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Too close to 450NE to make having both worthwhile?  Too much for whitetails, black bear, African plains game?  Inadequate for whitetails, black bear, African plains game?  Empty spot in the safe while waiting patiently for my 600NE. Doing my best to resist the urge ... but it's like being at a wedding 3 hours after eating a whole plate of black beans ... some things are simply unavoidable. You just pray the distractions will keep others from noticing ... or you can blame it on someone else ...  NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | ||
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"Too close to 450NE to make having both worthwhile? "NOT A GOOD REASON TO STOP YOU FROM BUYING ANOTHER DOUBLE - and it's wrong !!!! "Too much for whitetails, black bear, African plains game? "CAN NEVER HAVE TOO MUCH GUN - or FUN !!! "Inadequate for whitetails, black bear, African plains game? "PLENTY ADEQUATE "Empty spot in the safe while waiting patiently for my 600NE." NOW WE ARE TALKING !!! LOL "Doing my best to resist the urge ..." GIVE UP NOW, DON'T TRY TO RESIST, IT WILL JUST TIE YOU IN KNOTS. That's just my HO !!! . | |||
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Doc, you will love one. The recoil is lots less then the 450 3.25 inch. That is why so many guys like them very easy recoil. Mike | |||
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I have owned my 100 year old, vintage A. Hollis & Sons 450/400 for 14 years. It's still great fun to shoot. Small enough to hunt hogs, & Axis deer and big enough for whatever steps out of the long grass. The new Searcy and Heym 450/400 3 inch rifles with 26" barrels are not only well made, they are beautiful! Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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I have a FAMARS 450/400 on the way with 26in barrels. After shooting one awhile I can think of no better caliber to hunt with from elephant on down. Very shootable, and easy to handle. At 10lbs a joy to carry to boot!!! Ed DRSS Member | |||
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450/400 with a nice 1x4 in QD mounts and the 450 with open sights.....what's wrong with that combo? Of course, the 450/400 is probably a great single gun safari..... Gary DRSS NRA Lifer SCI DSC | |||
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The nicest wood I have seen one to date is at the Boise Cabela's. 2KuduHunter and a friend and I drooled all over one this afternoon. Ejectors, $5500. Rich DRSS | |||
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More pleasant to shoot than the .450. Less meat destruction on whitetails and black bear than the .30 caliber magnums. Plus (and most important) the .450-400 is way cool! Because of my old eyes I mounted a Swarovski 1 1/4-4x 30mm on my Harrison and Hussey ble and have taken lion, leopard, hippo, croc, a dozen plains game; and caribou here in AK. And, my rifle has a great history, too (google Douglas Jardine) Buy one! Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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do you plan to run its orginal ballistics? if so, check what bullets are available and impact velocities. a woodleigh sp 400gr .423" with a MV of 2100fs will reach the minimum impact velocity at 80m. (yes, i know the 450/.400 don't use a .423", but it serves as an example). | |||
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Stefan How do you work out the 80 metres ? That's loosing 200 - 300 fps in 80 metres ? . | |||
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I'll take a .450/400 over a .450 NE anyday- one of the great african rounds. Recoil is moderate (less felt recoil than many .375's I've fired) and so folk shoot it well and it puts a deep penetrating bullet down range at the optimal velocity for the woodleighs to really perform...what is there not to like about it? | |||
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Agreed... Rich | |||
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Silly boy. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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It's a sissy caliber! No,it's a fine caliber for about everything except if ele's are ALWAYS on your African menu to hunt. Not that it won't tip over a pacaderm but it's not the best choice for the job. The recoil is mild and probably the best DR caliber one could take to the range for 30+ shot sessions. I'd love to have one but my nice little 88B Heym in 375 that weights 8 lbs does a fine job of filling that spot and cost much less to shoot. "An individual with experience is never at the mercies of an individual with an argument" | |||
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You are a very fortunate man. I should have kept mine. A 9.5 to 12 lb. 450/400 is a boat anchor. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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450-400 is a wonderful cartridge. I have a Webley action London gun in 450-400 3 1/4 and it will be the last double I get rid of. It weighs around 10 lbs and is perfectly balanced. Have shot several whitetails with it and would like to take it to Africa some day. It is the finest shooting double I have shot. It will shoot under an inch at 50 yards if I do my part. It will shoot 300 and 400 grain bullets in the same group. I have also used 41 magnum 210 grain bullets in it for plinking. A joy to shoot. The only advantage a 450 has over it is bullet availability. Sam | |||
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Are you talking about availability or different bullet weights ? Re availability, only for those that can't pick up a pick up a phone and order them. Bullets have been readily available for the 450/400 for years, has never been a shortage. . | |||
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I just meant that there are so many .458 bullets around to shoot cheaply and so many different weights. Yes you can order most any bullet you want for a 400. My gun is .408 groove so less choices. Sam | |||
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If Sabatti/Cabelas would make their 7.2 pound rifle with ejectors in .375 Flanged Magnum, all would be right with the world!  ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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 especially as I know you don't belive anything under .577 is suitable for duiker let alone Elephant | |||
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.408 doesn't limit you to just .408, you can shoot .410 / .411 bullets in it. I can understand the cheap side of it, but we are talking DR's which does limit to an extent the bullet weights you can use anyway. And just how much shooting do you really do ? You still have quite a few to use - Woodleigh, Hornady, NF and that is just for starters of the top of my head. . | |||
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And Swifts. And probably others. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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ccmdoc it is the best allround caliber in the double rifle world, except off course the 12 bore the recoil is very nice and the tractory of the bullet, makes it the big brother of the 375 H&H in most cases, if you have it scoped it will actually be the gun you will keep chosing for when you are out walking your rifle in africa. just remember to make the mounts a QR option. best peter | |||
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If it's bigger than a duiker, I'll be using my 600NE double anyway  NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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Will, When I win the Searcy raffle, that is exactly the caliber I will request!  NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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Exactly the reason that I picked up a Sabatti in 450NE. I have a 450 Marlin and 45/70 so already have plenty of projectiles with which to play. Of course now I have yet more reason to buy even more variations on the 458 theme  NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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Interesting thoughs -ya'll have just made up my mind. I was looking at either a .375 or a 416. The 450/400 was interesting but I didnt know much about it. Looks like it will make a great match with my .338WM Alaskan. Thankseven though I didnt start this thread I learn a lot from following along.  | |||
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CrossL, Come donw to the Hoot and Shoot October 23rd. There will be plenty of doubles to shoot including my 450/400 3 inch. Try one see if ya like it! Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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I didn't mean to stir stuff up about bullets. The are just a lot of different types of .458 bullets out there and some were really cheap at one time. The 450-400 is a great cartridge and will shoot lots of different bullets including 41 magnum pistol bullets. So there! Like I said my 450-400 will be the last gun I sell. Sam | |||
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 My new Searcy 450-400 feild grade double. A pictures worth a thousand words. Brad | |||
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Brad, that is a long pencil you have !!!! | |||
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Rusty, Thanks for the invite, If I am not shipping cattle then I will try to make it down. Where can I find more info on Hoot and Shoot? | |||
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Cross L, Here is a link to the Hoot & Shoot Thread on this forum. If you need any other information my email addy is on my profile. October 23rd, Hoot and Shoot! Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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Rusty Thanks SSR | |||
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I shot a clay target on the bank with that rifle! Sam i thought that was going to become my first DR soon!!!  Damn now i have to wait until i am 100 years old to lay my hands on it "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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Who's name is on it ? 2 out of my 4 are Webley Long bar actions, they are great guns. . | |||
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Given your collection of DRs along with Corbin's & others you must be shooting over 500 rounds a year through the DRs. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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I have both and they are not close. Especially in recoil. I have not shot any real DG with them, though. Just hogs. Yes, .40 cal bullets are more $ than some .458s (not DGS/DGXs) but it is much easier to shoot. I can't get my .450 regulated yet with 350 grainers. yet. | |||
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500N, It is a London Sporting Park and Nakihunter has tried to talk me out of it but it ain't going to happen anytime soon! dpcd, I have several good loads for 300 to 405's and I'll look them up for you. Try the same powder charge that works with a heavier bullet. This usually works perfect! | |||
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