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Originally posted by bucko:
Oh,, and by the way I forgot to thank you for the coolest idea of the year.
Painting the butcher paper was brilliant.

Your shotgun patterned quite well on it ...

That was my 10/22 at about 75.

Remember I said to use FLAT BLACK PAINT to eliminate the glare?

WOW! Hard to believe glossy black paint could be so hard to see at 75 yards.

Remember, FLAT BLACK PAINT.

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Originally posted by bucko:
So it is possible I suppose, hate to be betting on the odds of it happening that way though.

It could be parallax. The way to test this would be to swap scopes or better yet, put this scope on a known accurate rifle.

You are right. 100 yards is no big deal on parallax, but 300 would definetly make a difference.

I sent a Redfield Varminter scope back for repair a while back because the parallax could not be adjusted.
It was OK at 100-125 yards. You could turn the ring, but nothing happened.
Something came loose inside, they fixed it and the problem went away.

Although, if the image was clear at 200 and 300, the parallax should be working.
Mine never really cleared up completely. Past 125 or so the image was never sharp.

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Originally posted by Flippy:
How about for less than ten cents apiece?

It works great!

I simply painted the slick side of butcher paper and bingo! El cheapo Shoot-N-C's.

No need for carpet mask, just paint and shoot.
Use cheap FLAT BLACK PAINT, I grabbed glossy and there was a lot of glare on it.

Fantastic!

So did you paint the paper after you stapled it up at the range?

Do you think you could pre-paint it at home and have it stay on?

Do you think the plywood backing was a necessary part of the process or would styrofoam poster board or cardboard work?

Just like me to overcomplicate things and spend too much money.

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Originally posted by woods:
So did you paint the paper after you stapled it up at the range?

NO

Do you think you could pre-paint it at home and have it stay on?

THAT IS WHAT I DID

Do you think the plywood backing was a necessary part of the process or would styrofoam poster board or cardboard work?

I THINK ANYTHING WOULD WORK

Just like me to overcomplicate things and spend too much money.

DON'T DO THAT!!

Remember FLAT BLACK PAINT!!

Seems rather obvious that both Woods and Flippy deserve a pat on the back.

Woods looked at an expensive product and figured out a way to make it himself, at less cost and it met the Design Requirement.

Flippy looked at Woods product, thought of an existing inexpensive material that eliminated part of the process, and ended up with less time involved(manufacturing), less items needed(reliability increase), at even less cost and it met the Design Requirement.

Design Engineers go through a similar sequence - on other Design Engineers products every day. It is often difficult for the originator of an idea to think beyond the original concept. Great job by both of you.

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Originally posted by woods:
Just like me to overcomplicate things and spend too much money.

Hot Core is absolutely right.
If you hadn't given me the idea to use the slick carpet mask (very original and highly functional, I must add), I probably would not have tried painting butcher paper, at least for a great while.

Funny thing is, I have used butcher paper for targets on and off for many years. At one of the ranges I used to frequent, they even had a roll of it hanging to cover the target backs and to use for targets!
Using butcher paper was not the new idea, painting it was.

Kudos to you for doing the design concept and preliminary engineering.

Hey Fella's, forgive me for sounding thick, but what is butcher paper,? is it what we call greaseproof?

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Originally posted by Steve Latham:
Hey Fella's, forgive me for sounding thick, but what is butcher paper,? is it what we call greaseproof?

Not sure about greaseproof, but the name sounds like it could be.
What we call butcher paper (in the colonies!!) is the white paper that comes on a roll used in a butcher shop.
It is slick on one side (some kind of plastic-like coating) and plain on the other side.

The meat goes towards the slick side and the other side can be written on by a felt marker.

Like white craft paper with a slick side.
A type of it is sold by Reynolds by the roll as "Freezer Paper" in grocery stores in the states.
I am sure that it would work also.

---Mike

EDIT: I googled greaseproof and it is essentially waxed paper, not what I was talking about.

This would work great:
Freezer Paper

Or these:
Butcher Paper Sheets

Trigger time is a great help in shooting distance.
I use a Rugar 77-22 an awful lot. When I pick up the Rugar 77-220 swift it feels the same althought the scope is different. All that trigger time helps when I pick up the Rugar 77-243 with yet a different scope. But the safeys are the same as is the balance.

We shoot a whole bunch of golf. I invite golfing shooting friends to come over when the haying is finished. I supply several buckets of driving range quality golf balls. They drive them out into the field and we take turns shooting them. That improves our distance estamateing a bunch as well as our shooting.We also shoot in the woods but their not allowed to use a driver there only a wedge.

I my self would not think the barrel is shot out since a smith looked at it before it was bought, and it will shoot tight at 100yds. I would start doing 22lr trigger time to improve breath control and trigger control. I would slowly increase the range with the swift in 50 yard increments just to see if at some point accarcey goes away.
I like the Swift and would never switch to any other except one of the 243-22 wild cats since I like that case a bunch.

Since I have my own range I don't have to wait on any one to tarrget check. Taking a nice stroll down range to check the target allows the barrel to cool some what between shots too.

Al

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Originally posted by alleyyooper:

I supply several buckets of driving range quality golf balls. They drive them out into the field and we take turns shooting them. Al

Do you use colored balls in the snow? How many cuttings a year do you get.? roger

It's been a bit over 40 years, the longest distance on our range was 250 yards. While I was in college with my rather new pre 64 Win Mod 70 featherweight 30-06 sub moa groups were commonplace at l00 yards, coke cans out at 250 were a piece of cake, even shooting at the ends. I usually zeroed initally at 25 yards and could hit anything with ease out to 250. Now all these years later my eyes and nerves are not as good and I do not shoot as often or as much so the groups are not as good. Also I don't like that long walk to the 250 yard mark and back as well.

Well, according to the chart on this website your twist should be 1 in 14 which is about the slowest you can get. With a 1 in 14 you should be able to shoot the lighter bullets best and should not be able to shoot any bullet over about 60 grains.

So twist is out of the equation unless the older Model 70's had a different twist.

We never shoot at golf balls in the winter, just youtes and other legal game. Besides my golfing (3) friends are really sisies and will rarely go outside to play after the temps get below freezing. We seem to always get two cuttings a year and some times as many as 4.

Ya got to have rules in the shooting golf.
Number one rule is every one who drives a ball and shoots at a ball stays to clean up. If you break Number one rule you never ever get invited back to play again.

Al

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Originally posted by Flippy:

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Originally posted by Steve Latham:
Hey Fella's, forgive me for sounding thick, but what is butcher paper,? is it what we call greaseproof?

Not sure about greaseproof, but the name sounds like it could be.
What we call butcher paper (in the colonies!!) is the white paper that comes on a roll used in a butcher shop.
It is slick on one side (some kind of plastic-like coating) and plain on the other side.

The meat goes towards the slick side and the other side can be written on by a felt marker.

Like white craft paper with a slick side.
A type of it is sold by Reynolds by the roll as "Freezer Paper" in grocery stores in the states.
I am sure that it would work also.

---Mike

EDIT: I googled greaseproof and it is essentially waxed paper, not what I was talking about.

This would work great:
Freezer Paper

Or these:
Butcher Paper Sheets

Thanks guy's, found something similar, "cool wrap", gonna give it a try!

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Originally posted by Steve Latham:
Thanks guy's, found something similar, "cool wrap", gonna give it a try!

You guys have such interesting names for things!

But I guess to you, we do too!

I googled cool wrap, and nothing that came up was paper...

I hope this stuff works as good as ours did.
Let me know how it works.

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Originally posted by bartsche:
Do you use colored balls in the snow?

Roger, my balls get a little colored in the snow...

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Originally posted by woods:
Well, according to the chart on this website

Great website BTW. I found this several years ago, but lost it.

I saved it.

---Mike