what are your wildcat ideas for the ruger case???

besides a straight neck up what i think is a kindofa neet idea because of the .529 readings of the 375 ruger casehead (per white bison) and chamber slop is to shorten the ruger dies to form cases 2.17" (.41" shorter than the 2.58" case length) and make a short action 375 ruger by chambering to the depth 2.17" as well. the shoulder of the ruger is .515" so that means it has 13 thou body taper over its 2.1797" body length or approx 6 thou per inch of body and by shortening it by 1/2" that is losing 3 thou in body taper giving it the measured .529" casehead...so if my math is not "fuzzy" and my dimensions hold up this is a doable project with soon to be avaliable dies and reamers. it will have the same capacity as the wsm's and have a proper headstamp...well kinda. load it to get old school 375 h+h velocities. and have fun in a super light weight compact handy rifle. call it the 375 ruger short.

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Originally posted by boom stick:
what are your wildcat ideas for the ruger case???

besides a straight neck up what i think is a kindofa neet idea because of the .529 readings of the 375 ruger casehead (per white bison) and chamber slop is to shorten the ruger dies to form cases 2.17" (.41" shorter than the 2.58" case length) and make a short action 375 ruger by chambering to the depth 2.17" as well. the shoulder of the ruger is .515" so that means it has 13 thou body taper over its 2.1797" body length or approx 6 thou per inch of body and by shortening it by 1/2" that is losing 3 thou in body taper giving it the measured .529" casehead...so if my math is not "fuzzy" and my dimensions hold up this is a doable project with soon to be avaliable dies and reamers. it will have the same capacity as the wsm's and have a proper headstamp...well kinda. load it to get old school 375 h+h velocities. and have fun in a super light weight compact handy rifle. call it the 375 ruger short.

Yes, but....why? Really? If you need .375 dia. bullets, does that not mean you are hunting somthing rather big? And in that case is not magazine capasity more important than action length? I just see no gain over a .375 Hawk on this one.....
Not that I say we always need a reason to make a cat, but I like to think the cats I make are more than just a necked up/down version of an available case... sorry.....

o.k. its an idea that does not have mass appeal i admit...

how would you wildcat the ruger case?

the only other thing i see is an improved/unimproved depends how you look at it shoulder with more of a slope say 15 to 20 degrees

i guess the 423-240 wby is the best idea to come around here lately

How would I wildcat the ruger case....

I probably would not at all.

The thing about the Ruger is that it takes up just as much capasity as the Jeffery round, whilst the 9,3x64 gives one more.
So for larger than .423, I would go with the Jeffery, and for the ones below I would go with the Brenneke - or the faboulus '06!
Screaming velocity is not my cup of tea - at lest not for calibres above .300.

But so far, my favorite is the one necked up to .458, plain and simple, and I think Ruger would have more succes with that, than the .416.

Or maybe a nice moderniced .435.....

Yes, we did well on the 423-240, that one will be a peach!

this is from another thread...

http://ammoguide.com/?catid=265

the 425 westley richards has the same capacity as the 375 ruger (.425 is 435"dia for those that dont know) and the base is similar enough so that you could use 425 wr dies and loads to make the biggest dia on the ruger case. the old school w.r. did 410@ 2350 for perspective.

an unrebated w.r. is kinda a neet idea

I still think the best case basis for a wildcat
is the vintage .30 Newton case. P.O. Ackley did this in a .270 & 7mm using the .30 Newton case.
I took the clues & made up a ".280 Newton" by necking down the .30 Newton to 7mm and it turned out to be a 'wowser" of a 7mm. And necked up to make a .416 Newton (later used .375 Ruger cases for this as new brass, stronger case). Happy with that one. I don't find anything wrong with just necking up or down a well designed case...if the parent case is a fine design...why be concerned if only necking up or down. In that respect, I disagree in that respect with Fossdal. If you have a good case design, why is it necessary to make more changes
just to say you did?
Also, Gipson necked a .35 Newton to .375 to make a .375 Newton basically...and the write ups were stating the loads were very high in velocity, eclipsing easily the .375 H&H in a nice short, unbelted case. Also, Neidner
necked the Newton up to .400 & called it the .400 Neidner...also Gipson. An better cartridge than the .400 Whelan
with a decent neck.
best Regards,,
Tom

as an additional comment...Marc jamison is going to make New Newton Brass...in the .30 Newton & .35 Newton...the complaints I used to get was "where do
you get Newton Brass" lots of inquiries from wildcatters wanting to have a Newton cartridge rifle...
Soon there will be no excuses! Midway has the brass to be available this June...
Best Regards,
Tom

To me the question is, what niches can a rugercat fill better than other options?

The cornerstone idea behind the .375 Ruger is African magnum class case volume combined with long action dimensions. So the automatic choices are a .416 Ruger and .458 Ruger, the former providing .416 RM performance and the latter providing maybe Lott velocities.

Going the other direction, I can see a .358 Ruger and a 9.3 Ruger, both with the shoulder set back quite a ways so that velocities and recoil split the difference between a .35 Whelen and a .375 H&H. And hypothetically I wouldn't be too surprised to see a .300 Ruger, basically replicating the .300 Wby. Though these days there seems to be waning interest in the fast supermags. Maybe the 1000 yard crowd will develop a 7mm Short Ruger or something.

the newton round can be formed with ruger brass...i have one here on my desk. it will be a tad better than the original but not much mostly due to case design. the 358 norma and newton is what you describe. belt or non belted...i love the newton for the reason of pushing heavy 35 bullets and cheap ones too

I have a Ruger Hawkeye African in .375 Ruger, and the chief virtue in the combination for me is the power of the cartridge combined with the lighter weight of the package. The rifle handles better than my other .375 H&H rifles.

Considering where you can take the cartridge, if you consider them in the same rifle package I would look at cartridges in the .400 and up region.

On the far side of the .423" I think you will want more size and weight in the rifle. So I wouldn't go for a .450 in this rifle where I think a .400 would be useful.

Going down from .375 I see a lot of already good established cartridges and wildcats. You could re-do the Newton cartridges, but I am not sure you gain anything real except a new headstamp.

jim

Couch Tater: What you are describing.."shoulder set back...etc." fits the Newton. Whatever one you might so desire....280,
.30, .35, .375, .416 Newtons...
all derive from the .30 Newton or .35 Newton case that Marc Jamison is in the business of making the
.30 & .35 Newton Brass.
I have both a .280 &.416 Newton "wildcats" made up on Newton cases, and more recently on the .375 Ruger case. Boom Stick is correct in his comment on this.
Best Regards,
Tom