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Hi, New to the sight. I have spent the past several says reading you guys info. I need a really good book to grasp it all. Point of my post. Wanted a double as long as I can remember. My wife/4 kids/parents/inlaws are all going to chip in to get me a DR. I told them they cost about 40-50 new. I thought I would go for the moon. They didn't balk. I'm about 8 mos out. Please give me your best argument for make and caliber. I am giving myself a trip to Africa next year. Look forward to your post and harassment. Chris DRSS | ||
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Value conscious? Primary focus? From what I have gleaned here, and elsewhere; one of the .45 caliber rifles is the most bang for the buck and usability. Rich | |||
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Wow, with a $40-50K price range, there are lots of options. I would start shopping here: http://www.champlinarms.com/Default.aspx?tabid=30 That .500/.465 Holland and Holland looks really nice, you just need to talk them up another few thousand. Mike | |||
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If you want ENGLISH Made and BRAND NEW I urge you to speak to TREVOR PROCTOR: www.ttproctor.com - he does it all except he hires the same engravers as H&H use. For caliber it depends on the number of elephant you'll go after. Four, five, more, go 500 NE. One, two or three elephant and that's it, then it's buff, hippo and what ever, 450/400 3 inch under 10 pounds, even if it's just a half ounce under. Can't be sure about the elephant count, 470 NE will likely be best for resale time, 450 NE allows for an endless list of bullets. THIS LOOKS WELL WORTH INVESTIGATING: http://www.champlinarms.com/De...StyleID=3&GunID=1438 Jack OH GOD! {Seriously, we need the help.} | |||
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Before spending that much I would recommend some research. Check out Safari Press website, got lots of books. I'm sure you could get some recommendations from guys here as well. I'd even consider a trip to Champlin Arms in OK. They have a website as well and they are a fount of info. Good luck! | |||
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been reading about English DR. They seem to be the most classic and coveted. Obvious I have a lot of research to do. I want to get a cashiers check from my family before I buy. Not sure I trust them....I know them too well. DRSS | |||
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If you can, go to the Dallas Safari Club Convention or SCI Convention in Reno in January, and handle a wide variety from several makers. Heym, Searcy, as well as English doubles. There is the widest selection at these venues and since it is a large and one time investment this is what I would do. Caliber, the 450/400 3" is hard to beat for Buffalo, Plains game and even Elephant, with the larger calibers being a bit on the more expensive side to shoot as well as dealing with the recoil Searcy can put a talley rail on your barrels for a quick release scope and can build a second set of barrels to make a two caliber gun or even with a set of shotgun barrels for bird hunting | |||
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40-50K!!!  This could be fun helping you spend their money! I hope your close to Yazoo City so I can come see this beauty once she is in your hands!Double Rifle Shooters Society | |||
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Hey, I live in Madison and have an office in Clinton. I'll keep you posted as things progress. DRSS | |||
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Dude...you have aircraft at your disposal....its all close to Yazoo City! ****************************************************************** R. Lee Ermey: "The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." ****************************************************************** We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!! 'What the hell could possibly go wrong?' | |||
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You don't say where you live but if it is in the USA, then with a budgit like that, I'd get down to Enid, OK to Champlin's and walk through his gun vault, and coon finger every thing ha had. He is a class act, and is the larges volume double rifle dealer in the world, and if you want a good double rifle he will put on one that you can depend on! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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I don't think you'll need any help turning 40!!! I think it will happen on its own. Check this out: http://www.gunsinternational.c...glish.cfm?cat_id=104 With that kind of budget you really have room to work!!!! There's a Wilkes .475 #2 on page 1 and a Scott .475 #2 BLE on page 2 that make my mouth water!!! The Army & Navy .470 BLE isn't bad either. Not to mention all the "extranious" Hollands and Westley Richards!!!! Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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I'll second Trevor and then there is Keith Thomas, as well. Dutch | |||
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Thanks for the help. Fellow mississippian has been a wonder. Plan on seeing some of you at least, at the Dallas SCI and the Texas shoot. Keep the info coming. I am keeping a book of sites and info that I can grasp. You guys are way ahead of me in ballistics. I'm a duck hunter by trade and looking to branch out. DRSS | |||
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Defintely take a look at Champlins, but don't overlook a new Abiatico & Salvinelli (Farmars) Webley long bar type actioned rifle. If you even think about elephants, go with the 450NE 3 1/4" for a new rifle, or something between 450NE and 476WR for a second hand rifle. One problem is that you may not discover a hidden drive to hunt eles until you have feet on the ground in Africa - that's what happened to me. No elephants in your future? Go for a 375 or 450/400, either will work on an ele, but will be more versatile. JPK  Free 500grains | |||
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CHHOMS, congratulations!!! May I suggest for $40 - 50K getting two DRs? Take the Wilkes .470 as the ultimate in awesomeness for $38K. Then, as a truck gun to toss underneath the seat for pot shots at coyotes and crows, pick up .375 H&H for $8K. http://www.champlinarms.com/De...StyleID=3&GunID=1626 Better yet, offer them $42 for both!! I envy you! | |||
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I'm envious too, and shocked no one has mentioned the obvious. Get a new Searcy and then use the rest of the money to kill a buffalo with it. Enjoy the search. Dean ...I say that hunters go into Paradise when they die, and live in this world more joyfully than any other men. -Edward, Duke of York | |||
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hey, I have been recommended to get a quality used rifle for a lot less and make sure that I like the caliber and style. Then look to get a new one. Seems to hold water. What do you think? DRSS | |||
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Sounds like a nice spot of trouble to be in.
I think you should get out to *at least* a Safari Club convention and/or the Dallas club convention *and* get to at least ONE DRSS shoot/hunt and HANDLE and SHOOT as many double rifles as you possibly can before you choose. --Then-- Start your relationship with JJ at Champlin Arms and get out shopping for a good, solid KEEPER, whether it's a new or a used rifle. Cheers Tinker _________________________________ Self appointed Colonel, DRSS | |||
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SCI Dallas or Reno would be a great place to do some "hands on" shopping. Rich wish I had your predicament to deal with. | |||
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CD, your statement about getting a used double as your first one is spot-on. Why dump the money into the "gun of your dreams" before you've ever even tried a double, much less hunted with one. Like shotguns, fly rods, and magazine rifles, you will develop very specific likes among the many and varied features and brands. If the folks are willing to pool the money into your own "double rifle fund", then you can take it at your own pace. If you settle for a "first try" double, like a Chapuis, Merkel, Krieghoff, etc, who knows if the $40K will be available as you move towards your final choice. The lower-priced base models are also easier to sell to other "1st-time DR buyers" as you move up the quality/price ladder. | |||
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The more that I look the more that I realize I really need a 200k budget. I am going to Dallas SCI with fellow MS. Should be an eye opening experience. DRSS | |||
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Go to Champlins, with 3-5k in your pocket, and SHOOT some of these .. Butch Searcy www.searcyent.com will make you a FINE rifle for 20k, and the other 20K will buy you the safari of a life time. Turning 40 is a good thing ... as the alternative from being 39 is NOT making 40 opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I would start here http://www.lechner-jungl.com/i...sidebysiderifle.html Seloushunter Nec Timor Nec Temeritas | |||
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Does anyone know about Rigby since it moved to USA? I have read very conflicting accounts of their quality. DRSS | |||
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Oh lordy!!!!  I have yet to handle one, but what I hear over and over from a variety of sources is they aren't comparable to pre war or Paul Roberts/Pre US Rigby rifles. Not close. They tend to be heavy for calibre and the lines and look of them are anything but classic English. They also seem to be over priced due mostly to the Rigby name (not Rigby quality). Search for a recent thread around August/September about a new Rigby opening in England. In the thread there are a lot of comments about the California Rigby, El Rigbero, or Mexican Rigby (take your pick). Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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Found it for you: http://forums.accuratereloadin...0101804/m/6741051411 Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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Damn, I walked into that one! Just finished reading the entire link. I think I'll let my kids sort that one out. Thanks for the help. Still would love to have any pros/cons from anyone who has opinion on any DR. DRSS | |||
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Martini and Hagn have a very nice 470NE in a ph model 88B Heym new in box for a very good price. I believe it is about 16,500 canadian. The rest of your money could be better spent on the hunt it self. | |||
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no need to wait for your kids to sort it out. http://www.americanrifleman.or....aspx?id=1974&cid=25 best regards peter | |||
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Thanks for the link. I realize that you work with JRL. I have tried to access your website for more info/pics of your London office and the DR's produced there. I realize that it is a long process, but do you have an idea as to when more info/pics and firearms for sale may be available. DRSS | |||
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CDHOMS we are building them as fast as we can at the moment, and i will try to be better at posting pictures from the bench, i should be abel to show you a b-class medium caliber soon and we have 4 rising bites on the tabels right now, we are having a new website on the way, but everything is a matter of time and we try to focus most of that time into gunmaking. if you PM me a e-mail adress, i can send you a few pic's soon that are just in the white guns, but i try not to post those pictures on the forum's best regards peter | |||
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 Peter here's the picture from your link! That is a very nice looking double rifle sir! .....................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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mac i wish i could take the honor of that rifle, but as far as i can see, it is a prewar boxlock in very good condition. we only make sidelocks with the prices starting from 10.000,-£ which should make around 16-17.000,- us$ i didnt know about the article until a friend told me about it. but it is nice to have people who know about gunmakers work to give you the thumbs up about what you do. best peter | |||
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Peter, Do you offere case coloring? Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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Peter, What would a C grade with case coloring run? Would you do .450 No2? Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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Brett, I'm afraid that Cal has ruined you for life! first it's one, ( I know I can stop anytime,) Then there's #2 soon followed by #'s 3,4,5,6,7,8 You're hooked! NRA Life ASSRA Life DRSS Today's Quote: Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a free cell phone with free monthly minutes, food stamps, section 8 housing, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime. | |||
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Yeah I've been hooked for a while, but handling the "Old English" took me from critical condition to terminal!!!  Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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