fla - Which actual edition is this one? Where would one pick up a copy? Thanks.

Larry Sellers
SCI(International)Life Member
Sabatti 'trash' Double Shooter
R8 Blaser
DRSS

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Originally posted by fla3006:
A very proper double rifle. There is an article in the current issue of Double Gun Journal on reloading the 475 #2.

Damn fine rifle Cal! I'm looking forward to seeing it!

Brett

Cal,
Wonderful side lock double in a very classy calibre! Look forward to seeing how she shoots .

Cheers mate!

Nick

I'll Take it!

Now what did I do with that gold bar

Larry, Double Gun Journal, Volume 25, Issue 1, Spring 2014, Reloading the Oddball Metrics & Others, Part X, J.C. Munnell. Some news stands carry DGJ or you could probably order a copy.

Beautiful double Cal , let us know how she shoots. Congratulations.

C-L-A-S-S

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Originally posted by steyrsteve:
C-L-A-S-S

Thank you, Steve, for the recognition of my rifle and thanks from Shootaway for recognizing him with the last three letters.
Cheers mate.
Cal

Cal I really like the way the forend timber is shaped around the lever. Whilst i don't find the levers on mine any problem, that is very nice.

Cheers, Chris

Awesome rifle Cal!

Nice score!!! You must really be living right, to find and carry away a beautiful piece like that. Congrats.

Gents:
I'm back from a successful turkey hunt in Kansas.
Here are a few more photos for you: a full length shot (almost), the breech open, some ammo that came with the rifle (note is for Jeffery rifles and therefore can't be used in this Scott), and a 30 yard target. Breakup is here and Lake Pappas is now my driveway and the snow is too mushy to walk on so 30 yards it is. I only had 7 bullets of the correct .483" diameter so I took three shots to play and get the feel of the trigger pulls and four in the target (over a standing rest).
Thanks, all, for your kind comments. It is indeed a beautiful rifle (even though Shootaway says it is junk) and will prove to be quite accurate. If any of you fine double rifle men want to join us for our first shoot you're welcome on May 31.
Cheers,
Cal

Wow Cal...looks like you have a gem there!!!

Ed

Sweet!

Yes, I need another vacation in Alaska. Site of the shoot used to be my "home" public range, IIRC.
Still Izaak Walton League?

http://www.kynochammunition.co.uk/475%20No2.htm

Wow

Wish i could make your shoot!

That's some stash of ammo there!

best wishes, Chris

100% right RIP! It's aka know as Birchwood.

Beautiful rifle! Congratulations!
a few years ago Judge G had some .483 woodleighs.

Nice boat anchor, I'll pay top scrap value ....
One of my favorite actions, strong and elegant!
Good luck.

Very nice indeed Cal. So all that ammo can't be used in your rifle? I suppose you can trade or sell it for the correct stuff. I take it the difference is .483 v .488?

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Originally posted by jorge:
Very nice indeed Cal. So all that ammo can't be used in your rifle? I suppose you can trade or sell it for the correct stuff. I take it the difference is .483 v .488?

Jorge:
Yes, you are correct in the diameter of the bullets. I'm afraid I'm stuck with the ammo as it is difficult and expensive to ship ammo to/from Alaska. (A gent in the lower 48 wants to buy an original box of 25 4-bore shells and I can't ship them to him). In the interim, I'll get some Woodleigh bullets and have a bit of fun.
Cheers,
Cal

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
In the interim, I'll get some Woodleigh bullets and have a bit of fun.
Cheers,
Cal

What???? No CEB's?

Cal Trade?

No extra charge for the custom hose clamp forend hook....

surestrike,
How much boot would you require of Cal if he wants to trade?
Selling point: That hose clamp is a good attachment point for string or sling, so Cal won't have to "African Carry" it on safari.

quote:

Originally posted by fla3006:
Larry, Double Gun Journal, Volume 25, Issue 1, Spring 2014, Reloading the Oddball Metrics & Others, Part X, J.C. Munnell. Some news stands carry DGJ or you could probably order a copy.

I read the DGJ article on the Victor Sarasquetta (Spanish gunmaker) .475 No.2 Nitro Express.
That double rifle is a 1955 vintage, acquired by author in 1983.
Weighs only 8 pounds and 13 ounces with 24" barrels.
One typo (surely) in a caption with picture of rifle says:
"... having fired many rounds out of the under eight-pound (sic) Sarasquetta,
I question why a lot of British 'elephant' guns were made as heavy as they were."

Good Reasons for Reloading:

"Fortunately the gun came with with some of the original Kynoch ammunition and a handful of fired cases.
The latter proved virtually useless, thanks to the corrosive effects of both the old Berdan-type primers and Cordite
and the fact that the cases had not been washed after firing.
I did manage to chronograph a few of these old rounds, and they gave 2165 fps--almost precisely as advertised.
Almost all of these cases split on the initial firing."

The article is excellent in describing author's travails with finding 90 more rounds of original Kynoch ammo at London's H&H premises,
with help of friends, getting it shipped to him,
and then the fun begins with pulling the old stab-crimped bullets (I suspect the Vise Grip method, not detailed),
throwing away the Cordite,
killing Berdan primers with several drops of "oil" in case left standing for several days ...

Wamadet brand hand tool, hydraulic depriming tool, was used for the Berdan primer removal, with water and the "smart rap of a hammer."

Then annealing the case necks before reloading.

He dipped the case necks in 3-In-1 oil, then held the case necks in molten lead for twelve seconds, then quenched in water,
washed in soapy water, rinsed thoroughly in water, then dried the clean cases in toaster oven at 150 degrees for 2 hours.
He claims 8 reloads with no case splits after that.

Or cherish the Kynoch ammo and get Bertram brass and Woodleigh bullets. RCBS and CH4D for dies and shellholder.

Author claims to have found happiness with 500-grain bullet and 106 grains of IMR-4895,
and half a packing peanut as filler, yielding 2217 fps:
"Two shots from each barrel produced groups of two inches at 50 yards ..."

(Author does not clearly state how far apart those two-inch, two-shot "groups" from each barrel were.
If all 4 shots went into two inches, I would call that a group, not "groups."
A properly labeled paper target photo could have cleared this up!)

Must have been a .483-caliber/500-grain Barnes Original, made back in the 1980s,
though his rifle was apparently regulated for 480-grainers, best I can tell.
Apparently .483 was the more common caliber standard used by the likes of W&C Scott and Son, H&H and such,
while WR used .488 or .489 for their proprietary version.

The article following Mr. Munnell's:

"Devil Stoppers"
The 4-Bore
by Ross Seyfried

quote:

surestrike,
How much boot would you require of Cal if he wants to trade?

If Cal is willing to go with my rifle and about $500 trillion Zimbo dollars we would be in business on this trade.

I'm not a jealous man but I'm a jealous man.

Dutch

Damn! My mind must be slipping. I forgot to show you some of the gold plated parts. Whilst it is wearing thin, you can see the gold. The hammers are gold plated, too. Just makes it better and better.
Cal

posted 19 April 2014 08:44 Hide Post
Damn! My mind must be slipping. I forgot to show you some of the gold plated parts. Whilst it is wearing thin, you can see the gold. The hammers are gold plated, too. Just makes it better and better.
Cal

Have you pulled the locks?

I have read that Gun Makers would Gold Plate or Gold Wash lock parts and ejector parts of guns that would be going to the colonies or to areas of high humidity where they may or may not see the care that were required of them.

Sorry for my lack of comprehension, I see the Hammers are gold plated.

Zephyr:
I have not pulled the locks but a former owner did. I don't even turn a screw on my old doubles. Yes, that is the reason many makers plated internal parts but it was not a common practice.
Cheers,
Cal

Cal, this is gun porn of the highest order. Do you have no shame? BTW, it's a beauty!!

I have a Joe Lang 12b that has key detachable side locks the hammers only are gold plated. Once cleaned up a wall hanger for a friend mid 18th century Damascus hammer gun pulled the locks for fun every thing was plated gold it was like finding hidden treasure quite spectacular.

What a lovely rifle Cal.....a great find...and sidelock..

We need to do a .475 african hunt, buff, ele whatever....

Nothing beats these old english doubles...!