and the creedmoor for comparison

http://www.metric-conversions.org/length-conversion.htm

for yer conversion needs.

47mm = 1.85"

So's anyone had the ability to figure out the powder capacity difference between the two???

All I see forming is a couple of different ways to house the same capacity of a 250 Savage necked up to 6.5 bore....

Which can just cut it all short and do a 6.5/250 Savage and just let it be a wildcat...

I saw one used once at a match, in a Savage Action.... and it was a tack driver.. all the way out to 600 yds..

the guy was using RL 7 and 107 grain Sierra Match bullets in it...

Commercialization is the price paid by consumers buying new products, to offer brass ready made, although nothing to say anyone loading now, could not just take 250 brass, neck up and form 6.5/250 esp. in an AI version and get very much the same ballistics, what is really funny, is that I looked up some 6.5MS loads and they are all using 39-40grains powder, about same as the 47.

Here is more reading on 6.5's in mid capacity, inc. 47, Creedmore, and 260 'Bobcat' aka 6.5/250 that Jim Carmichael wrote about when he 'invented' the 263 waters express aka 260 Remington! I mean 6.5 mm Panther....sounded 'meaner and badder' than Bobcat.

http://www.steelchickens.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=112...00442f343c6bb7281147

Several folks have hinted about it, but is the 6.5 Creedmoor able to be formed from 250 Savage brass? I hope so, I know that 250 Savage brass isn't as expensive as 6.5x47 Lapua. I can't wait to hear some real world reviews of this new round and I hope that it shows up in several reasonably priced bolt actions. It is a shame though that so many wildcats have already trod this soil and proved their worth, yet few of them were legitimized.

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Originally posted by Kimber.204:
Several folks have hinted about it, but is the 6.5 Creedmoor able to be formed from 250 Savage brass? I hope so, I know that 250 Savage brass isn't as expensive as 6.5x47 Lapua. I can't wait to hear some real world reviews of this new round and I hope that it shows up in several reasonably priced bolt actions. It is a shame though that so many wildcats have already trod this soil and proved their worth, yet few of them were legitimized.

The 260 Rem (263 Express-PO ACKLEY long ago!) made it, 6months after I did my own 6.5/308 and at the same time a 6mm BR, 10 years ago, not many used these rounds, and I thought they were the cat's meow, still do think highly of them, some 'improve' the BR but to me little to gain, but if the 260 could have been 'improved' I'd have made the neck a tad longer and/or pushed the shoulder back some, as well as having a sharper shoulder that still allowed smooth feeding. These issues are addressed in the two latest entries.

I think it is possible the 6.5 improves in popularity in the US, just remember, the 6.5 has only had less than half the time for hunters/shooters to really get experience, as in Europe, they were plentiful and common for the past 100+ years, as the US has been with the 30/06.

Watch many shooters change from 308 to milder 6.5's, less drop and drift, great accuracy. 2 downsides, less ammo availability esp. with cheap surplus ammo, and less bbl life.

Since I load that takes care of #1, and ammo is mfg and will be more widespread, next, I can accept the bbl life of a small 6.5. A 284, 'o6, or Win Mag is just too short a bbl life for my pocket book, likewise a WSM, but I am ok not needing the extra 100-200 fps.

The focus on these rounds is for the target shooting and competition world... for we hunters that desire to use it.. we come second...

maufacturers are not overly thrilled about the 260 Rem.. but the enthiasists among us sure love it.. the manufacturers cater to the Walmart purchasing crowd...

I mean, Savage is still selling a package of a 300 Win Mag with a cheap Simmons scope on top, that has to be guaranteed a life span of about 5 shots... yet people still buy tons of them every season, or they would quit selling it as a catalog number...

As for me, I am off to the reloading and rebarreling world.. and have been for quite a while.... a few things occasionaly excite me.. like the 17 Fireball, or the Savage Predator...

But I can get a 17 Fireball barrel for a Savage for $170.00 out of ER Shaw.. and I reluctantly live without the Savage Predator, until I horse trade off something.. problem is, I don't have anything I would want to let go of...

I did get an opportunity to look hands on at a 17 Fireball in a SPS Varmint set up, when the new Sportsmans Whorehouse just opened up locally ( and finally!!!!!.. powder and primer access!!!)....

I wasn't impressed with the stock on that thing at all... and I also wasn't overly impressed that they chose to put a big spacer and short magazine in there also....

I would use a Benchrest follower in there anyway... to make it a single shot.. but it is too short and none are commercially available yet... so getting a 17 Fireball barrel via Shaw is all the more appealing....

I just need to order some small quantity of brass from Grafs in the 6.5 x 47 Lapua, and compare it with a 6.5/250....

and once the Creedmoor is available.. get ahold of a piece of brass from that also....

I was seriously thinking of the advantages a 6.5 WSSM would offer me some time last year...

I finally had a chance to get a hold of 3 pieces of brass from a gent who was shooting a 25 WSSM at the range.. who didn't reload.. and he was complaining about the cost of ammo for it....

after necking it up. and then comparing the case capacity to the 250 Savage, the 6.5 x 55, and the 260.. I came to the conclusion that it would be a total waste of time, offering me nothing that I didn't have already....

But ya know.. It did get me thinking that a 25 BR would potentially be a pretty cool little cartridge.. less costly on Brass etc....

But then I was back to thinking.. why not just do a 250 Savage there Homer... ....

some of we shooters can talk ourselves into some pretty stupid,irrational ideas.. just in the quest to be different or have something different....

as far as some of the real old 6.5 mm cartridges.. like the 6.5 x 54... well I just load my 260 to the same MV and I essentially have one!

Seafire, an article in Varmint Hunters Assoc. while back re: 25 BR, Ruger #1, shot VERY well with 100gr around 3k IIRC.

More here on 25BR:

http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek052.html