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It is all down to his “persona”, is it?

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As Saeed stated; It is a case of "Do As I Say, Not As I Do"!

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Originally posted by cal pappas:

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As Saeed stated; It is a case of "Do As I Say, Not As I Do"!

A quote from the little one about his own shooting of South African farm animals from the back of a vehicle. He won't even get out of the vehicle to shoot! (source: Cal's post on page two of this thread of Saeed's hypocrisy and lies).

Read 'em and weep.
cal

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
Hi Saeed:
I did not pay Mark a cent. That's the truth.
I, too, get emails and PMs about this thread.
Here are two:

"Cal. I'm mostly a lurker on AR, but I have to compliment your eloquence and humor in the MS hunt post. I haven't enjoyed reading a post more, EVER. Thanks for a great hunt report and one of the greatest parodies of all time."

"Hi Cal ,
It’s been a while that I have been in contact.

I’ve just been reading your Accurate Reloading post and thought it’s a must to drop you a congratulations first on your hunt with Mark.

Secondly keep on taking the piss out of the midget!!! He has nothing to say but repeat his, for lack of a better word ‘shit’ over and over. Love the pic of Mark's shoes next to his and the pick of SSSS safaris is just hilarious!!! Well done mate, about time someone got a message accross to the idiot that shooting over 100 buffalo from miles away doesn’t count for shit. I only wish he could stand in front of one of those wounded buffs Mark stands in front of, to see him shit himself!!"

Again, Saeed my friend, how about some names of those that claim they kicked his ass in Dar? Or is is more of, "I heard..."

The offer of a truce is still open. But, at 5200 views and growing, Mark still brings them out!

I'm off to hunt caribou in two days and will be gone for about a week.
Cal

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And some folks actually believe hunting has a future!

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

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And some folks actually believe hunting has a future!

Now things have decayed from voicing opinions about Mark Sullivan to attacking people on how they hunt.

The ONLY standard that matters or should matter to any of us that truly love to hunt and for hunting to have a future, is that however it is done, it is done so in a Legally Accepted/Sanctioned Manner!

None of us are forced to hunt in a manner we are not comfortable with and none of us should attempt to shame or ostracize another hunter of their choices as long as they are LEGAL.

As we all that participate on this site are aware of folks that are working to end hunting can/do and will use such comments that have been made by hunters toward each other against all of us.

It is a shame to see the rest of AR get as screwed up as the Crater is.

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
Gentlemen:
Here is my buffalo hunt with Mark Sullivan. However, you will get a slightly shorter version as a new magazine, Africa’s Sportsman, wants me to be a regular contributor in all things double. (Rifles, guys, not breasts).

I spent five days at Basie Kuhn’s Haakdoorn Safaris ranch/farm. It was a living stage play with the actors being:

Mark Sullivan—PH and SA tour guide.
Cal Pappas—hunter from Alaska.
Basie Kuhn—owner of Haakdoorn Safaris.
Angela—Basie’s lovely wife.
Basie and Angela’s three daughters—Chene’ (17), Shayla (14), Sheena (10).
Johann Biewenga—farm manager and SA PH registered for both plains and dangerous game.
Joey—Johann’s lovely wife
Stefan Fouche’—1/3 owner of the African’s Sportsman magazine, there to get the story.
Andrew Tolmay—camera man and 1/3 owner of the AS magazine, there to video the hunt.
Clarence Voyles from North Carolina also to hunt buffalo and plains game.
Steven—tracker.
All played a role that, when combined, made the final production an Oscar winner.

I checked in to Alaska Airlines in Anchorage, They took the checked bag with the ammo box in it and I then took the rifle case to TSA inspection. Three hours later I was in Seattle and I had to collect my bags and recheck with Emirates as they reweighed all of my bags, including my carryon and personal bag, had to examine the rifle and check my Emirates permit, and count and weigh my ammunition. TSA in Anchorage cut the clocks off the ammo box and Emirates would not accept the ammo without locks. A quick thinking counter person offered plastic ties and that was acceptable. My carryon was too heavy so I took out two books and placed one in the checked bag and the other in my rifle case. If still too heavy the excess charge was $200 for an extra checked bag.

I arrived at 5:30 am SA time at OR Tambo airport and Basie was there to pick me up. Emirates is a great airline as to comfort and food! A police officer was a rude pain in the ass for my gun permit so it took 20 minutes as he took a 10 minute break as no on other hunters were there.

Basie and I drove to Pretoria for some of KFC and Stefen picked me up there or the trip to the farm as Basie had some business to take care of. Basie, then, flew his helicopter to the ranch and was there when we arrived. Stefen publishes the Africa’s Sportsman magazine and Andrew is his cameraman. Both are part owners in the magazine.

Clarence V. was to meet me in Dubai but he did not get the permit from Emirates. They would not let him fly but refunded all of his money except for $400. He then booked a last minute flight on Delta and arrived at 10pm that day. Johann drove him to get him and they arrived in camp at 1am. Clarence is from North Carolina and has attended the Alaska double shoot the past two years and stayed at my home.

The first day Basie gave me a tour of his holdings. 15,000 acres (approximately) with lots of plains game a buffalo. The center of the property is a huge flat plain covered with brown grass about two feet in height. Lots of animals were seen and, since an impala was needed for the camp pot, I shot an average male. He was standing facing to my left at 48 meters as measured from a range finder. One shot with my .600 Wilkes put a large hole through him and he ran a bit until he was out of blood. The photo is of the exit hole. A great and memorable night at the fire listing to Mark’s stories and jokes that caused me to wet myself I was laughing so hard.









Off for buffalo the second morning. 15,000 plus acres of bush of varying thickness and a huge piece of plains grass land about 2x8 miles. We spotted plains game and several buffalo in the grass which was two feet high. When we closed in on the bull I wanted he was laying down and side ways to us and Mark could not tell his horns to see if he was the buffalo we sought. Then he was up and started to run, turning away from us he looked back. Mark said he was the one and I took a quick snap shot and shot but shot over him—a complete miss. Two more shots were a waste as he was too far away and still running. Off for nearly three hours of followup. He was not wounded so we let him quiet down and we went back to camp for lunch. Also, the wind was blowing not only hard but changing directions and the buffalo winded us many times. We would circle and the wind would shift and he would run. All of this was took place in the huge grass plain. I haver never been able to take running or snap shots with my heavy double. Lack of practice, I guess.

After lunch we searched for a few hours and found the bull again 3/4 to a mile away. He laid down in the grass after we watched him for some time. We made the stalk. Mark and I marked his location on a distant tree on the horizon so we knew approximately where he was and we walked a straight line towards him. However, we didn’t know the distance he was at. The wind was blowing hard but towards us and not shifting so that was a big plus.

At 50 yards or so we were close and Steven saw a horn tip above the grass. Now we knew the distance and it was a matter of time until he faced us. Mark and I walked very slowly through the grass, as quite as possible, with Andrew and his camera behind us. 50 yards, then 40, then 30, then 20. A few more steps and the buff sensed something. He stood up to face us. Mark identified him as the buff we were after and said, “Take him.”

During the stalk I was thinking to keep the bead low in the shallow V of my double. It was a 1914 vintage John Wilkes double rifle in the great .600 nitro express caliber. Snap shooting causes me to take a large bead in the V and shoot high. Now the time was here. It was now or never. A miss or wound in the late afternoon would give very limited time for a stalk and followup. Nightfall could cause us to lose him and have to take up the spoor in the am. The buffalo could be anywhere by then. In retrospect I would have liked to shoot for the brain as that is the classic Sullivan trademark.

The 16-pound .600 came up to my shoulder quickly and I took a fine bead on the center of his chest and pressed the rear trigger. (I have always shot the left barrel/rear trigger first for 25 years. It is now a reflex. When the rifle is raised to my shoulder I slip the automatic safety to off as I place my finger on the rear trigger. When the rifle is at my shoulder, it is ready to fire). The buffalo’s rear legs collapsed and he fell instantly. My finger was now on the front trigger but I knew he was not going anywhere. I reloaded the empty barrel just in case the unimaginable happened but when the rear legs collapse as they did a spine hit is evident.

A moment later Mark and I moved around and approached the buffalo from the back side. He was breathing a bit laboredly so I put an insurance shot down from the top of his shoulder for a quicker end but it was really not needed. He was an amazing buffalo. Huge bodied—seemingly bigger than others I have shot. The horns and boss were amazing to see close up. From the distance when he was first spotted he was estimated to be 42 inches. A tape measure gave only an approximate figure of 43 1/4 inches. The boss was a good 14. We rolled him over in the small clearing he was in for pictures.







To reflect on the experience and to compare the buff I have shot in Zimbabwe: there is no doubt hunting in South Africa has a different flavor than my beloved Zim (after the hunt I would fly to Zim for my 14th trip there). SA does not have the feeling of wild Africa but on a large ranch fair chase hunting is still a challenge. I have hunted ranches in Zim (Dingwall and Marakanga) and had great experiences there as well as several others in SA, also.

Basie’s ranch is a huge piece of real estate. We walked for hours, and drove, too, and did not see a fence after we left the camp area. There is a border fence and also a fence around the living areas but the land is open and wild, both wooded and bush and the large grass area. Plains game abounds as are many shootable buffalo. Kudu there are easily in the mid-50 inch mark. As in SA, I have shot sable on a ranch in Zim and three consecutive years hunted a ranch in southern Zim for plains game and leopard. It was not “put and take” by any stretch of the imagination. While some may find fault with my hunting there I will defend it as fair chase and did walk my tail off, both on my hunt and when a friend wounded a buffalo and the chase took from 8am until the very last light at 6pm.

At the skinning shed the bullets were found and each lost three grains. The Woodleigh solids weighed in both at 897 grains. The bullet that hit the spine had a slight bell to it and the solid that was shot down through the top of his shoulders remained in original condition except with some rifling.

I also know having Mark Sullivan as my PH may begin a bit of a controversy, but I will stand by these words: Mark is one of the finest gentlemen I have ever known. He knows Africa, the black population, the animals, tracking, and all aspects of hunting dangerous game. In addition he has a great sense of humor, is honest-ethical-truthful, and can drink with the best of them. He is a true American patriot with a deep sense of God, family, and country with a strong conviction of borders, language, culture, and the conservative ideals that made America the envy of the world. He is VERY politically savvy. And, of course, his ability with a double rifle is legendary. I have known him for years and am proud to call him my friend. I hope to hunt with him again.

Basie’s Haakdoorn Safaris is absolutely the best and most comfortable hunting camp I have ever been in. His family is actively participating in the operation. His wife, Angela, and their three daughters are there riding horses, preparing the meals, and fun company, etc. The game is managed with limited take off so the animal populations remain stable. Basie forbids shooting from a vehicle.

The game available are buffalo, giraffe, kudu, roan, gemsbok, blesbok, eland, red hartebeest, impala, warthog, sable, zebra, waterbuck, blue wildebeest, and the bird shooting is fabulous. While many hunting operations will state, “Come as a client and leave as a friend” I can attest this to be true in my experience there. I will return for another buffalo next year. Haakdoorn Safaris has my highest recommendation. If any of you gents out there wish to join me next year, please contact me. If a few of you would like to go on a small group hunt and shoot your buffalo with my .600 we can “make a plan.”

I spent three more days on the ranch attending another hunt as an observer and waking and going on game drives to photograph. Then, I flew to Harare to visit friends in Zim for two weeks with one week at a camp on the Zambezi River fishing and photographing game animals. My (almost) yearly vacations and hunts in Africa get better each year. Plans are made now for 2019-20-21. Life is good. Standing in the parking lot at WalMart with a sign asking for money for an African hunt has really paid off!

Thanks for reading this and let the games begin.
Cal

PS. As a side bar: my flight home.
In Harare all went fine with security and rifle check in going smoothly. The rifle was inspected by both Emirates and the Zimbabwe police. Ammo was counted by the police and weighed by Emirates. My bags and carryon were also weighed.
In Dubai I was screened upon departing the plane, then again at the gate, and again at the door where my carryon bags were opened and searched. Carryons were also weighted.
In Seattle, as there is no baggage agreement between the two airlines if a firearm is involved. So, I collected all baggage and gun case, customs inspected the rifle, then to the check in desk at Alaska Air and the rifle again inspected at TSA. I probably will fly Delta again to avoid all the security by having one airline between Alaska and South Africa.

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I wonder if participating in an ILLEGAL hunt overseas has anything to do with the Lacey Act!!??

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

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I wonder if participating in an ILLEGAL hunt overseas has anything to do with the Lacey Act!!??

And that Saeed is something no one on here has any control over.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Yes, I aem sure most folks do not want to get tied up with anything they can be prosecuted for.

That does not change the fact that like this discussion do not do anything but create unnecssary lines of division that the hunting community can not afford.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Want to watch this forum dry up even further than it has?

Let it get out that the forum administrator is attempting to encourage an investigation into a false Lacy Act violation against a highly respected member just because he doesn't like one of the fellows sharing the camp fire in a hunt report.

I suggest that would be the very last hunt report ever filed on the site!

Just the suggestion of such an action is cause for caution for continued participation.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Want to watch this forum dry up even further than it has?

Let it get out that the forum administrator is attempting to encourage an investigation into a false Lacy Act violation against a highly respected member just because he doesn't like one of the fellows sharing the camp fire in a hunt report.

I suggest that would be the very last hunt report ever filed on the site!

Just the suggestion of such an action is cause for caution for continued participation.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Want to watch this forum dry up even further than it has?

Let it get out that the forum administrator is attempting to encourage an investigation into a false Lacy Act violation against a highly respected member just because he doesn't like one of the fellows sharing the camp fire in a hunt report.

I suggest that would be the very last hunt report ever filed on the site!

Just the suggestion of such an action is cause for caution for continued participation.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Let's be real here. Saeed's hatred for Sullivan is long established. His vitriol on this particular thread to that end demonstrate nothing short of a loss of personal composure, regardless of whether you are a fan or a foe of Sullivan.

Cal listed the name of the licensed PH. I'm sure the paperwork is all in order as such and the PH was present in the field and with the hunting party the entire time.

But the real point I'm making is that when the man who runs one of the, if not THE No. 1 hunting forums, and specifically African hunting forums, starts using his position of influence to possibly induce a trumped up (pardon the term) charge against Cal, a charge that could irreparably ruin the man's life for good, solely based on his hatred of a man in camp, with no proof that any violation actually occurred, well I say that has a chilling effect.

So Saeed has broached the subject of a Lacy Act Violation. My question is, is that all he's done or intends to do? I'm sure he knows people of influence that could cause this issue to go further than a simple post on Cal's thread. What are his intentions along those lines? From his responses on this thread so far, I'm not sure the level of vindictiveness to do so is beyond him.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Let's be real here. Saeed's hatred for Sullivan is long established. His vitriol on this particular thread to that end demonstrate nothing short of a loss of personal composure, regardless of whether you are a fan or a foe of Sullivan.

Cal listed the name of the licensed PH. I'm sure the paperwork is all in order as such and the PH was present in the field and with the hunting party the entire time.

But the real point I'm making is that when the man who runs one of the, if not THE No. 1 hunting forums, and specifically African hunting forums, starts using his position of influence to possibly induce a trumped up (pardon the term) charge against Cal, a charge that could irreparably ruin the man's life for good, solely based on his hatred of a man in camp, with no proof that any violation actually occurred, well I say that has a chilling effect.

So Saeed has broached the subject of a Lacy Act Violation. My question is, is that all he's done or intends to do? I'm sure he knows people of influence that could cause this issue to go further than a simple post on Cal's thread. What are his intentions along those lines? From his responses on this thread so far, I'm not sure the level of vindictiveness to do so is beyond him.

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Did you expect anything else, as the man in discussion has cultivated controversy to benefit his ego.

He has repeatedly insulted all other professional hunters as being nothing but cowards.

The client who choose to hunt with him could not shoot worth a damn!

And to top it off right now he is involved in illegal hunts!!??

Do not take my word for it!

Cal put everything right here.

I am only pointing out the whole stupidity of these sad episodes.

Shawn and Cal have a lot to answer to!

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Originally posted by Bill73:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Want to watch this forum dry up even further than it has?

Let it get out that the forum administrator is attempting to encourage an investigation into a false Lacy Act violation against a highly respected member just because he doesn't like one of the fellows sharing the camp fire in a hunt report.

I suggest that would be the very last hunt report ever filed on the site!

Just the suggestion of such an action is cause for caution for continued participation.

The facts speak for themselves here,Mark's style of hunting is repugnant to a lot of people,I respect Cal,he hunted with Mark as the PH as written by him,his choice & he had a good hunt,his money & he can spend it as he wants,but Mark is not a licensed PH in SA is he? it would also seem rather odd that he is present on these hunts & not getting paid ???
Saeed is only pointing out these facts,why would he allow this kind of stuff to go on here? he provides a free forum to all including you,people hurl the most vile insults at him,surely he reserves the right to call things out as he sees it & in this case borne out by the facts!!

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But don't get your knickers in the twist when you lie and get called out.

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Originally posted by Russ Gould:
The hunt may or may not be legal .. but unless Sullivan is an RSA resident, in order for him to enter RSA with a firearm, he would need to be a CLIENT on a letter of invitation from a RSA PH and he would need to declare the purpose of said importation. In addition, he cannot WORK in RSA without a work permit. So for his sake, I trust he did NOT get paid directly or indirectly, and I also trust that rifle in the photos was a loaner and not a rifle imported by him ...

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Originally posted by nickh:
Guys
My 2 cents worth….

How is the hunt illegal?

As has been stated, the hunt was legal, there was a licensed PH during the hunt at all times who's name is on the permit.
On top of that, the same PH is the Ranch owner and outfitter!

Whoever else was in attendance on the hunt is irrelevant!!!!

This bickering over MS is just plain nonsense and
really denigrates this Forum.

Cal went on a hunt and posted his report.
I question why anyone would really post anymore hunt reports after this…..

I'm done with posting reports ……..

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Originally posted by eagle27:

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Originally posted by nickh:
Guys
My 2 cents worth….

How is the hunt illegal?

As has been stated, the hunt was legal, there was a licensed PH during the hunt at all times who's name is on the permit.
On top of that, the same PH is the Ranch owner and outfitter!

Whoever else was in attendance on the hunt is irrelevant!!!!

This bickering over MS is just plain nonsense and
really denigrates this Forum.

Cal went on a hunt and posted his report.
I question why anyone would really post anymore hunt reports after this…..

I'm done with posting reports ……..

The licenced SA PH is the farm manager Johann, not the Ranch owner and outfitter, Basie. It is not stated if Basie, is licensed.

The whole narrative in Cal's report indicates that Mark decided what, where and when to shoot, carried what looks like his favorite double and presumably if things had gone south was going to provide the back up to the clients. Where did Johann the licensed PH fit in to all this? Was he in a position to back up or just accompanying the hunt to provide the presence of a licensed PH? Can anyone carry a firearm and stalk game without the necessary trophy tags i.e. can observers who have not paid trophy fees also carry guns when accompanying a friend on a hunt?
While the hunt may have been legal in terms of having a licensed PH accompanying the clients, and I accept Cal's word on this, I struggle to see how Mark fitted in to the picture. Was he paid by the outfitter to act as a PH or paid by the outfitter to be a 'client' accompanying others on a hunt. Does he do this out of the kindness of his heart?

Was this just a one off for Cal or is Mark conducting business, essentially doing the job as a PH, for the ranch/outfitter owner under the cover of another PH's license. Is this legal or just a little technicality that can be ignored?

Perhaps this does provide an insight into the ill feeling that Mark attracts from other PH's who go out of their way to become licensed and make a living from it.

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Originally posted by Njati:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Let's be real here. Saeed's hatred for Sullivan is long established. His vitriol on this particular thread to that end demonstrate nothing short of a loss of personal composure, regardless of whether you are a fan or a foe of Sullivan.

Cal listed the name of the licensed PH. I'm sure the paperwork is all in order as such and the PH was present in the field and with the hunting party the entire time.

But the real point I'm making is that when the man who runs one of the, if not THE No. 1 hunting forums, and specifically African hunting forums, starts using his position of influence to possibly induce a trumped up (pardon the term) charge against Cal, a charge that could irreparably ruin the man's life for good, solely based on his hatred of a man in camp, with no proof that any violation actually occurred, well I say that has a chilling effect.

So Saeed has broached the subject of a Lacy Act Violation. My question is, is that all he's done or intends to do? I'm sure he knows people of influence that could cause this issue to go further than a simple post on Cal's thread. What are his intentions along those lines? From his responses on this thread so far, I'm not sure the level of vindictiveness to do so is beyond him.

I think it’s safe to say that he didn’t take well to being called a midget