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Originally posted by Lizzy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgxakSmErNc

Stretch Ferreira stopping a bull elephant from charging. Just by talking, no shooting nor killing.

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Jines said he and another hunter named Buzz shot two adult elephants in self-defense when they charged them during a hunt in October 2018. "The two elephant that are shown in the photos were shot in self-defense, in an unprovoked charge and both elephants were fully mature cows, not juveniles," he told WGCL in an email.

Jines said he and his company are now dealing with the fallout and making sure people understand the "actual facts as opposed to the mischaracterization of the information on social media."

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Gentlemen and Ladies

As you are well aware Social Media has blown this up totally out of proportion. The simple facts are

1/THIS WAS A LEGAL HUNT-

2/ WE SAW SEVERAL ELEPHANT AND FOLLOWED THEM. WE WERE HUNTING A TUSKLESS ELEPHANT

3/ DESPITE SEEING A TUSKLESS WE DECIDED TO PASS ON SHOOTING ANY AND WERE ON OUR WAY OUT WHEN THE WIND CHANGED OR THEY HEARD US AND WE HAD AN UNPROVOKED CHARGE FROM A MEDIUM SIZED TUSKLESS WHICH WE SHOT AT 5 PACES. SHE FELL BACK AND AWAY FROM US.

4/AT THE SOUND OF THE SHOT MY TACKER SCREAMED AND WARNED US OF A LARGED TUSKED COW THAT WAS CHARGING US FROM BEHIND. I TRIED SHOUTING IT DOWN AND TOOK THE SHOT AT A FEW FEET. THE REASON HER FRONT FEET ARE FOLDED BACK IS THE SPEED SHE WAS COMING AT US BEFORE I SHOT.

5/ BOTH COWS WERE MATURE BETWEEN 30 AND 40 YEARS OLD. I HAVE HUNTED MANY YEARS AND BEEN INVOLVED IN ALOT OF RESEARCH WHERE WE HAVE AGED ELEPHANT SO I AM QUALIFIED TO JUDGE AGE.

Lizzy- I know Stretch very well. Alot better than you. Do you know he is a professional hunter and like me has hunted numerous elephant. He is a true ambassador to his country and a top guide. Like me he is passionate about his wildlife and especially his elephant. Like me he knows how essential hunting is to the survival of not only the elephants we both love but all wildlife!

505 Gibbs- you are entitled to you opinion but clearly you have not hunted elephant in the Valley before. Even late season bush is thick and visibility low. One has to get in close to evaluate and make the right decision. Things like wind etc are out of your control as was the case here.

All the best Buzz

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. . . and the photo that created this social media blow up was never posted on AR. Candidly, neither Buzz nor I know how the photo ended up on Facebook . . . not that that matters at this point.

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:

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Gentlemen and Ladies

As you are well aware Social Media has blown this up totally out of proportion. The simple facts are

1/THIS WAS A LEGAL HUNT-

2/ WE SAW SEVERAL ELEPHANT AND FOLLOWED THEM. WE WERE HUNTING A TUSKLESS ELEPHANT

3/ DESPITE SEEING A TUSKLESS WE DECIDED TO PASS ON SHOOTING ANY AND WERE ON OUR WAY OUT WHEN THE WIND CHANGED OR THEY HEARD US AND WE HAD AN UNPROVOKED CHARGE FROM A MEDIUM SIZED TUSKLESS WHICH WE SHOT AT 5 PACES. SHE FELL BACK AND AWAY FROM US.

4/AT THE SOUND OF THE SHOT MY TACKER SCREAMED AND WARNED US OF A LARGED TUSKED COW THAT WAS CHARGING US FROM BEHIND. I TRIED SHOUTING IT DOWN AND TOOK THE SHOT AT A FEW FEET. THE REASON HER FRONT FEET ARE FOLDED BACK IS THE SPEED SHE WAS COMING AT US BEFORE I SHOT.

5/ BOTH COWS WERE MATURE BETWEEN 30 AND 40 YEARS OLD. I HAVE HUNTED MANY YEARS AND BEEN INVOLVED IN ALOT OF RESEARCH WHERE WE HAVE AGED ELEPHANT SO I AM QUALIFIED TO JUDGE AGE.

Lizzy- I know Stretch very well. Alot better than you. Do you know he is a professional hunter and like me has hunted numerous elephant. He is a true ambassador to his country and a top guide. Like me he is passionate about his wildlife and especially his elephant. Like me he knows how essential hunting is to the survival of not only the elephants we both love but all wildlife!

505 Gibbs- you are entitled to you opinion but clearly you have not hunted elephant in the Valley before. Even late season bush is thick and visibility low. One has to get in close to evaluate and make the right decision. Things like wind etc are out of your control as was the case here.

All the best Buzz

Buzz,
No reason to be defensive, you are making my point while missing it. Before it was the unprovoked elephants fault, now it is The Valleys fault, or the bushes fault, or the winds fault. You are the dominant creature on earth, you and another man made the conscious decision for money and entertainment to go into an area that you admittedly know is dicey due to the factors you list above and approach elephants so you can kill some of them. Then when shit goes pear shaped, the guy who is paying to be entertained by this starts squirming around acting as though he is some unaware innocent bystander that had to defend himself against some rogue cold blooded creature? Nothing about this incident is "unprovoked", everything that happened is due 100% to the fact that 2 men made a business arrangement to go somewhere and do something that they knew had potential for this outcome. What is wrong with what you do?? What is wrong with what your client did?? If the answer is "nothing" then quit squirming and misrepresenting, those are the actions of someone who is either weak, ashamed or both. That is my original point, you and your buddy are giving ammo to those who would shoot you by clearly acting like you are ashamed by blatantly misrepresenting the situation. If you or Jines are ashamed of what you have done, then quit doing it, if not, then call it what it is, you both made a decision to do something, as a result things went south, you had to kill 2 elephants you did not want to, shit happens. Make sure you handle it the way the authorities direct you to and get on with your lives.

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
Jeff SN / Saeed,
Rather than being offended or making unsubstantiated statements, perhaps either of you would like to point out what I have said that is factually inaccurate? I will say that although it is small, it is nice to see that there is still a little dry kindling around here.

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
I don't have to be with them, I am taking the OP and the PH at their word when they describe a scenario that is clearly caused by them and their decision to go elephant hunting in an area and in a way that they both know could end in this scenario. Then, when it does happen and others are offended that these 2 elephants are killed, they blame it on the elephants, implying that they have no responsibility. The misrepresentation occurred when MJines stated that the charge was "unprovoked" when it clearly was not. My point is that the public, the majority of which is unfriendly to this type of scenario, sees through Jines ridiculous and obviously dishonest implication that this is 100% self defense and he had no hand it past putting down some blood thirsty beasts. Once that scene is set (By Jines and Buzz), the natural next step is to ask why would these guys be misrepresenting this if they were not either ashamed or hiding something? Once that weakness is revealed, the feeding frenzy begins. And, to make it worse, they (hunters) present this slanted version of this unfortunate event where they had to kill these 2 wayward elephants because of there bad behavior while there are pics of them standing over the corpses like billy bad ass with shit eating grins on their faces. How exactly did everyone think this was going to be taken?
In the end, my point is this, you want to be an elephant hunter? Then be an elephant hunter, if there is nothing to be ashamed of (which I agree with), then dont act like you are ashamed by making it out to be something different than what it is. Also, don't spend your political capital on a website campaigning against thoughtless pics, videos and stories that could be used against you and others, then turn around and post pics and stories of shooting sleeping lions or elephants you got too close to and had to shoot.

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Originally posted by WR500:
The guys had approached to assess the animals in the herd. They elected to pull out and not shoot any, when the sh... hit the fan.

What crap are you talking Gibbs!!!

How was it provoked?? A change in wind ???did the guys cause the wind to change ????

Clearly unprovoked, and as you haven’t hunted ele or even been to the valley then don’t comment on things you know little about. Armchair expert rings a bell here.........

You don’t know what your talking about,and it’s plain to see you a have a personal axe to grind against Mike.......Nothing to do with this hunt at all.

Poor form Gibbs indeed.