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If it is mature in my eyes and acceptable to my clients eyes I will take it and be happy with it!

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But I will tell you this, you plug that 5 year old black maned guy and you will not get any harsh words from me!

Tim, I understand the constraints placed on the PH by the concession you are in, aside from that, I would say the two quotes above say about everything worth saying on this subject.
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Tim

I finally got logged on to AR. I am the one that sent you the e-mail prior to your departure.

First off it sounds like you are having a great, classic safari in a true wilderness area. Other than not finding the "right lion" so far what more could you ask for?

Back to the question from my original e-mail: Could you give us your general observation about the elephant situation in Niassa? Even though they cannot currently be imported into the US, elephant are the "Big Ticket" animal in Niassa. I know that Kambako took a really nice 100 pounder in 2010 but I have not heard any recent reports from 2011 or 2012.

Reliable reports of incresed poaching have been circulating as well and I HOPE that Kambako's areas have been spared.

Have you seen any poached elephant carcasses?

I spoke with someone today who hunted with anoter Niassa operator in August 2011. He had a great safari taking all of the animals he was looking for BUT did see 6 or 7 poached elephant carcases. They even set up blinds and hunted lions over one of the carcasses. He did say that he saw a good number of live elephants on his safari as well.

Good luck the next 6 days!
 
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Congrats on a great safari! The sable and zebra are stunners and the actual lion hunt is JUST THAT.... a true hunter on a true hunt.

Success for the safari is not measured in the harvest but in the character to which the hunter conducts the hunt! beer

Keep up the good fight, and I wish you luck on finding a proper lion.


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wow- thats tough Tim! Having been on the receiving end of the "save the lion campaign" with regards to age of the cat, I sent in two skulls of lion shot last season to 3 individuals considered experts in lions and lion aging.

This including Chap Esterhuizen who has been heavily involved in the Save lions and now is Zimbabwes leading Gov vet focusing on wildlife and lions in-particular and even with the aid of unlimited time, tape measures , magnifine glasses etc we had ages varying from 4 to 6.

So my question is how the heck to do you make a call in the bush even if you have the unlikely situation of perfect light and at 20 yards? Like me or not for saying this- If it is mature in my eyes and acceptable to my clients eyes I will take it and be happy with it!

If areas like the above and some Tanzanian areas that have these strict rules then I feel that once a lion has been unsuccessfully hunted they should not be aloud to re-sell these hunts as re selling a single lion 5 times over as seems to happen leads me to think that this may be a financial decision rather then a conversational one!

All that said Tim I really hope that in your remaining days you find a blind, geriatric, toothless, arthritic lame lion that is not totally bald - then may be, just maybe ,he will pass the test and you will shoot your hard earned trophy! Good luck Tim you do deserve one for sure!


Buzz,
Not to turn Tim's thread into a pissing match...but with the skulls in hand...it is fairly cut-and-dry to get with in 6 months of actual age and quite easy to tell a 4 from a 6. You need some better experts! Wink


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First thing first, I sure as hell hope you get your lion Tim, you deserve one! Second, Buzz must stop reading my mind !! I agree with his post to the last word. We have done the very same thing with skulls, and we get the same results-confusion and then 'expert' pissing matches. I AM NOT a lion expert, yet I have hunted and filmed them in most of Africa where they are hunted. The PH is in a hell of a spot, as is his client( even experienced and informed guys like Tim) But some of the adventure and mystery is leaking out of this sport when the PH has to flip through his photo book to verify the info on the every lion in the hunters scope.See TGT. Is it wrong? Jury is still out on that. Is it money or conservation driven? Probably some of both depending on the outfit. But I will tell you this, you plug that 5 year old black maned guy and you will not get any harsh words from me!
Wishing You all the luck Tim, I think you deserve it.


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Stu tells me the ele poaching in Niassa as a whole is definitely an issue, but they are not getting hit real hard here in their block. Their anti-poaching team is doing a pretty good job. We have seen no dead eles at all or any signs of any poaching...


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Stu tells me the ele poaching in Niassa as a whole is definitely an issue, but they are not getting hit real hard here in their block. Their anti-poaching team is doing a pretty good job. We have seen no dead eles at all or any signs of any poaching...


Good to hear!
 
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Good luck Tim. In two weeks I will begin my own quest for a lion. We will see how picky Buzz is then. I really enjoy following your daily reports. I hope everything falls into place for you.


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Tough to wak away from a beauty lion like the one you described. Good for you and your Ph. I hope you run into mister right before you head for home.
Enjoying the suspense.



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Good luck Tim. In two weeks I will begin my own quest for a lion. We will see how picky Buzz is then. I really enjoy following your daily reports. I hope everything falls into place for you.


Here's to wishing your's goes well also Mike! I hope you get a good one!!
 
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Buzz,
Not to turn Tim's thread into a pissing match...but with the skulls in hand...it is fairly cut-and-dry to get with in 6 months of actual age and quite easy to tell a 4 from a 6. You need some better experts! Wink


I don't want to derail a good hunting report but I am curious about knowing more. Can you please explain it further for a novice like me? PM me if that's ok. Thanks


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I am enjoying your field reports very much. I hope you have a wonderful time there and thank you for taking us all along for free Cool


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But some of the adventure and mystery is leaking out of this sport when the PH has to flip through his photo book to verify the info on the every lion in the hunters scope.See TGT.


Do you mind elaborating on this Dave?


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what Harris said!


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Tim..any reports from today?
 
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Several outfits have provides small booklets (yes I have seen them) to their PH teams with pic's and data taken on various males in their concession. They update the data as new info comes in. I AM NOT putting that kind of hard work down, let me clear on that. I do the same, but less detailed thing on our whitetail operation in TX. But it is my personal feeling that sitting in a blind with a PH holding a "player program" takes something away from the mystery of the hunt. My personal feelings only. Info is good, as well as hard to attain in most cases. You may fee; differently, which is fine.


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Several outfits have provides small booklets (yes I have seen them) to their PH teams with pic's and data taken on various males in their concession. They update the data as new info comes in. I AM NOT putting that kind of hard work down, let me clear on that. I do the same, but less detailed thing on our whitetail operation in TX. But it is my personal feeling that sitting in a blind with a PH holding a "player program" takes something away from the mystery of the hunt. My personal feelings only. Info is good, as well as hard to attain in most cases. You may fee; differently, which is fine.


That's a good point Dave. When does it approach a Namibian Black Rhino hunt where the three males designated for harvest are chosen beforehand.


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wow- thats tough Tim! Having been on the receiving end of the "save the lion campaign" with regards to age of the cat, I sent in two skulls of lion shot last season to 3 individuals considered experts in lions and lion aging.

This including Chap Esterhuizen who has been heavily involved in the Save lions and now is Zimbabwes leading Gov vet focusing on wildlife and lions in-particular and even with the aid of unlimited time, tape measures , magnifine glasses etc we had ages varying from 4 to 6.

So my question is how the heck to do you make a call in the bush even if you have the unlikely situation of perfect light and at 20 yards? Like me or not for saying this- If it is mature in my eyes and acceptable to my clients eyes I will take it and be happy with it!

If areas like the above and some Tanzanian areas that have these strict rules then I feel that once a lion has been unsuccessfully hunted they should not be aloud to re-sell these hunts as re selling a single lion 5 times over as seems to happen leads me to think that this may be a financial decision rather then a conversational one!

All that said Tim I really hope that in your remaining days you find a blind, geriatric, toothless, arthritic lame lion that is not totally bald - then may be, just maybe ,he will pass the test and you will shoot your hard earned trophy! Good luck Tim you do deserve one for sure!


Buzz,
Not to turn Tim's thread into a pissing match...but with the skulls in hand...it is fairly cut-and-dry to get with in 6 months of actual age and quite easy to tell a 4 from a 6. You need some better experts! Wink


Buzz - What Lane says here is true! Not that it has anything to do with hunting/field conditions, but it is a factual statement.

I feel for ya Tim, as I know you want a lion pretty bad! I think the lion you are interested in looks pretty nice, but considering the circumstances of the rules in the Niassa - seems like you are guys are doing the best you can.

Good luck to ya my friend, it appears overall the hunt is really going well.


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Aaron, We don't have a photo of the last lion we turned down. It blows the two in the photos away. Doesn't matter at this point.


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Tim, amazing as usual! What a Sable! Exactly what I couldn't kill on our last trip over. Keep after them. Figured you were over there having fun. I sent some pics for you to look at when you get home.

Good luck with the Lion! I'll be checking in to see the pics.

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That is one UGLY looking Rifle. Practical maybe, but UGLY stir


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Several outfits have provides small booklets (yes I have seen them) to their PH teams with pic's and data taken on various males in their concession. They update the data as new info comes in. I AM NOT putting that kind of hard work down, let me clear on that. I do the same, but less detailed thing on our whitetail operation in TX. But it is my personal feeling that sitting in a blind with a PH holding a "player program" takes something away from the mystery of the hunt. My personal feelings only. Info is good, as well as hard to attain in most cases. You may fee; differently, which is fine.


Thx for the explanation Dave. I did note you mentioned TGT in your post and was trying to understand if that is what you are saying they do?

There is less and less "romanticism" in todays African hunting - see the evolution of hunting camps and gear today, as a prime example! Even in hunting management, trying to keep up with modern conservation methods to maintain sustainability requires periodic review of policy and operational regulations. Unfortunately, the more we learn and know, the more review is necessary and adaptations required. It won't stop me from heading out into the field as often as possible in pursuit of quarry though. beer


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J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa

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Agree 100% my friend. The only constant is change. And that will never change !
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