx 0,4 inch ) at 100 meters ( 110 yards ) makes 3 cm ( approx 1,2 inch ) at 300 meters ( 330 yards ) etc ... It is not possible for 1 inch to become 1 foot in only 15 yards... simple mathematics !

Guess you'd best add a yardage spec to your "pole" there, George. For your computing pleasure it was 50 on the irons and 100 on the peep.
And that was off a standing rest.
How much holdover and windage did you calculate for the Searcy, past 10 yds to hit at 50? Did you file your front sight to mildot size to make it easier?

Sorry, George, but that is not so. If the POI is 12" left at 25yds then it is 4.8" left at 10yds. If you double the distance then you double the deviation from the centerline. If you triple the distance you triple the deviation. If you multiply the distance by 25 then you multiply the deviation by 25. Conversely, if you halve the distance you halve the deviation, etc. You are probably just trying to over-think it.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
If POI is a foot left at 25yds it might only be an inch to the left at around 10yds.If you dont know this you have just learned something new.

Someone needs remedial math as well as remedial spelling lessons.
If it's me, kill me now.

Hilarious!
Wait for the statistical analysis of the results of this "pole." That requires some math too.

Todd, Aren't you sorry that you answered this?

I'm waiting fro his alter ego to show up and claim him to be the messiah next.

The POLL is going good!

This is a very important Poll to me.I know that there will be some error in the Poll but it will help myself and others who are planning to buy a double or just dreaming to.We are people who like to make the least mistakes possible.A double that cannot shoot straight from the start has little value to us!
Where are the Krieghoff owners?

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Originally posted by shootaway:
This is a very important Poll to me.I know that there will be some error in the Poll but it will help myself and others who are planning to buy a double or just dreaming to.We are people who like to make the least mistakes possible.A double that cannot shoot straight from the start has little value to us!
Where are the Krieghoff owners?

Probably getting their thumb tendonitis treated caused by the cocking mechanism.

Merkel 140 .500 Nitro Center but 3" low.
Merkel 140 .500 Nitro Center
Merkel 140 9.3x74R Center
Merkel 140 .375 H&H 4" low 2" left

Krieghoff 470
Dead center.

Nitro

Ok,, jeeze, Krieghoff 450-400; dead center. Krieghoff 9.3mm: dead center.
Now will you change the damn spelling of "Poll"?

Chapuis UGEX 9,3 x 74 r... test target received with rifle showed both barrels about 1" high... my first paper target shot with irons printed both barrels 1" hi at 25 yds..

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Originally posted by dpcd:
Now will you change the damn spelling of "Poll"?

It's the French spelling.

Poles are the specialty of polecats.

My wife told me that she saw my pole at 10 yards and it still looks like an inch at 25 yards! Oh, well.

Dutch

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

Where are the Krieghoff owners?

Probably getting their thumb tendonitis treated caused by the cocking mechanism.[/QUOTE]

Lets see if we make it to 50 votes.

No, I believe in French it would be "liste des électeurs" or perhaps simply "questionnaire."

Life is better with him and his buddy on the ignore list.

One interesting thing that shows up in this poll is that when a double no matter the make doesn't shoot center it shoots to the right. I suspect that the cause is that some shooters have a tendency to pull the rifle to the right while the rifle's barrel regulator doesn't. Probably. the most common cause of hooting to the right is the shooter using the trigger finger first joint rather than the trigger finger pad to press the trigger. When you use the finger joint it is difficult to pull the trigger straight back. Of course, if you pull right consistently it makes no difference in the out come if you adjust the sights to compensate for it.

465H&H

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
One interesting thing that shows up in this poll is that when a double no matter the make doesn't shoot center it shoots to the right. I suspect that the cause is that some shooters have a tendency to pull the rifle to the right while the rifle's barrel regulator doesn't. Probably. the most common cause of hooting to the right is the shooter using the trigger finger first joint rather than the trigger finger pad to press the trigger. When you use the finger joint it is difficult to pull the trigger straight back. Of course, if you pull right consistently it makes no difference in the out come if you adjust the sights to compensate for it.

465H&H

What rubbish.If you do not know about shooting dont mislead others.