Which is the best deer cartridge and why, the 223 or the 22-250? What would be the advantages and disadvantages of each?

Thanks,

Joe A.

I would be more concerned about the rifling twist of the rifle, initially, than the cartridge.

If, after that, you can I'd choose the 22-250 as it can deliver a heavier bullet at greater velocity.

And at less pressure! It is also an easier cartridge to handle!

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I would be more concerned about the rifling twist of the rifle, initially, than the cartridge.

If, after that, you can I'd choose the 22-250 as it can deliver a heavier bullet at greater velocity.

Exactly. The cartridge is secondary to putting the right bullet into play. And twist rate is one key to that. one in 14", generally isn't fast enough, except perhaps for the light TSX bullets, which have low BC, and become deficient at longer ranges quickly anyway.

KB

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223 vs 22-250 Which is the best for deer?

I would like either of them except the second digit should be a "4"

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Originally posted by Joe A.:
Which is the best deer cartridge and why, the 223 or the 22-250? What would be the advantages and disadvantages of each?

Thanks,

Joe A.

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Originally posted by rcamuglia:

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Originally posted by Joe A.:
Which is the best deer cartridge and why, the 223 or the 22-250? What would be the advantages and disadvantages of each?

Thanks,

Joe A.

Yea....funny.....and earlier I was thinking that Obama is looking for a new press secretary and that Joe A. should apply....he's qualified for sure!

I've used the .223 with great success but have no experience with the 22-250. If you're talking about an "off the shelf" rifle a .223 with a 1 in 8" twist will do just fine.

For the 22-250, no experience but I've thought about building one just for deer hunting and I think it would be a nice set up too. A 22"-24" barrel with a 1 in 9" twist and have the throat cut long enough to seat a 75gr Swift Scirocco or 70gr Barnes TSX without taking up all the powder space. Of course you would be right on the heals of the .243 with that set up But.....It would also serve as an excellent long range "fun" rifle in the off season as these bullets have a high BC. You would also be set up for Berger VLD's. I couldn't justify it though and went with a really nice custom .223.

Terry

I think that the 22-250 has a slight edge and that is in the velocity department. Both of these cartridges can be loaded to high velocity which aids dramatically in the performance of the round.

I load mine on the upper end velocity wise and have taken deer with both calibers. Lately I've been using the .223 mainly because it is suppressed.

What many of the anti's never think about.....wait a second most of them don't think. Anyway, I digress, is that velocity is one of the contributing factors to the performance of these rounds.

Either one should work for you. Good luck.

For me I would go with the 22-250.

I have seen a few deer shot with 223's mostly FMJ's and it killed them all.

I used the 22-250 myself with 70 grain speer bullets at less than max. I figured it shoots the 70 faster than the the 223 does the 55 so its gotta work. It worked nicely.

BTW I dont think the 22-250 is any louder than a 223 and neither one kicks a bit.

My 22-250 was a Rem mod 700 and the 223's were all Mini 14 or Ar-15.

I would probably load a 53 X bullet and call it good.

This is all crazy talk. Everybody knows the 204 is the best deer cartridge.

A friend of mine who runs a reloading shop as said proachers who come to his store buying 223 bullets to reload, always buy the longest and heaviest 223 bullet that's availiable to shoot in a slow twist barrel. That will cause the bullet to tumble and the deer are easier to find.

I'm asking if any 223 shooters here has tried that and what were your results?

Thanks,

Joe A.

To get the bullet to tumble you have to be doing a cart wheel as you shoot. If you are really athletic and can do a back flip while shooting, it will introduce enough tumble that the .223 is very effective on elephants.

Edited: BTW, this post has little to do with the above single post, by cm, since it's obviously jokeing,(mostly & hopefully) yet missing the little

Truth is that the tumbling thingy in the 223 is a real issue, and in-depth discussion lurking, which I'll just pass, since I don't give a fart about it. Those that do care may want to study the matter, and I suggest some other source than herein this forum.


Goud Gawd, there should be something in the software of this forum that automatically posts a little symbol for rampant ignorance, after supposedly serious postings on these 223 threads. Maybe a dingbat symbol?

That would give the innocent readers some way to tell the difference right off. I don't need it of course, since I read through BS easily.

KB

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Originally posted by carpetman1:
To get the bullet to tumble you have to be doing a cart wheel as you shoot. If you are really athletic and can do a back flip while shooting, it will introduce enough tumble that the .223 is very effective on elephants.

Guess I'll have to forget about a bullet tumbling because I'm too old and stiff to do a cartwheel.

Too old and stiff to do a cartwheel--well there is good news. I'm sure you have heard Viagra commercials " call you doctor if you get an erection lasting over 4 hours". (I'm going to call the newspaper too--I want everyone to know about it). The Viagra reversal medication called Argaiv limbers you up where you can easily do cartwheels. Your sex life may suffer--but it's worth it you'll have tumbling bullets. The doctor that invented Argaiv also performed the first hemorrhoid transplant.

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Which is the best deer cartridge

Either will punch holes in pretty much anything they hit. Deer will die - evenually - from such holes. That said, neither are deer cartridges.

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
Edited: BTW, this post has little to do with the above single post, by cm, since it's obviously jokeing,(mostly & hopefully) yet missing the little

Truth is that the tumbling thingy in the 223 is a real issue, and in-depth discussion lurking, which I'll just pass, since I don't give a fart about it. Those that do care may want to study the matter, and I suggest some other source than herein this forum.


Goud Gawd, there should be something in the software of this forum that automatically posts a little symbol for rampant ignorance, after supposedly serious postings on these 223 threads. Maybe a dingbat symbol?

That would give the innocent readers some way to tell the difference right off. I don't need it of course, since I read through BS easily.

KB

This is true the tumbling is called "Yaw". This happens to spitzer style fmj bullets regardless of weight when they his flesh. Without going into big detail the spin and rear of the bullet being heavier than the front it causes the bullet to tumble. The smaller bullets just need less tissue to do it in that is why it was noticed so much when the .223 was adopted as opposed to larger bullets from earlier wars.

Same deal with the 7.62x39 fmj. The Russian invented that, and the US military chose the 223 in part because of the tumbling in flesh. It's fire for effect, so to speak. It could be a subject for argument, and I'm not in the mood right now. I'm thinking of hog hunting, rather than farting in the wind over 223s.

It's commonly known as the bumble tumble, a fitting term coined by carpetman.

KB

You guys get awfully pissy. It's like listening to a room full of mother-in-laws!

Joe,

Neither of those .22's is humane or adequate for deer hunting. Nor are they legal in many places for that reason.

"Use enough gun."

Maybe our resident connoisseur of the .223, Mr Kablowaewe.223 can explain tumbling in more detail once he returns from hog hunting. Why would anyone leave Alaska to go to Texas to hunt hogs?

All the 22-250 does is add a few yards to the effective range, which isn't much IMO.

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Originally posted by Conservative Rifleman:
Joe,

Neither of those .22's is humane or adequate for deer hunting. Nor are they legal in many places for that reason.

"Use enough gun."

Both are lethal and more than adequate for someone who can shoot.

They are legal in many states. Once source said that 38 of the 43 states that permit rifle hunting for deer allow the use of a .22 centerfire. Don't have the time to confirm this and it may take a visit to 50 state's wildlife regulations to prove.

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Originally posted by TEANCUM:

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Originally posted by Conservative Rifleman:
Joe,

Neither of those .22's is humane or adequate for deer hunting. Nor are they legal in many places for that reason.

"Use enough gun."

Both are lethal and more than adequate for someone who can shoot.

They are legal in many states. Once source said that 38 of the 43 states that permit rifle hunting for deer allow the use of a .22 centerfire. Don't have the time to confirm this and it may take a visit to 50 state's wildlife regulations to prove.

I personally agree with Consevative Rifleman and to a point I agree with TEANCUM in that a .22 S,L or LR will dispatch a deer if (for example) the muzzle is placed in or behind the deers ear.

I will say that when this crap comes out from under the bridge, the .223 and the .22-250 are great rounds for shooting "Trolls".

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I will say that when this crap comes out from under the bridge, the .223 and the .22-250 are great rounds for shooting "Trolls".

So, we are advocating shooting people we don't agree with now. It amazes me the depths some people will resort to promote thier ignorance on others. We have people that will troll a thread relentlessly because they don't agree with the content and now this.

What's next?

This place sinks to new lows everyday


Terry

Don't have to ask--it is very obvious--How much experience does RonE have? None--guaranteed.

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Originally posted by Joe A.:
A friend of mine who runs a reloading shop as said proachers who come to his store buying 223 bullets to reload, always buy the longest and heaviest 223 bullet that's availiable to shoot in a slow twist barrel. That will cause the bullet to tumble and the deer are easier to find.

I'm asking if any 223 shooters here has tried that and what were your results?

Thanks,

Joe A.

I think/hope your friend is pulling your leg.

wasbeeman, what makes you think/hope that?

Joe A.

This thread:

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/...mance_on#Post4796905

shows a picture of what I find to be typical of TSX killed deer. When someone can explain the difference between the pictured .223 killed deer and what happens with a 30-06 and the same bullet placement I might listen to argument that a .223 is inadequate.

The .223 might be totally adequate for many whitetails but for those 300 and even 400 pound dressed out Minnesota whitetails it just isn't enough!

I think it is a given that either one will kill a deer, but is it the ideal cartridge? I would say not and sure lots of others would agree;however, will say that the 22-250 w/ 7 or 8 twist, 69-80gr bullets work very well indeed for target work out to and including 1000yds.
Shot one such rifle for some 3 years in NRA Long Range/Prone/Sling matches. Sold to local fellow shooter for his varmint shooting pleasure and he is still using it. I will have completed the second such rifle only using Ruger NO.1 action w/ Douglas 26" stainless, 7+ twist, by the end of next week. Will have Unertl 1.5"x16FCH optics and age will most likely prevent me using the sling full time and will swallow my pride and use a bag and shoot in the lowly F class.
The 22-250 will work much better at such extnded ranges than the 223 simply by the fact that it can be loaded with heavy bullets to more velocity. It will remain supersonic at 1000yds and actually compares to the 308 w/ 155Palma bullets for elevation and windage. Another big plus with this arrangement is very little recoil to contend with during a long day of match shooting.

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Originally posted by vapodog:
The .223 might be totally adequate for many whitetails but for those 300 and even 400 pound dressed out Minnesota whitetails it just isn't enough!

I see vapid dog shit is still running his mouth without the balls or the cash to back it up.


The offer is still open and I am still here to provide the evidence.

Mouth or bullshit, which one are you?

I hunt Texas now and probably wont see a 200 pounder. Typically Alaska caribou run much bigger than large deer and the Eskimoes take a lot of Caribou with .223.

One of the good uses for a .223 is to make holes in Wellstone bumper stickers in Minnesota. Typically the .223 is extremely accurate and a good choice for this task.

They don't taste good however...old and salty!

I see you keep poting and running your mouth, but I see nothing to back up your claims there vapid dog. Did you get deported from Minnesota for being such a wuss?

Joe A. Lots of others have gien you BS answers. Others have tried to steer you to other cartridges.
The 22-250 will have about twice the effective range as a 223 with the same 60-65 gr bullets.
The bullets being as light as they are you should try to only use a neck, broad side or straight on chest shot. Try not to punch through a shoulder or hip. Not enough bullet for that.
I have used the 22-250 with Hornady 60 gr HP's.
They work well if you use the shots I mentioned and keep the range at 200 yards or less. In the 223 I would keep the range to 100 yards or less.
If you can't do these things then you might wan't to consider a larger cartridge.
I think any cartridge that can shoot a 115 gr or heavier bullet to at least 2800 fps will do a much better job and can be used to 250 yards. Getting that same bullet to 3000 fps can reach to 300-350 yards.

A 223 or 22-250 will kill anything on this planet with the right bullet. Most people still dont realize that shot placement trumps most everything else within reason.

I see the GeorgiaN and his cohorts are still carring on . There ard some people who think thaT any thing smaller than a 280 remington just won't reliably kill a deer. I know a number of guys who like the 22 250 for deer. They tend to use 55gr soft points and take head olf neck shots.

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Originally posted by gumboot458:
I see the GeorgiaN and his cohorts are still carring on . There ard some people who think thaT any thing smaller than a 280 remington just won't reliably kill a deer.

Oh no, I guess I need to sell my Swede and Roberts.