I did; the Hornady 350s cross fire 3 inches at 50 yards with the load that shoots 480s into 1.5 inches or less; 82 grains of 4250.

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Originally posted by dpcd:
I did; the Hornady 350s cross fire 3 inches at 50 yards with the load that shoots 480s into 1.5 inches or less; 82 grains of 4250.

How does it shoot 400gns ?

Also, did you modify the load for the 350's
once you found them cross firing ?

Just try some 3oo grain bullets. They should shoot close to the same POI as the 400 with same charge. It really works!

My 450-400 3 1/4 loves 73 grs RL-15 with a 300. Try reducing your charge by 2 grains at a time until they come together. Also 82 grs of 4350 sounds a little hot. My gun regulates perfectly with 75 grs 4350 with 400 gr. It also regulates with 81.5 grs of 4831with 400 gr.

Sorry we were talking about a 450 weren't we.
OK the 450's I've worked with liked 84 grs RL-15 and 300 or 350 gr. They liked 93 imr4831 with 405 gr.

Srose

Here are the photos you sent.

Thank you Michael for posting them for me. I still haven't figured out how to do that yet.

Sam

Sam

You are welcome. I will go over it with you when I have more time and sort you out on the photos. It's easy. Took me awhile to sort it out too.

M

OK Michael, Thank you again!

Sam

Ooooh!!!! I am in love....again...!!!

That rifle handled better than any woman in my arms! Even if it was just one day and a few shots.....

Thanks Sam for the experience ...and the Blueberry wine!

Nakihunter,I knew that would get your attention!

srose,

There will be a number stamped on the inside left of the forearm loop. If you'll post or pm that number I'll be able to give you a good idea of the year it was made. The number is small and hard to see.

That number is Webley's serial number and will usually but not always be different from the retailer's serial number. For example, my Evans retailed Webley built guns have the Evans numbers engraved on the tang but my Manton retailed Webley has the Webley # as its serial number.

On early guns the Webley number is on the short rib.

470 Evans, Thanks I'll look at that and see what I find.

Sam

I’d say the double rifle that I wish I still owned was an Army & Navy 450/400NE 3” extractor rifle built on a Webley action. I absolutely loved that rifle. I could almost shoot that rifle blindfolded it fit me so well. My rifle weighed in at just under 10 pounds with 26” barrels, and balanced perfectly. Will likes sheep hunting rifles and thinks 10 pounds is too heavy for a 450/400 double. I disagree, it is about perfect of any double rifle from 375 up through the .450s Hell most of my bolt rifles from 338 win mag up are in the 10 pound range.

If I had to live with only two double rifles for everything in the world, they would both be box lock rifles, one chambered for 450/400NE 3” fitted with QD scope bases, and two, flip-ups, 50 and 100 yds and the other a 500NE with standing sight cut for 25 yds, and a flip-up cut for 100 yds!

Sorry we were talking about a 450 weren't we.
OK the 450's I've worked with liked 84 grs RL-15 and 300 or 350 gr. They liked 93 imr4831 with 405 gr.[/quote]
Yes, I am not sure how my .450 got into this; probably need another thread. Anyway, 500N, I have not tried 400s nor have I done any more work on it. I want to use 350 Hornadys. I will try the RL15 and 4831 loads. Srose; Thanks for the info.

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Originally posted by dpcd:
Sorry we were talking about a 450 weren't we.

My question is why is this thread titled: "Thoughts on the 450/400?"

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by dpcd:
Sorry we were talking about a 450 weren't we.

My question is why is this thread titled: "Thoughts on the 450/400?"

Because I asked if it were worthwhile to get one given that I already have a 9.3x74R Chapuis, a 450NE Sabatti and a 600NE Verney-Carron. I got some great answers and advice and as is usually the case, someone flipped the switch and the train took an unexpected rail off the cliff.

It's right here for you:

http://forums.accuratereloadin...2711043/m/8691079041

UNLESS you must have an old Brit made rifle, an obsession of mine...

(...ala: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=856108469#856108469 )

Can someone here explain to me why Hornady only loaded their ammo at 2050 fps. What can they safetly and accurately be loaded to in a modern DR.

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Originally posted by BEGNO:
Can someone here explain to me why Hornady only loaded their ammo at 2050 fps. What can they safetly and accurately be load to in a modern DR.

Because the majority of DR's in the calibre will regulate at that speed
- and probably duplicating Kynoch's true velocity.

A hell of a lot more older DR's in 450/400 out there than new one's.

.

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Originally posted by 500N:

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Originally posted by BEGNO:
Can someone here explain to me why Hornady only loaded their ammo at 2050 fps. What can they safetly and accurately be load to in a modern DR.

Because the majority of DR's in the calibre will regulate at that speed
- and probably duplicating Kynoch's true velocity.

A hell of a lot more older DR's in 450/400 out there than new one's.

.

Yeah, because that 2050 ft/s number is in 24" barrels. If you extrapolate that up to the original 30" barrels, the velocity may be about the original 2125 ft/s, if not more.

So Hornady is trying to load the ammo to original specs I would suspect.

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Originally posted by Will:
Yeah, because that 2050 ft/s number is in 24" barrels. If you extrapolate that up to the original 30" barrels, the velocity may be about the original 2125 ft/s, if not more.

So Hornady is trying to load the ammo to original specs I would suspect.

And now if the Hornady brass I have on order finally gets off "backorder" and gets delivered, I can go about cooking up some loads that duplicate that and work up and down the velocity range from there.

Then I can shoot it in the Sabatti 450/400DR I just picked up

Great move Doc; I bet you won't regret it!

Rick

Paul, did you say you need a box or two of Hornady brass? I have two I can loan you until yours gets in.

Email your snail mail addy to me at rkmojo@aol.com

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Originally posted by Rusty:
Paul, did you say you need a box or two of Hornady brass? I have two I can loan you until yours gets in.

Email your snail mail addy to me at rkmojo@aol.com

That is very genrous and kind of you, Rusty - I truly appreciate it.

Email sent,

Paul

Other than all that stuff you wrote, the 450-500 is one of the nicest DR calibers out there and everyone that uses one is sold...It does not have the power of a 450-3.25 however as you state, the 450-3.25 is in the .470 or 458 class of rifle. The 450-400 is a 416 Rem or 404 "short" or loaded down to minimum.

Loaded up a bunch of these beauties with RL-15 foam filler and a mix of 400 grain Hornady DGX and 300 grain Hornady SP.

Next day off is October 16th so the plan is for Mr. Sabatti 450/400 to take a ride with me and Mr. Oehler35P to Beaver Dam Road outside of Ellenville and increase the Pb concentrations of a certain dirt berm.

Newly scoped (Leupold 2-7x) Chapuis 9.3x74R as well as Mr. Sabatti 450NE may join the fun.

Thanks again Rusty

Hope it all works out for you!