Hi gentlemen ,a friend and client offer me a greener 475 ,can you inform me how much i have to pay .He isnt sure of selling it but im trying to convince him .I would use it for my water buffalos safaris .

What a no frills beauty!!!

I am no expert.

If it was me I would first check the rifle with an expert. Make sure it is on face, hinge pin is fine, bore is ok & that it is correctly regulated.

Does it fit you? How well do you shoot with it at the range?

I would not buy a nice looking DR and find that after 10 shots my cheek is sore and my fingers have taken a pounding. That happened to me shooting Sam's Chapui 470 - just 2 shots!

If the rifle ticks all those boxes, then I would talk to AR members and check actual sale prices (not asking price).

IMHO British doubles are not as strong in price as they were 3 or 4 years ago.

The popularity of the Heym & VC seem to affect the market.

This is just an opinion of someone who does not own a DR!

Opinions and dreams are free!

Good luck to you.

sir: I would offer 20k. It is a great looking double. My wife is fond of the inletted greener side safety. I love the markings on the rib.

I think that price is about 6k below what Champlain (sp) in Oklahoma would price the rifle based on similar rifles I have seen on it. If it is worth it to you; you never pay too much. I hope you and your friend can come to terms.

This assumes the rifle is clean. The picture shows you shooting, so I believe you are confident that it is.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
sir: I would offer 20k. It is a great looking double. My wife is fond of the inletted greener side safety. I love the markings on the rib.

I think that price is about 6k below what Champlain (sp) in Oklahoma would price the rifle based on similar rifles I have seen on it. If it is worth it to you; you never pay too much. I hope and your friend can come to terms.

This assumes the rifle is clean. The picture shows you shooting, so I believe you are confident that it is.

Holy smokes! 20K? I think that much less than half to be the fetching price. IMHO the dreaded Greener safety is a big negative. Just saying...

Mr. Double Don:
I bow to the more knowledgeable. I just repeat what I see and read. But I have never seen a clean English large bore Nitro Express boxlock priced lower than that. Notice I said priced. I have seen 450/400s and priced in the 10k range but most are 15k.

I hope the gentleman gets the best price he can. But yeah I think 15k-20k cash on the barrel head to be the going rate. You can see the greener side safety in the picture. My wife bought a 20 bore greener with that safety. She loves it. (I concede different application than a dangerous game rifle). I do think it interesting from an engineering stand point.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Mr. Double Don:
I bow to the more knowledgeable. I just repeat what I see and read. But I have never seen a clean English large bore Nitro Express boxlock priced lower than that. Notice I said priced. I have seen 450/400s and priced in the 10k range but most are 15k.

I hope the gentleman gets the best price he can. But yeah I think 15k-20k cash on the barrel head to be the going rate. You can see the greener side safety in the picture. My wife bought a 20 bore greener with that safety. She loves it. (I concede different application than a dangerous game rifle). I do think it interesting from an engineering stand point.

Sir, so sorry for my unvarnished response. It was off the cuff. Opinions vary and I much respect yours. I did not wish to offend. Stay well.

In my very limited and humble opinion I beleive the Greener's were robust and very accurately regulated rifle. I have an 1908 model in .577 and it has been a very fun gun to own and use.

Before setting a price one should know if tight on the face, bore condition, any history with the rifle, working order, case and accessories, brass and dies, and which .475 cartridge it is.

If all the above is positive, a dealer will ask 20+ for the Greener, and a private sale 15-ish, + or - some. Actual selling price will be between the two figures. It also depends how much the buyer wants it and how much the seller wants it gone.

.475 no2 generally is more desirable than the .475 straight 3 1/4.

From my experience as the garbage man.
Cal

Hi gentlemen ,after hours and hours shooting pidgeons doves and the big double ,and several gin tonics we dont have an agreement yet .Cal it has a wood case and tools but he doesnt find it ,his father bougth it in London previous a long safari ,killed lion and a big tusker with it ,huge to be honest .
I need a double ,althoug i fired my mauser 458 winch or my saddle gun the marlin guide gun 4570 very few in the latest years ,i believe i would be happier guiding water buffalo with a double so im after a good working rifle .

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
Before setting a price one should know if tight on the face, bore condition, any history with the rifle, working order, case and accessories, brass and dies, and which .475 cartridge it is.

If all the above is positive, a dealer will ask 20+ for the Greener, and a private sale 15-ish, + or - some. Actual selling price will be between the two figures. It also depends how much the buyer wants it and how much the seller wants it gone.

.475 no2 generally is more desirable than the .475 straight 3 1/4.

From my experience as the garbage man.
Cal

Right on the money! Double rifles are a bit depressed right now--top quality guns always will be sought after and bring a premium. If it was tight and the everything was square--I think 13K to 16K would be very square deal. I just passed on a really nice German guild gun in a 500/465 at 9k...7-10 years ago it would have brought 15K without blinking a eye.

I agree with 505ED, for what my 2 cents are worth. I owned a Wilkes 475 No2 with the .483 bore. The Jeffrey has a .488 bore and then there is the 475 3 1/4. So, make sure which .475 caliber it is first as Woodleigh makes projectiles for all three and cases are available as well. Wonderful caliber. John Hunter used one regularly.

Juan, my friend, you REALLY need that rifle!


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As an aside . . . nice to see someone (as shown in the pictures) hold a double they way they are supposed to be held.

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Originally posted by MJines:
As an aside . . . nice to see someone (as shown in the pictures) hold a double they way they are supposed to be held.

I don't know. Looks backwards to me.

Jim ,bro ,i trying to buy a good double for my water buffalo hunts .I used this for my classes but i cannot convince the owner to sell it .Leo Pfadt has a VC that used when he was attacked buy the lioness ,trying to convince him too .
I need a double im getting old besides Julio can carry it ....what you think Im trying to learn everything about them trough my clients .SGraves 375 brouth tons of ammo in his merkel 375 and i shot a lot .Trying to get Graemes Wrigth book and will contact Cal to learn more .

its a 475 3 1-4

jeje Saint Exupery grunts know how to handle a rifle

Juan, the .475 3 1/4 NE is basically a .450 NE necked up to take a 480 grain .483 bullet. Be advised, slug the barrel to be 100% sure on an old rifle like this..

This round is supposedly credited to Cogswell & Harrison about 1905 - 1908..

The cartridge is a bit uncommon, perhaps the most uncommon of the .450+ family, but it is as capable as the rest of the .450 - .476 NE gang..

Kynoch and Wolfang Romey (Germany) makes modern ammo and Bertram and Horneber makes cases.

Woodleigh make round nosed soft and solid 480 grain .483 bullets..both Kynoch and Wolfgang Romey load these bullets.

Too much problems ,i ned a rifle to carry while hunting water buffalo and cebues ,and shoot quite often ,i believe a 470 or a 450 would be better .
Perry Newman will send me Shooting the british double thank you bro .Ill try to get a rifle in USA or Europe .Have to ask Cal first his the expert .

How much is the seller asking?

He doesnt want to sell it for less than 30000 us ....

Sir:
I am sorry you could mot come to terms with your friend. A new girl will come along, care for you, and love you with time. She maybe even make you forget the one or ones that got away. I know mine did.

I think, that unlike Bill Clinton, he has been inhaling. Let that one go. I'd tell him to eat it and have a nice day. Way over priced!! As LHeym500 said "a new girl will come along".

I can use his rifle but have very few brass and old ammo i ll buy a VC ,Heym or Krieghoff .

I know where there is a gold name WR for around 26k that I would rather have than that...decent gun--but I'd pass for 30k...

Ed

Prices on English doubles are dropping or stagnant. Be patient and you will find the best one for a good price. His price is double what that gun is worth. Just my 2cents.

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Originally posted by Dutch44:
Prices on English doubles are dropping or stagnant. Be patient and you will find the best one for a good price. His price is double what that gun is worth. Just my 2cents.

That's what I am waiting for you old coots!

Looks like Greener Empire action
Need to see barrel flats and watertable and barrels in front of flats (underside).

Nitro

He must be a Trump supporter who thinks he has something made of Gold! LOL!

I would not pay a cent over $15,000

Remember that the caliber is not very common or popular and you may find it hard to sell.

If you can afford $15k you are better off getting a Heym in 470NE or 450 NE.

Or even a round action VC - they look very sexy.

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Originally posted by juanpozzi:
He doesnt want to sell it for less than 30000 us ....

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Originally posted by juanpozzi:
He doesnt want to sell it for less than 30000 us ....

If this is true, he will have it until he dies. So over priced it is hard to put into words. Unless, of course, it is $30,000 Zim. Then it's fine.
Stay away from this one. Share this thread with the owner to open his eyes. You can find a fine vintage double from the UK for the same money. If you want modern, Heym is fine, VC offers more for the money IMHO.
Cheers.
Cal

Cal ,Hes a very good guy ,but i believe he doesnt want to sell it because it was used by his father .Im sure that if i give him 30k he will put some excuses .I read several of your articles and advice to other hunters so im trying to look for a good VC or Heym second option .Here is very easy to find Don Haeths favourite the Krieghoff but i prefer the VC.

Sir: I only bring this up because you mentioned it. There is a Heym ph2 with light boarder engraving for sale on this forum. The rifle is posted in the classified section and noticed in this (the double rifle section). I think the poster is Ebrownw2. However, I am not sure of th name.

The seller is selling dies and ammo to the buyer of the rifle dirt cheap. I tried to buy the goodies seperate but he did not take me up on the offer.

Biebes posted to Heym (older phs on gunbrocker) for 12500 a piece. They were a 470 and 500. One had a red dot installed. The only catch was they were left handed, but a 12k you could have Heym restock the one you bought for you and be in for a good price. Think 15k and under. The auction ended with no buyers, but Biebes link takes to the page and you can see the seller's contact info. More reason for the seller to haggle in my opinion.

Good luck. You will find the one. The shopping/dating is half the fun right.

Hi yes this is a very good ofert i need a friend to buy it and then bring it when he came to hunt .
If i import it ill have to pay 50 percent taxes .Besides waiting a lot .But this is the best for me im a left handed shooter .

I realized about 10 minutes after I made that post importing may create an issue. I appolgize for my ignorance. If you can make it work sounds like the right find for you. Best of luck. When you find the one please show her off to us.

Juan- I am perhaps trying to figure out a buffalo or red stag hunt in Argentina. And if it is legal to do so I could bring your double from the states for you. Just a thought.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Searcy 450-400 listed in the classifieds. I'd contact Butch Searcy and see what could be arranged with restocking the gun for a southpaw. Buy the gun and have a trusted US client bring the gun to you on a hunt if such things are legal in your country.

http://forums.accuratereloadin...1078981/m/7051014522

I did not bc when I made my post it was not yet posted, and since it was at the top I thought it would be seen. The rifle is 12 k with out warranty or 14k with warranty. It is a grade above field grade and looks great.

He would still have the import issue. I think Mr. Searcy would restock it to left hand at a resonable price. Just type butch searcy doubles into web search function and his
Contact info comes right up or
PM him.