http://www.andersonwheeler.co.uk/

Anyone ever hear of them/know about them? A friend made me aware of them and I was wondering about their BLE rifles. Thanks.

Brett

There a new company to me but I am very impressed with the quality of their work. Bet they are pricey though.

465H&H

they were brought up here on the forums some time back.....

2011 price list as follows

375-500 16,500 gbp

577-600 19900 gbp box lock

side lock prices as follow

375-500- 35,000 gpb
577-600 - 42,000 gbp

The gentleman replied to my info request. I sent him a bunch of questions. We'll see. They look like nice rifles though. Express_Rifles is dead on with the prices. Not cheap, but not over the top either. We'll see what you're getting for that money. I'll keep everyone posted.

Brett

I am no expert but the actions looks like a VC action, no? Even some of the hardware and the forearm checkering pattern. What do you guys think?

Dont know but I do know on their left handed bolts they are useing GMA not even a Waffe Jong

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tendrams: the actions looks like a VC action, no?

Look like it to me too.

In a world where actions have not changed much in 100 years do you honestly think 98% of the time they dont look the same. Thats like afew years back when people flocked to buy the Chrysler 300 because people swore it looked like a Rolls Royce

Look closely yourself.

Express_Rifles +1
Butch

A Chrysler 300 doesn't look anything like a Rolls to me.

Ive seen the rifles im the one who posted the prices and to me it might look like a VC action but I doubt it is

The action styling does look a fair bit like some of the Verney Carrons. I know they get barreled actions in the white from Europe, so we'll see.

Brett

Just goes to show you that you pay for where its proofed and sold from

IMHO 16,5K gbp is a tad high for a monoblocked boxlock, that would be around 20K$.
but very nice website though

best

peter

Over 26k USD or 147k danish krone

Re the UK prices, just remember you have 17.5% VAT in that price
which IF it's like Aust, the GST is not charged to overseas purchasers.

Take 17.5% off and it looks more reasonable.

And of course that is soon to be 20% VAT !!!

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vs.


and the bottom trigger guard image from this collage...


Compared with...


I have also seen on this board a VC action with the accentuated H&H "Filet" as on the Wheeler double. I might be wrong, and there is certainly nothing wrong with using the VC action as I want one in the worse way....but why pay a premium for "Made in England" when it really might not be in the strictest sense?

Here's a reply I received from them:

"In answer to your questions our double rifle actions are sleeved shoe lump barrels. The locking mechanism has 6 lugs with a 2.5 cm recoil face. We can make the barrel length whatever you like however I would advise a 26 inch barrel with the 450 NE cartridge. We can easily make a splinter for end for you just specify it on the fitting sheet attached if you decide to move forward. A 450 NE will weigh in at 9.5 lbs,"

I emailed a couple friends as well who are in the know with regards to doubles and one of them emailed me back today that they are infact made on VC barreled actions in the white. About a 13,000 pound mark up for some bluing on the barrels, engraving on the action, and a custom English stock. Think I'll take a pass. Besides I'm looking for a lighter .458, but 9.5lbs. is a little light for my taste.

Brett

In defense of Wheeler, this action style and upgraded wood from VC does start at around $20,000 from my understanding so, if you take off the VAT from Wheeler's rifles, they are much more in the ballpark. Upgrade the engraving a bit on the VC and you have a wash. That said, I don't think VC offers this rifle as a sleeved shoe-lump arrangement do they?

Very pretty rifles and very interesting...

A comperativly small custom and EXPENSIVE maker. Buying actions in the white, putting barrels on them, giving them a fancy name, and charging a premium for them, nothing wrong with that of course... but still, sounds familiar.

Has anyone started bashing these guys for not making the actions for their guns themslves?
Or is it OK because their English?

I don't mean to stuff-up this thread, and I am sorry if I am.

I was just wondering if anybody thought poorly of them because they aren't making their own actions, like a high-dollar outfit in the US.

Looks to be nemo is trying to stir the pot this is not a sab rifle so why are you interested

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Originally posted by Nemo .450:
Very pretty rifles and very interesting...

A comperativly small custom and EXPENSIVE maker. Buying actions in the white, putting barrels on them, giving them a fancy name, and charging a premium for them, nothing wrong with that of course... but still, sounds familiar.

Goes on all the time, US Companies are great at doing it. Just look at Weatherby !!!


If you take off the VAT, then the prices for comparable products do work out about the same.

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It is also wise to keep in mind that many of the "top shelf" names in brit gunmaking a century ago subbed out some or more of their work to the broader gun trade. Hell, very recently, H&H was building single shots on Ruger actions.

Can someone answer if the VC barrels are sleeved? I don't think they are and am trying to figure out why wheeler would order them this way???

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Originally posted by tendrams:
It is also wise to keep in mind that many of the "top shelf" names in brit gunmaking a century ago subbed out some or more of their work to the broader gun trade. Hell, very recently, H&H was building single shots on Ruger actions.

Go one further, all H&H guns were built by Scott (one of the formations of Webley and Scott).

I have seen Webley actions with "Regulated by H&H) on them.

If someone wanted something and was willing to pay for it, they would take an order. A good business philosphy.

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Originally posted by tendrams:
It is also wise to keep in mind that many of the "top shelf" names in brit gunmaking a century ago subbed out some or more of their work to the broader gun trade. Hell, very recently, H&H was building single shots on Ruger actions.

Shocking!

California Rigby, Weatherby, etc... and now an English maker. (just kidding )

Like I said, there's nothing wrong with that, so long as the quality is maintained.

As I recall, many of the the old English makers (H&H, WR, Rigby, etc.) used "Webley" or "Trade" actions on their working boxlocks.

Jesus, you guys are quick to jump on this maker and Nemo just listed the best at it of them all, California Rigby.

Although he mentioned the word "quality" in the same sentence

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Cali Rigby was useing Merkel actions for awhile wonder who they use now

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Originally posted by Express_Rifles:
Cali Rigby was useing Merkel actions for awhile wonder who they use now

Yes, but did you see some of the stocking on them ?

The actions might have been good but the wood to metal fit was not good.

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Originally posted by 500N:

I have seen Webley actions with "Regulated by H&H) on them.

If someone wanted something and was willing to pay for it, they would take an order. A good business philosphy.

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Like a freind of mine says "I don't have to like pink V.W. Bugs to sell them".

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Originally posted by 500N:
Jesus, you guys are quick to jump on this maker and Nemo just listed the best at it of them all, California Rigby.

Although he mentioned the word "quality" in the same sentence

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I don't mean to stomp or jump on these guys, if they think there's room in the fine gun market, I wish them luck.

Nemo


I just re read my post, that comment wasn't directed at you or just at you. The emphasis
on the words was misplaced.

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Atleast they use a proven action so god willing they are fine rifles just with London proofs no harm no foul everyone is getting out sourced actions hardly any company makes their own so what they are doing is honest and just a part of doing business in the gun world.

Car makers have been doing it for years
as have heaps of other industries - including
the gun world.

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Originally posted by 500N:
Nemo


I just re read my post, that comment wasn't directed at you or just at you. The emphasis
on the words was misplaced.

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Thanks.



But concerning the main topic. The question has already been asked, but has been decided that these "English" DRs are merely "fancy" V.C.s? Are they of equal, greater, or lesser quality? I said "quality", perhaps I should say "value".

Jaguar+ Ford Bentley=Volkswagon Aston Martin was ford for awhile and the list goes on

Plus for the price you are getting hand engraved not computer machined so your going to pay for that

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Originally posted by tendrams:
Can someone answer if the VC barrels are sleeved? I don't think they are and am trying to figure out why wheeler would order them this way???

It's beyond me. Cheaper shotgun barreled actions sleeved with rifle barrels? Maybe???? I have no idea?????

Brett