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Hello All, The link below will take you to the build thread of this project don't feel like doing everthing twice. http://forums.nitroexpress.com...&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1 Enjoy Nitro Fixed link, Sorry ! "Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall DRSS, BASA 470 Krieghoff, 45-70 inserts, 12 ga paradox, 20 ga DR Simson/Schimmel, 12 ga DR O/U Famars, 12 ga DR SXS Greener | ||
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Your link didn't work for me. http://forums.nitroexpress.com...&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1 | |||
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BD, I clicked on the link in your post and in the opening post and both times it brought me to the thread at the other location, no difficulty. I don't know enough to help you out though. Maybe give it another try? Jack OH GOD! {Seriously, we need the help.} | |||
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450, I didn't see who you were having do the work? Please share. | |||
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Surestrike, I plan to share the gunsmiths name with everyone, I have discussed this with him. However I am unable to state anything about his work, as he has not actually started yet. The extent of his work, has been to provide me with some measurements, and an inspection report of the donor action. He also provided me some references and pictures of past work. I was able to confirm the references, but the pictures do not substitute for actual product. I feel confident enough, to undertake this project with the smith, and his communication has only strengthened this decision. However I will reserve judgment and final decleration of his identity, until I am suitably educated about his skills and abilities, in order to do justice to all. He is a member here and may decide to tune in after seeing this post. Cheers Nitro "Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall DRSS, BASA 470 Krieghoff, 45-70 inserts, 12 ga paradox, 20 ga DR Simson/Schimmel, 12 ga DR O/U Famars, 12 ga DR SXS Greener | |||
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Looks like it will be an awesome project! What was the FN sxs you were looking at? The reason I ask is that I had a sidelock FN and was told by Geoffroy Gournet that they built the double rifles on the same action. That said, the Germans built some stout guns, so I think yours will be perfect. Beautiful blank too. Are you going to do open sights or a scope? Can't wait to see the progress. ----------------------------------------- "I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. -Henry David Thoreau, Walden | |||
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Storms Open express sight, single blade. The rib will have integrated talley bases. Really looking forward to it, wish I could turn the clock forward a few months. Can't comment of the FN it was offered to me by an AR member, but my request for more info was not answered. Thanks Nitro "Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall DRSS, BASA 470 Krieghoff, 45-70 inserts, 12 ga paradox, 20 ga DR Simson/Schimmel, 12 ga DR O/U Famars, 12 ga DR SXS Greener | |||
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Oh... The suspense is killing me!!! | |||
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BTT Updated 7/14 with ammo information. Thanks Nitro "Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall DRSS, BASA 470 Krieghoff, 45-70 inserts, 12 ga paradox, 20 ga DR Simson/Schimmel, 12 ga DR O/U Famars, 12 ga DR SXS Greener | |||
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BTT, Updated on 7/21 Gunsmith has informed me I am next. He does not do multiple projects, so he will finish up the rifle he is working on then start on mine. I have been told I will be using it for opening day, Nov 15. I will keep the updates coming. Nitro http://forums.nitroexpress.com...&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1 "Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall DRSS, BASA 470 Krieghoff, 45-70 inserts, 12 ga paradox, 20 ga DR Simson/Schimmel, 12 ga DR O/U Famars, 12 ga DR SXS Greener | |||
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BTT for update. See link above. Cheers Nitro "Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall DRSS, BASA 470 Krieghoff, 45-70 inserts, 12 ga paradox, 20 ga DR Simson/Schimmel, 12 ga DR O/U Famars, 12 ga DR SXS Greener | |||
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BTT for Update on 9/7. Still no pictures, but work will start in earnest, by weeks end. I Hope. http://forums.nitroexpress.com...&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1 Cheers Nitro "Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall DRSS, BASA 470 Krieghoff, 45-70 inserts, 12 ga paradox, 20 ga DR Simson/Schimmel, 12 ga DR O/U Famars, 12 ga DR SXS Greener | |||
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Hello, Sorry guy's Gunsmith and I have some personal issues to deal with so no updates. Family comes first ! Nitro "Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall DRSS, BASA 470 Krieghoff, 45-70 inserts, 12 ga paradox, 20 ga DR Simson/Schimmel, 12 ga DR O/U Famars, 12 ga DR SXS Greener | |||
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Hi nitro Hope this finds you well and things are working out. pm or call me and we will see if we can get a time to shoot plates at my club Clint | |||
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Update 11/8/2010 Pictures added of the work done so far. http://forums.nitroexpress.com...in=162146#Post171168 Enjoy "Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall DRSS, BASA 470 Krieghoff, 45-70 inserts, 12 ga paradox, 20 ga DR Simson/Schimmel, 12 ga DR O/U Famars, 12 ga DR SXS Greener | |||
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03/02/2011 Update. Finally some good progress pictures. See link in above post. Enjoy. Nitro "Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall DRSS, BASA 470 Krieghoff, 45-70 inserts, 12 ga paradox, 20 ga DR Simson/Schimmel, 12 ga DR O/U Famars, 12 ga DR SXS Greener | |||
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Maybe by the spring shoot Clint | |||
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Update 04/01/2011 Not April Fools day, April Drool's day. Now we are getting along !!!. Link to build thread last post. Enjoy ! Nitro Next is wood work and then Regulation. "Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall DRSS, BASA 470 Krieghoff, 45-70 inserts, 12 ga paradox, 20 ga DR Simson/Schimmel, 12 ga DR O/U Famars, 12 ga DR SXS Greener | |||
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Really looking good! Keep us posted Jeff | |||
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Update 5/12/2011 Well got some update pictures. Pic.1 Extractor being reamed.  Pic. 2 Extractor being cut.  Pic. 3 New hinge pin being cut, donor gun was off face.  Pic. 4 New hinge pin installed.  Next: Put the barrels back on face make a new extractor, then wood work. Summary of work to date: Barrel blanks contoured. Old barrels deconstructed. Monoblock drilled and tapped. New barrels set into monoblock. Custom upper, lower and 1/4 ribs made. Custom front swivel and sight base made. 1/4 Rib shaped and cut for Talley rings. Barrels joined and wedge set in. Barrels struck. New extractor made and cut in. Action rejoined. Enjoy Nitro Edited: Ejector changed to extractor. "Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall DRSS, BASA 470 Krieghoff, 45-70 inserts, 12 ga paradox, 20 ga DR Simson/Schimmel, 12 ga DR O/U Famars, 12 ga DR SXS Greener | |||
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Update 05/13/2011 I also made a custom sight base to mount a Docter 3.5 MOA red dot sight. Milled down a Talley ring and tig welded a dovetail mount from a Docter Colt mount to it. So I will have a removeable Docter mount for this project. Pics of my mount.   The finished 1/4 rib on my gun.  Enjoy. Nitro "Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall DRSS, BASA 470 Krieghoff, 45-70 inserts, 12 ga paradox, 20 ga DR Simson/Schimmel, 12 ga DR O/U Famars, 12 ga DR SXS Greener | |||
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Looks like really nice work. | |||
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Looking good Nitro! Can't wait to see it down at 4K! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Mac It should be a peach on piggies. Nitro "Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall DRSS, BASA 470 Krieghoff, 45-70 inserts, 12 ga paradox, 20 ga DR Simson/Schimmel, 12 ga DR O/U Famars, 12 ga DR SXS Greener | |||
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What does something like this cost in a working rifle without a lot of embellishment? Are we talking about a ~$2K entry point or something more like ~$6K? Can these be built cost effectively to compete with a Sabatti pricepoint? I can see some advantages for use in North America versus one of the classic African styled doubles. I'm thinking this might be nicer then a low pressure .45 bore Sabatti though I may end up with a rifled barrel for a 12 gauge shotgun. Best Regards, Sid All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it. Alexis de Tocqueville The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. Alexis de Tocqueville | |||
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In my experience and opinion building DRs from shotguns, all by hand, the labor costs will far exceed rifles built in Italy on a semi/production basis. Even considering all the hand work that still has to go into one. And when you get to the big Nitros, I am reluctant to build those on shotgun actions. Most seem too small and light for long term use. I stick to smaller and/or low pressure cartridges. I know that most NE ammo is relatively low pressure, but with the large base diameter, you are putting more back thrust on the shotgun frame than I am comfortable with. Some German shotguns are an exception and I know Merkels have bee converted to some big stuff; they seem to build heavier shotguns than most. | |||
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nitro450exp - What will you use for ammo? I normally shoot deer with sabot slugs in my TCR-87 with a fully rifled 20-ga barrel. However, I have some cases made by Rocky Mountain Cartridge that I load with big lead bullets. They weight 720 grains but I had some hollow pointed on a lathe with a 3/8-inch drill for a remaining weight of 550 grains. I load the 720-grain bullets to 1,000 fps and the 550-grain hollow points to 1,330 fps. In the photo are two recovered bullets. The well mushroomed bullet was a 720-grain which was shot into a dirt embankment. The one to its right is a 550-grain hollow point recovered from a deer. It was bedded down and shot in the upper chest/lower neck and the bullet was found in the gut area after it went though some vertibre. Any lead front of the base of the hollow broke off.  | |||
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Whoops, wrong photo -- The well mushroomed bullet is not shown, only a new hollow point bullet the hollow point bullet found in the deer. | |||
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Iowadon I will regulate it with factory sabot ammo. But will be trying to work up a load similar to the one you describe. I have some 1 0z full bore slugs, I will try them in plastic hulls and some Alcan brass hulls I have. I will eventually order some rocky Mountain brass. I may have to get some slugs from you to try. What is the rate of twist in you barrel ? Thanks Nitro "Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall DRSS, BASA 470 Krieghoff, 45-70 inserts, 12 ga paradox, 20 ga DR Simson/Schimmel, 12 ga DR O/U Famars, 12 ga DR SXS Greener | |||
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Sid I will have allot less than a Sabatti into this gun. Nitro "Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall DRSS, BASA 470 Krieghoff, 45-70 inserts, 12 ga paradox, 20 ga DR Simson/Schimmel, 12 ga DR O/U Famars, 12 ga DR SXS Greener | |||
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I think your going to have a better gun than a Sabatti too.  And its unique, one of a kind, yours alone, and no one will ever show up at the range with one just like it. I like that part the most. Cheers, John Give me COFFEE and nobody gets hurt | |||
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Update 05/16/2011 Well progress will be slowing. Wood work begins, then action is off to be colored, then joining can be finished. Pic.1 Extractor being made.  Pic.2 Extractor being fitted.  New lockplate being made old one was worn beyond repair and contibuting to the off face condition. Pic.3  Finished lock plate before fitting. Pic.4.  Enjoy Nitro "Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall DRSS, BASA 470 Krieghoff, 45-70 inserts, 12 ga paradox, 20 ga DR Simson/Schimmel, 12 ga DR O/U Famars, 12 ga DR SXS Greener | |||
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Thanks Nitro!!! Just what I needed to know. Best Regards, Sid All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it. Alexis de Tocqueville The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. Alexis de Tocqueville | |||
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What i would like to know what would be an good action to used for a donor? Also the price? | |||
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big will I used a Simson. 1956 This is the same action as a JP Sauer and a Merkel from the period. It has cocking indicaters, intercepting sears, Greener cross bolt and side clips and is of the Anson Deely design. Cost is a funtion of condition. I paid under $500 for this gun. The post war German guns are well made, the pre war guns are also well made. Whatever tickles your fancy. Nitro "Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall DRSS, BASA 470 Krieghoff, 45-70 inserts, 12 ga paradox, 20 ga DR Simson/Schimmel, 12 ga DR O/U Famars, 12 ga DR SXS Greener | |||
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Update 6/8/2011 Well Memorial day and what not aside, we are getting to the next phase.   This is wood inletting. Then off the get new case colors and final fitting of the barrels. Proofing, and then regulating, sighting. Black barrels and final once over. Thanks Nitro "Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall DRSS, BASA 470 Krieghoff, 45-70 inserts, 12 ga paradox, 20 ga DR Simson/Schimmel, 12 ga DR O/U Famars, 12 ga DR SXS Greener | |||
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Hello All. UPDATE 6/20. Wood Shaping  More shaping.  Final inletting fit, nice and tight.  One coat of oil, so far.  Other side.   Steel PG cap and decelerator old english pad in black, and stock is done. I am getting very excited. Nitro "Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall DRSS, BASA 470 Krieghoff, 45-70 inserts, 12 ga paradox, 20 ga DR Simson/Schimmel, 12 ga DR O/U Famars, 12 ga DR SXS Greener | |||
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UPDATE 07/06/11 Good news for me on 4th of July. New pictures arrived. Stock is 80% sealed, Grip cap installed, butt pad installed and sling swivel done.    We are making 2 forends one splinter and one semi-beaver modeled off my K gun.  Forend wood match is really good, considering different sources.   Forearm inletting of the iron.  Well that is it for now. Enjoy Cheers Nitro "Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall DRSS, BASA 470 Krieghoff, 45-70 inserts, 12 ga paradox, 20 ga DR Simson/Schimmel, 12 ga DR O/U Famars, 12 ga DR SXS Greener | |||
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Looking good! Clint | |||
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Wow! I have no artistic abilities whatsoever so I am doubly impressed by such beautiful work done so well. Congratulations on the journey and its successes so far and those yet to come. NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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