Well this is a new prosject im thinking on since i have some pounds of AA8700 that i havent used untill now.

the project will be on a fine ex German Army that hasnt seen norwegian army alterations M98 receiver, a Shultz&Larsen barrel lenght ca 28 inches, a muzzle diameter of ca 20 mm, its going to be shot abit witha various bullets on Seal hunting, and other flatshooting hunting.

Some people here thinks im crazy as im going for that round.

What do you think of MPI stocks ? They have a fine model for good prices and that tactical stocks look fine, im thinking of having that M98 looking abit like an M24 sniper rifle .

Bullets from 100 grain up to 160 grs for varied uses, and mostly for long range shooting. Why 264 instead of 7mm rem Mag, beacause 264 bullets are ceahper here and more used than 7mm rounds.

Scope uncertain of yet , but i think IOR has made a place high up on the list for varied uses.

mr rigby

How about the 6.5 Rem Mag or the 6.5x284?

I have had a 264 win mag and was not pleased with it. Seemed like there was just too much powder capacity for the bore size. Anytime I started pushing the loads to get the velocity I thought I should get, pressure signs started showing up and quick. You need to use a very very slow powder which will burn your throat out sooner.

JMHO

I say go for it, only if you have more than 5lbs of the powder...that's always been my cutoff number for building a rifle because I have:
a. a set of dies and brass
b. T-H-E powder for it
c. a barrel I traded for.
d. I just wanted one
Refer to answer "b" in this case, although "d" is also correct...actually all four are.

Rich
DRSS

I have 20 lbs of AA8700 powder and a gunstore has ca 15 lbs on store of it , 200 cases . an gunsmith has the tools ready and stock is being purchased soon and then an good scope so the project is on this summer .

The stock im thinking on is MPI stock, they look very good and a friend of me swears by them , the ywill cost ca 500 dollars imported here and McMillan will cost ca 1000 through the importer.

Scope uncertain, but IOR is high up on the wishlist .

MPI makes great stuff, we use them all the time. It will take some work, however, if you get the blank or "semi-finish". I've had one on a .300 win mag since 1986 and love it.
Walt

Mr. Rigby, what is the twist rate of your barrel? If it isn't at least a 1/8" I doubt it will stabilize bullets heavier than 130 grain, at least that has been my experience with my custom barreled FN mauser with 1/9" Shilen 26" tube. Good luck on your 264 Winnie project and hope it is all you are expecting.

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Originally posted by Luckyducker:
Mr. Rigby, what is the twist rate of your barrel? If it isn't at least a 1/8" I doubt it will stabilize bullets heavier than 130 grain, at least that has been my experience with my custom barreled FN mauser with 1/9" Shilen 26" tube. Good luck on your 264 Winnie project and hope it is all you are expecting.

Please correct me as I might be wrong here but IIRC the M-70 in .264 was 1-9" and stabilized the 140s easily!

If you push 140+ grain bullets hard through a 1/9" .264 cal rifle they will work. The .264 Win Mag generates ample speed so that should not be a probem. 6.5x55s and .260 Rems is where there maybe an issue. It's bullet length (not weight) and MV that determines what twist is adequate. I would still put a 1/8" barrel on it, cover all bases, and not worry about it. If you do shoot lightweight varmint bullets out of it, slow them down below lightspeed otherwise you will probably exceed their rotational envelope and vaporize the bullet mid-flight.

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Originally posted by Luckyducker:
Mr. Rigby, what is the twist rate of your barrel? If it isn't at least a 1/8" I doubt it will stabilize bullets heavier than 130 grain, at least that has been my experience with my custom barreled FN mauser with 1/9" Shilen 26" tube. Good luck on your 264 Winnie project and hope it is all you are expecting.

My 1:8.5" twist Krieger stabilizes the 142 grain SMK's out to 1,000 yards with no problems.

Im going for an 1-8 twist as the 6,5 mm is much used over here for hunting and match shooting, and the used bullet for match shooting is ca 140 grain. And good hunting bullets that are at a weight of minimum 140 grs for various hunting up here.

BuckMT , i took a look on you webpage and you had much fine things there, so im going to order an Mpi stock soon of their Tactical type. I have just one synthetic stock and that is an ordinary plastic stock s it might be ordered 2 from them soon.

The 264 is one of my favourite rounds. Have fun!!!

I always bed my synthetic stocks in Devcon, makes a difference.

I'd skip the MPI stock unless you like popsicle sticks for the core material...
bare MPI
Look about halfway down the page.

Oi, that i never see coming, things can happend with a stock, and what has happened with that popsticle stock?

Typical my luck, when im choosing an item and then something new info comes up about that project.

THe MPI stocks need a bit of work to make the foreend stiff. You gotta dig it out a bit and put kevlar cloth in the channel to stiffen it up. The stock [as received] has only the foam in the front. Also a good idea to epoxy a block of aluminum in the bottom of the foreend to drill into for the front sling stud. Otherwise the stud will pull out. Now! This is as the stocks were done a year or so ago! Times and manufacturing techniques may have changed but be certain of what you`re getting yourself into.My 264s all have 1-10 twist barrels. They are NOT 100 yd tack drivers but do tighten up nicely at longer ranges and do keep the pressures down. As far as I know I am the only one on the 6.5 forum who feels this way but that is ok with me. My freezer is full.
Aloha, Mark

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Originally posted by mr rigby:
Oi, that i never see coming, things can happend with a stock, and what has happened with that popsticle stock?

Typical my luck, when im choosing an item and then something new info comes up about that project.

I have 2 McMillans and think the world of them. I'm not sure if you can get them to ship to your corner of the world, but I would try. I have heard that Bansner stocks are pretty decent if you don't mind a bit of finishing and installing a recoil pad. I think they run about $250 US as opposed to $425 for a McMillan.

We have an importer for McMillan over here, depending on the Importers mood that day it can be ordered just about what you want.

but to save budget at this time, im going for an M 67 target stock untill can get the cash required for upgrading, i want teh rifle up and going first.

I took a look on the Bansner, i saw some of them at Norwegian gunsmith, the unfinished one cost ca 350 dollar, and the finished one cost ca 650.

But i havent deceided quite yet if it should be an lightweight plainsrifle or an heavy "tactical" type.

So much pepper i have gotten on an Norwegian forum for this choice of a cartridge by the " 6,5 Cosa Nostra" gang, im thinking abit on it as what to choose for that project.

I would like to hear about the seal hunting. I have never done and would love to one day. Do you need a flat trajectory for long shots-so the need for the .264? Can you sell the hides? I love old Alexander Henry hammer single shots, and have read that they were often used for "sealing."

Sounds like a neat project you have going here. The .264 with that long barrel should really shoot flat!!!

I got the gunsmith the MPI link and he would order one to try out and see what quality they were of before he ordered one for me.

That is good service indeed.

the sealhunting, i havent done that yet since im not living near the ocean, but that will hopefully change in some months.

Many likes an stainless stell flatshooting rifle, but the ordinary moose rifle holds up just fine.

Remebering that we are one of the countrys that allows seali hunting, and they are an predator on for instance Aquafarms, if they break the net and go in there, its a feat for them, and they also spread disesae on the fish so it is a tragedy for the one whose incom depend on his finished product to sell .


I have a couple of buddys that has uesd the 6,5x284, 338 RUM, 7mm Rem or Weatherby on seals, since ranges can be long and target can be small. It is several that uses "sniper" type rifle for the hunting also and that is an good choice if you can afford to either buy or build them. 300 win is popular also and the old 6,5x55 Swedish alo plus a ton of other calibers.

Some years ago the ychanged the law for minimum weight on bullet to 140 grs and 6,5 mm atleast, thta is our big game law minimum, and if you ask me its a good choice to be legal on hunting.

There was many that used rounds like 22-250, 5.6x57 , 243, 257 and many others on sealhunting before.

More importanly is the bullet, American Varmint types are favored, like VMax, Nosler BT and other frangible rounds, due to richochett danger.

An bipod is much used also,. Harris and Versapod, its a good show.

One rifle that with small change of cloth that can handle this hunt form with few items added is the Sauer 200 STR with an McMillan stock on so it looks like the SSG 3000, it shoots very good and is affordable over here .

The hides can be sold and many uses them for seal coats, and waitstcoats and other.

The Swedish author Jan Guillou who is hunting nut, uses an sealcoat for winter gear.


So thats why i want the 264, cheap bullets up here due to that they are very much used in the DFS match shotingns, and on hunting .

And with 20 LBS of AA8700 powder i had at home ,and cheap winchester brass its a good way to start.

Many uses tactical scopes also on that hunt to be prepared for longer ranges, so its a varied hunting. But an ordinary hunting scope is very good.

I think the .264 will be super, "mr.rigby"!

Sealing is very entertaining and good sport.
Seals are our prarie-dogs, with a set of theet like a wolf, and are considerd as pests. Ypu can sell the hides and eat the meat, but mostly we are happy to reduce population.
Normally one hunts from small rocks/islands over to the next rock/island, and distances can be from close up and then the curve of the globe is the limit. However, out here it is almost always a bit windy, and shots longer than 200 meters are seldom. Still, the Bc of the 6,5 will buck the wind well! Myself, I use the 6,5x55.
I have shot seals from the boat, at seals in the water, but then it is easy to miss. However, with only the head of the seal above water, A-max's gives clean kills or klean misses.

Here is a thypicall seal-country:




This is as far west as one can get in Norway, and luckily my womans family owns one of the houses next to the lighthouse. It is rather dramatical in stormy weather!

Mark_Stokeld, mr.rigby, You are welcome any time!

That is really dramatic looking costline you have there Bent.

The idea of seal hunting appeals to an Aussie

It's the middle kid between .270Win and 7mmRemiMag. Now, that a tough spot to be in!

Now, I once had a .264 Win Mag...didn't care for it much,,,not an efficient case, for the big case...not a lot
of velocity gained.
For a 6.5, my favorite by a long shot (pun not intended!) is the vintage .256 Newton. Its a 6.5, the .256 is like the .256 mannlicher designation, a 6.5 groove diameter....256 from land to land.
Years ago, it was so popular, expert riflemen of the time preferred it to the .257 Roberts or the .270 Win.
In fact, its said the .256 Newton was so highly thought of, it pushed Winchester to come out with the .270 to
compete. As the .256 Newton is the .30-06 necked down to 6.5 (slightly shorter case, minor diffs), Winchester necked down to something different which was .277...the .270 was born.
But the .256 Newton is superb. It is close to the .264 WinMag, but with a better, smaller case.
I get for example, 3115 fps with a 130 gr. 6.5 bullet, and 3,000 fps with a 140 gr. 6.5 bullet in my .256 Newton
I forget (without looking it up) but the .264 WInMag isn't much faster...I'd guess.
And there are gunsmiths who still chamber for the .256 Newton today. I know of at least 2.
Best Regards,

Tom

I might buy one in this caliber Monday. Based on serial # on the barrel it left Griffin & Howe shop in 1967. It comes to shoulder like a fine SxS bird gun, how did they do that?

I read a post by a hunter who used a 6.5 Rem Mag 600 carbine to bust seals at good ranges often with 120 gr loads. 264 flat trajectory may help minimize misses due to ranging errors over other ctg's.

IT wil lbe fun to try it and to see how it will work, specs are underd drawing, now im looking for an stock, i have dropped the MPI, my smith called them and he asked them about Qualitycontol, they started to get a bit cranky on the phone.

But Bell&Carlson are they fine stocks? I have seen on them now and the tactical type dont look bad .

i think the newton is the best but i think a 2" version of the 375 ruger case necked to the 6.5 would be neet. it would have the capacity of the 6.5x284 but fit in a true short action or load out long in a not so short action. good for powder burn consistancy and velocity in the 3000 fps range