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Originally posted by vapodog:

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Originally posted by boom stick:
It would seem if you necked the 338 RCM down that is 2" long you could have a 6.5-06 power gun on a 260 Rem rechamber.
Any thoughts?

Does the RCM have a .473 bolt face?

No but that is a quick fix
the 338 RCM does not have that much more room than an 06 at 72 grains so a 338-06 but shorter. Necked down to 6.5 we are looking at only about 3 more grains than the 6.5-06.
The 300 RCM is 2.1" long so that would be better with the shorter ogive bullets. The 338 RCM could be a good 338 Fed conversion but that is another conversation.

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Originally posted by boom stick:
Has anyone done a 260-270?
Would have that long neck plus on a rem 700 with a 3.6" action you could seat the bullets out long with a long throat. The case is 2.54" so load the bullets out another .2" and still should feed well. Also adding more useable case capacity
Just a thought.
Same goes for a 280 Rem, 338-270 ect.

Sure, the 6.5x64 Brenneke, aka 6.5-270 Win, in a previous Nosler Manual, think the author was Charles Benke? A legit Euro round.

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Originally posted by 6.5BR:

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Originally posted by boom stick:
Has anyone done a 260-270?
Would have that long neck plus on a rem 700 with a 3.6" action you could seat the bullets out long with a long throat. The case is 2.54" so load the bullets out another .2" and still should feed well. Also adding more useable case capacity
Just a thought.
Same goes for a 280 Rem, 338-270 ect.

Sure, the 6.5x64 Brenneke, aka 6.5-270 Win, in a previous Nosler Manual, think the author was Charles Benke? A legit Euro round.

Wow!
You are correct.
A simple neck down of the 270
It seems the only advantage is on a 375HH length action.
Would be perfect for the long neck and long ogive bullets seated out far.

This could be duplicated with a 6.5 RCM

The 260 is a superb cartridge. Very accurate in every rifle chambered for it that I have see. deadly on whitetail deer.

This is a neat cartridge. We use it at the ranch shooting whitetail. Two of us use them (same ammo but one Rem. and one Browning)
The only cartridge I have used is the Rem. 140 grn. CorLokt. When the gun was new (Browning Stainless Stalker)the Rem. ammo was the least expensive so that is what we first used to sight in with. It shot that ammo well so we have yet to change. The only thing that I see is this ammo seems to make a big exit hole in all the deer we shoot but what the heck...you can still eat them all the way up to the hole!
Easy on the shoulder and shoots well. Deer seldom get far from where they are shot.
We also shoot lots of 7/08 and 243. The 7/08's shoot the 140 grn. bullet too and the 243 shoots the 100 grn. Sierra. We have good luck with all of these and have yet to loose a deer to any of them. We shoot 100+- deer a year off this game managed ranch.
It would be hard for me to choose just one but I do have more 7/08's than the other two calibers. Really hard to make the call when it comes to 260 or 7/08. I do think those two outshine the 243 on deer and up size critters.
All our shooting done on free range, low fence ranch out of tower blinds, pickups, Kawasaki Mule and occasionally on foot. Distances are from 40 yrds. to maybe max of 300 yrds. with ave. being something just under 100 yards due to Mesquit and Cedar cover.
If you buy a 260 anything I bet you smile all day hunting.

Regarding the 260, other than mine, I have seen exactly 1 260 in field during the past 13 years. A short guy, 5'7"ish, carrying a Remington 7 stainless/synthetic. Unless Marlin chambers the XS-7 for 260 and they start selling them in high volume retailers, like Wal-Mart, along with ammunition, the 260 will continue to languish.

Regarding Douglas MacArthur and the battle at Pelelieu. Since Pelelieu separated MacArthur's right flank from Nimitz's left flank, it was sound military doctrine to eliminate the Japanese forces on Pelelieu as a possible threat to either/both MacArthur's and/or Nimitz's axis of attack. Although Halsey recommended the cancellation of the invasion of Pelelieu, leaving it to die on the vine, MacArthur and Nimitz chose to go ahead. Since Nimitz also recommended the invasion, I don't think that it is right to blame MacArthur. The US military commander who most directly influenced the battle of Pelelieu was USMC MG William Repertus, who worked for Nimitz, not for MacArthur.

Please note that MacArthur's forces had fewer total casualties during the whole of WW2 then the US Army suffered during the Battle of the Bulge in 1944/45. In Korea, more than 1/2 of the total casualties were incurred after MacArthur was relieved from command. MacArthur was wrong about the Chinese and he was wrong to go head to head over policy decisions with Harry Truman in the press, but he was certainly 1 of the greatest American military leaders. MacArthur had a big ego, but he was an exceptional man, the real deal who walked the walk and when you really are that good, it ain't bragging.

Jeff

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Regarding Douglas MacArthur and the battle at Pelelieu. Since Pelelieu separated MacArthur's right flank from Nimitz's left flank, it was sound military doctrine to eliminate the Japanese forces on Pelelieu as a possible threat to either/both MacArthur's and/or Nimitz's axis of attack. Although Halsey recommended the cancellation of the invasion of Pelelieu, leaving it to die on the vine, MacArthur and Nimitz chose to go ahead. Since Nimitz also recommended the invasion, I don't think that it is right to blame MacArthur. Jeff

Personally I think Nimitz was wrong in bending to the political pressure presented by MacArther to attack.Should he share in the unnecessary thousands of deaths? Yes. But the focus was on MacArther and the deflection of that focus does not make him less guilty. If you whish to think him a great man please have at it. I shall not.Necessary evil ? Perhaps.
And the .260 is a mediocre design roger

I guess that you would know all about mediocrity.

Jeff

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Originally posted by bartsche:
And the .260 is a mediocre design roger

That's rich Roger...

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Originally posted by brytstar:
The 260 is a superb cartridge. Very accurate in every rifle chambered for it that I have see. deadly on whitetail deer.

As a deer cartridge it is perhaps as good as any. Terminal ballistics is governed more the bullet than by caliber. The bullet is actually doing the killing. Impact velocity in relation to the bullet's operating "velocity window" is the key (bullet construction and SD).

Even if the 260 Rem AI is capable of higher velocity, it does not make it any better than the standard 260 Rem, without reference to the bullet being used. Sure, the trajectory might be marginally better at distances longer than 200 yds, but that is about it.

Warrior

Yeah, the 260 is Dead...

as I load up ammo for mine for the soon to be upcoming deer season once again.. I could care less if the factories think it is dead..

I'm putting on two more barrels chambered in 260 on Model 70 actions.....

as a handloader, and the never ending supply of brass to size to 260 Rem out of 7/08, 308 or 243.. why should I be concerned, unless they stop making 6.5 bore bullets also?..

Seafire,

if you use other brass to make your cases, does that make you a wildcatter?

Rich
check your PMs.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Seafire,

if you use other brass to make your cases, does that make you a wildcatter?

Rich
check your PMs.

not A very good one...

Go down to the 2 nd article on this page ... and read "Sherri Gallagher Uses .260 Rem to Win National HP Championship" .....

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/tag/usamu/

Warrior

My experience with the Rem M7 in 260 has been very positive. I refinished a Rem700 in 260 for a customer, then later got the rifle back for a $400 loan. My wife's chosen rifle was a Ruger Compact SS in 7mm08 w/ Leupold VXIII (1.1K$).The Rem M7 had a Nikon Buckmaster 3x9x50($310@ BPS/Cabela's) She shot 4 deer off the back porch w/ the 260, liked it more and killed them all as DRT as the 7mm08 with less recoil and just as accurate.

Over here in England, the 6.5x47 has become very popular but suffers one set back, you have to drive the nuts off it to get get ballistic performance anywhere near that of the 260 running fairly mildly. For target shoting where trajectory comes second to wind drift numbers the 6'5x47 moving a 123 scenar at 3000 fps just cannot keep up with the 260 shooting 139's. It seems you cannot acheive even these numbers with a '47 unless you have a custom action with a tight firing pin hole that will stand the required pressures without seriously mangling primers. I did a lot of research when choosing between the two and the 260 I had built in the end has been very dominant in competition, the slow 139 versus fast 123 debate seems to have been missed by every other shooter looking into wind drift and I just dont see how they could have ignored it. Reloader 17 makes awesome velocity available with the 139's without pressure problems and they both run nicely at 2.840 COL to fit in an AI magazine for a repeating rifle.

I've been impressed with the .260 for some time.

Just curious though.. Has anyone chronographed any 140gr factory rounds through a 16.5" barrel? I can do the math as well as anyone, but was wondering what the actual velocities turned out to be.

Thanks

I read the whole thread from beginning to end AGAIN!! Bottom line is the 260 is a very usable and accurate chambering!! It get's my vote for whitetail medicine for kids and folks of smaller frames and also works quite well for BIG folks too!! Is it a 25-06 for those deer from 50-500 yards.................damn close!!(no chambering will ever dislodge the 25--06 from GHD's and GOD'S chosen chambering!!!) Is it a long range varminter.......600-1000 yards? DEFINITELY!! The fact that it may die due to corporate decisions is similar to the fact that a .30Carbine is legal deer chambering in VA whereas a 22-250 Remington or 220 Swift isn't!! The people who write the laws and the people who practice the trade are two differnt groups!! GHD

There are really two rounds here.

One is the 6.5-.308 a wild catters dream, special for economical lange range varmint shooting or with the 139 Scenar, a very accurate match caliber. I love mine to death because it is phenominal out to 600 on prairie rats with the 100 grain SVHP.

The other is the .260 Remington, a marketing mistake and a sort of what can it do that the 7-08 or .243 can't do.

I love mine to death because it is phenominal out to 600 on prairie rats with the 100 grain SVHP.

And I really don't like the 6.5 in .30-06 size cases and larger. There's just too much power for consistent performance as a total system.

For those with .260 that want a litle more power, you might consider .260AI. I hear good reports from users.

Bigger cases really need 7mm in my view. I am currently experimenting with the 7mm 100 SVHP in the 7 WSM case. Jury is still out on this one. Expected velocity is 3600 vs 3270 for the 6.5-.308.

Here is what it looks like in the field.

Somebody needs to explain the REAL difference between a 6.5-308 and a .260? As far as what can a .260 do that a .243 can't? Well, for starters, it can throw a 140gr ball at a very letal 2700fps for starters. You know, about what factory ammo gets in the .243 with a 100gr bullet.

I have a Ruger Compact in .260 Rem that i load for my wife. It will shoot under 1" with 120 grain Nosler B.T.
I'm seriously thinking of getting a Rem model 7 in this caliber for my self.

The word is that Savage will chamber 6 models in 260 Rem next year from ultralight to heavy barreled versions.

The 6.5-08 has a slightly shorter neck then the 260 Rem. Other then that they are pretty close.

I built a 260 Rem on an Arisaka Type 38 which has a longer magazine then modern commercial rifles produced for the the 260. I throated it out so I could load the 140 grain bullets without seating past the bottom of the case neck.
It's a fine caliber and I feel that it is exactly between the 243 and 7mm-08 in performance on whitetail deer. I think it's much better then the 243 if you're going after large such as elk or moose. I think the 7mm-08 performs better on game, but like mentioned it has way more recoil then the 260.

At Camp Perry this year, US Army Sgt Sherri Gallagher shot a Tubb2000 rifle and the 260 rem to a new National record (2396/2400) across the course.

Yeah, The 260 is dead.

I think she used 107s for the short lines and 142s for 600.

Sgt. Gallager could have done as good with a 6.5X55 or any number of other cartridges. Unless the .260 gets a LOT of ADVERTISING HYPE it will remain an also ran for some time. For those who own and like a .260 it is their blessing. For the rest It ain't gonna do much. It exists only because it is a clone of an American military cartridge. If in 1954 the US military had come out with the 7.62X57 this thread would have been discussing it's great clone: the rebirth of the great 6.5X 57.
Who knows, maybe Savage will save its(.260s) bacon. Nahh roger

Fact is the .260 is a whitetail capable cartridge in a clogged field of capable whitetail cartridges but there's nothing to make it stand out in the crowd.

Is it gaining poplularity? Donno, maybe it should but the only story I've even heard about one came from a son-in-law who has a brother that bought a .260 for his wife about five years ago. The word is, it's done all they needed it to do. But, what hasn't?

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Originally posted by Jim C. <><:
Fact is the .260 is a whitetail capable cartridge in a clogged field of capable whitetail cartridges but there's nothing to make it stand out in the crowd.

Is it gaining poplularity? Donno, maybe it should but the only story I've even heard about one came from a son-in-law who has a brother that bought a .260 for his wife about five years ago. The word is, it's done all they needed it to do. But, what hasn't?

X2 roger

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Originally posted by Jim C. <><:
Fact is the .260 is a whitetail capable cartridge in a clogged field of capable whitetail cartridges but there's nothing to make it stand out in the crowd.

It's truly hard to disagree with this statement....except if one is a fanatic of short action rounds. The field is short IMO....243, .260, 7-08, and .308

IMO the .260 is the whitetail's worst enemy in the short action rounds. That said, the real world has a lot of .270 Win rifles that will do just fine.

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The field is short IMO....243, .260, 7-08, and .308

Valid. But, that makes it a quarter of that field and it got a much later start than the other three. The "new" .260 sorta gets lost in the dust of it's older brothers!

I was infatuated withe the 260 Rem for a while but I decided to go with it's much older brother. I recently ordered a CZ 550 Full Stock in 6.5x55. I blame it on Idaho Shapshooter since he sold me the same rifle in 9.3x62. Just seemed right to get the matching set.

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Just curious though.. Has anyone chronographed any 140gr factory rounds through a 16.5" barrel? I can do the math as well as anyone, but was wondering what the actual velocities turned out to be.

I don't shoot factory 260 ammo but if you sent me a couple rounds (or if there's a particular powder/bullet combination I happened to have on hand that you'e interested in) I could give you data from a 15" barrel which would be pretty close to 16.5"

The 260 is a great cartridge but doesn't really dethrone the Swede. The problem with both of them is that rifle manufacturers continue to fail them by not chambering enough rifles in either caliber. There is one selection from Ruger but I would rather have a 14" hand pistol over a 16" rifle and Remington's offering is not much better. Either cartridge is worth chambering in all of their rifle variants so I am kinda at a loss as to the limited offerings. Without manufacturer support both will certainly fade away in time.

To answer your question, it is losing it's foothold.

I think Remington has most of their capacity tied up making AR clones for the wannabes. I daresay if they re-named the .260 to the .260 tacticool, folks would break down the doors to buy them.

Gent I shoot with spent well over $2K getting a .260 from Remington's Custom Shop a month or so ago. I suggested the 6.5x55 Swede cartridge when he was trying to decide on cartridge in rifle. Chuckle, I may have contributed to his eliminating getting a 6.5x284.

I am planning on rebarreling a Stevens 200 in .243 to .260 Rem. once the barrel is shot out. I have a 6.5x55 Howa 1500, but it is throated so long it won't shoot anything lighter than the 129 gr Hornady SP with any accuracy. That is the one area I think (hope) the .260 barrel will be throated short enough for accuracy with the 95 gr Vmax or 90 gr TNT, as well as the 140 gr Nosler Partition in case I want to stick one in an elk someday. (Probably would use my .270 WSM with 150 gr Partitions if I do get a chance for elk.)
I still believe that if Remington had chambered the SPS line in the .260 Remington, it would have taken off. They also should have offered a reduced recoil round, as well as a factory 100 gr varmint round. A youth model also would have been a great idea. IF Savage does chamber the .260 next season, I will have to pick one up. Hopefully it will have at least a 22" barrel to get some decent ballistic potential.

I got three 6.5x308 and never have shot it at game.You see lots of them on the line when banging away at steel chicken, pigs , turkeys and ram out to 500 yards. I can break center on the 500 yard ram with the 139 gr lappua and still hit the chest over the front leg, when a 308 175 gr mk will blow of target with the same wind. 1/2 moa at 500 is not that hard with the 260 lots of great bullets and proven powders for the case. With the 160 gr round noses there are a lot of elk and moose falling to the 6.5 in Europe. It's not just a deer or varmit rifle.
I have a long action sako set up for one that I am thinking of rechambering to a 6.5-3006. Hard to beat the teka in 6.5x 55 though for price and accuracy.

JD

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Originally posted by wasbeeman:
Somebody needs to explain the REAL difference between a 6.5-308 and a .260? As far as what can a .260 do that a .243 can't?

One of the best long range bullets is the 139 6.5 SCENAR. Medium bullet with very high G1. Hook this up with one of the best parent cartridges, the .308 Winchester, and in my personal opinion you have a really fine long range performer. (Fixes everything wrong with the M118LR)

On the other hand mate it with a good 100 grain varmint bullet and you have an excellent performer in the heavy prairie dog arena. MV at 3270 in conservative loads. Accuracy? I usually get all touching at 200 yards. Most of the rounds in my inventory are necked down and fire formed Winchester 7-08 brass.

The .260 Remington on the other hand in factory loadings have nothing to recommend them. That was the reason for my comment. .243 is probably a superior factory loading.

But, I was shooting 6.5-08 long before anyone ever heard of the .260. Some guys swear by the .260AI which I considered, but was too cheap to buy extra set of dies.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
This leads me to a question:
how many of you actually load and shoot more than one, or perhaps two bullets in a rifle?
You read a lot about the versatility and flexibility RE bullets and powder with some cartridges. In the real world, how often does that happen?

Rich
DRSS

Rich,

In my 7mm-08 I have loads with 120, 140, 150, and 170 gr bullets. All these loads shoot within 2" at 100 yds with the same sight setting. This rifle is the exception as I load only one bullet in my 25/06 and 270 WSM.

As to the original question, the .260 is a fine cartridge but too close to the 7mm-08 to overtake it in popularity.

One rifle, one good load and use it on everything. Then I look for another niche so's I can buy another rifle and start over with something else.

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Is the 260 Remington gaining a foothold in the States.

IMO it's the best thing to happen to the .308 case.....

Gaining a foothold?....I've never seen anyone hunt with it.....I'd say no.