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Mike and Buzz are ethical folks. I’m sure they were more upset about having to shoot those elephant than those HSUS folks care about the dogs they have put down in their shelters.

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
My God, 505, aren’t you the brilliant wordsmith and logician.

By your “logic,” anyone driving on the highway deserves to be killed by a drunk driver.

Idiot.

Best regards,

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
My God, 505, aren’t you the brilliant wordsmith and logician.

By your “logic,” anyone driving on the highway deserves to be killed by a drunk driver.

Idiot.

Best regards,

He is nothing more than a pathetic attention whore.

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Originally posted by ozhunter:
Both Stretch Firerra and Ivan Carter would shoot that young cow if it had got that close to their clients in an aggressive way.
This can and does happen within the non hunting parks.

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Originally posted by Lizzy:

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Originally posted by ozhunter:
Both Stretch Firerra and Ivan Carter would shoot that young cow if it had got that close to their clients in an aggressive way.
This can and does happen within the non hunting parks.

Nobody will go near a herd of cows, who have babies. I won't go near a woman with a baby. It takes years to get the trust of elephant cows. Sharon Pincott did get their trust and they came to her. Lawrence Antony did rehabilitate a group of Roque elephants by patience and trust.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4nvQbfQAUg

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Originally posted by Lizzy:
A herd of cow elephants have little ones. You have never seen a woman who is acting aggressively when she just had a baby? Oh boy, work in a delivery room.
Female dogs act aggressively when they have pups, it is normal. It is not normal to go as a hunter into a herd of elephants to kill. They will charge.

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Originally posted by Lizzy:

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Originally posted by ozhunter:
Both Stretch Firerra and Ivan Carter would shoot that young cow if it had got that close to their clients in an aggressive way.
This can and does happen within the non hunting parks.

Nobody will go near a herd of cows, who have babies. I won't go near a woman with a baby. It takes years to get the trust of elephant cows. Sharon Pincott did get their trust and they came to her. Lawrence Antony did rehabilitate a group of Roque elephants by patience and trust.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4nvQbfQAUg

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On the afternoon of October the 5th, Treadwell and Huguenard checked in with a colleague in Malibu by satellite phone. Then, just 24 hours later, both campers were discovered dead, torn apart by a bear.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Lizzy,

How many thousands of animals are killed by lying fakes like PETA and HSUS and other criminal organizations claiming to save animals?

Your last statement " are we smart enough to know how smart animals are" .

I do know exactly how smart animals are, I have lived all my life with animals.

And I GUARANTEE YOU I can pick anyone of the animals that I know - from dogs to camels, from cheetahs to gazelles, who are most certainly more intelligent, in a common sense way, than those supporting criminal organizations like PETA.

I have to agree with you, though, that I have some ostriches which you and your lot might have some competition to.

So called "animal rights" organizations are nothing but a bunch of utterly stupid idiots pulling the wool over clueless city dwellers to line up their own pockets.

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Originally posted by DCS Member:
Hahaha!

This was rather timely. Even as a lawyer, I find it funny:

https://www.agdaily.com/video/...edium=&utm_campaign=

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Originally posted by DCS Member:


Come on, for only $19 a month you can sponsor a poor dog or even a snow leapoard, which hunting has nearly made the whole species extinct! It’s less than a cup of coffee a day!

An annual membership to DSC is more than $50 a year less and does so much more.

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by DCS Member:


Come on, for only $19 a month you can sponsor a poor dog or even a snow leapoard, which hunting has nearly made the whole species extinct! It’s less than a cup of coffee a day!

An annual membership to DSC is more than $50 a year less and does so much more.

Marcus:

I was actually going to contribute to the WWF for the snow leopard until their bull shit came on about hunting the snow leopard. I wrote them a polite but firm e mail calling them out on it.

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by DCS Member:


Come on, for only $19 a month you can sponsor a poor dog or even a snow leapoard, which hunting has nearly made the whole species extinct! It’s less than a cup of coffee a day!

An annual membership to DSC is more than $50 a year less and does so much more.

Marcus:

I was actually going to contribute to the WWF for the snow leopard until their bull shit came on about hunting the snow leopard. I wrote them a polite but firm e mail calling them out on it.

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Originally posted by Lizzy:
https://africageographic.com/b...-so-called-benefits/

#I won’t go into the detail of what I saw and recorded in this post, but I can say that if there is a solid record of what happened in that area at all over a 30-year period of time, it lies in my notes, footage and photographs in my office, not in the rhetoric in the bars of Maun. That humans could behave like that was a disgrace, to be frank. Dragging a squealing and gutted duiker across the ground to a tree where it was wired up (still alive) to attract a leopard to shoot after dark (also illegal), diesel used to pour into warthog holes where a wounded leopard had run, and then set on fire; over 200 rounds of gunfire shot into a palm island where they thought a male lion was holed up, but ended up shooting his pride and eight cubs, and then later, setting the palm alight to “smoke the sucker out” – are all testaments to the atrocities. The male was wounded so couldn’t escape and burned to death, but the hunters logged it up to an accident and went on to shoot his brother. I saw all these things, and heard the hunters tell the stories with no remorse afterwards around the campfires. Well known local professional hunters were nicknamed ‘Matches xyz’ and ‘Fireman xyz’ for burning the swamp to attract the rare sitatunga to kill, amongst other unsavoury hunts.#

If this is hunting then it should be banned. If you love to kill why not get a job at a slaughter house. But there are also rules, not to torture cattle.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Lizzy,

How many thousands of animals are killed by lying fakes like PETA and HSUS and other criminal organizations claiming to save animals?

Your last statement " are we smart enough to know how smart animals are" .

I do know exactly how smart animals are, I have lived all my life with animals.

And I GUARANTEE YOU I can pick anyone of the animals that I know - from dogs to camels, from cheetahs to gazelles, who are most certainly more intelligent, in a common sense way, than those supporting criminal organizations like PETA.

I have to agree with you, though, that I have some ostriches which you and your lot might have some competition to.

So called "animal rights" organizations are nothing but a bunch of utterly stupid idiots pulling the wool over clueless city dwellers to line up their own pockets.

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Originally posted by Lizzy:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Lizzy,

How many thousands of animals are killed by lying fakes like PETA and HSUS and other criminal organizations claiming to save animals?

Your last statement " are we smart enough to know how smart animals are" .

I do know exactly how smart animals are, I have lived all my life with animals.

And I GUARANTEE YOU I can pick anyone of the animals that I know - from dogs to camels, from cheetahs to gazelles, who are most certainly more intelligent, in a common sense way, than those supporting criminal organizations like PETA.

I have to agree with you, though, that I have some ostriches which you and your lot might have some competition to.

So called "animal rights" organizations are nothing but a bunch of utterly stupid idiots pulling the wool over clueless city dwellers to line up their own pockets.

Nowhere did I ever claimed that I support PETA. Did you read the book? I live with animals and I know they understand death. When my husband died, I took my dog to see him. The reaction of my dog was so emotional. First happy then her ears dropped. She never looked for him again and she was depressed for 2 weeks. If I hadn't done this, she would have been looking for him for months. If one of my cats die, I take the body home and one by one they come to say goodbye. If it is close friend then the cat reacts very emotional, like screaming. We are mammals and they have the same emontions as we have. They can love, hate, have envy, jalouzy and they can even lie. You might know animals through the barrel of a gun but you don't know how they think or feel. Baboons live in families and if someone enjoys to kill one of them, he doesn't know the panick in this family nor does he care.

Who is HSUS? I never support an organisation, I have my camera and I take photos. One of my photos of an elephant who collapsed of the circus Cardinali, the biggest one in Portugal, was published by 5 major newspapers. That photo changed the law and no more new wild animals are allowed. I am not joining animal activists who are demonstrating in front of a circus. I make friends and take photos and work alone.

Here are my photos what people do with animals.

The Silent suffering

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzjjEMEZkAE

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Originally posted by Russ Gould:
I don't have a problem with what transpired. The tuskless was no loss, the shooting of tuskless is encouraged by Parks for good reason; the aggressive cow was a tad unfortunate but it's part and parcel of elephant hunting. Doesn't happen often, and to the bleeding hearts I say it's a non-event compared to the (necessary) bloody business of culling elephants by the hundreds.

Agree 100%

I do question the wisdom of (and motives behind) posting the story for the world to see, especially the photos. Do we really have to have 4 photos of the aftermath? Even without smiles, it's a bit gory.

I'm starting to agree with this as well. In the past, I've posted hunt reports for the enjoyment of our fellow hunters here on AR. But it is becoming more and more obvious that the antis are monitoring the site to use against us. Not that I'm in any way ashamed of participating in the most effective conservation model known, trophy hunting, but because the photos find their way into other social media platforms, usually posted without context or worse, a false narrative to generate hate against the hunters amongst those not informed or not willing to become informed on the subject. I've probably written my last hunt report for this reason.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the antis don't care about ethics. That is an internal debate amongst ourselves. Simply put, no matter of legitimate and logical explanation of our activities are going to persuade those on the lunatic side of the fence. The middle ground is a different story and with the current social media situation, we almost always loose the initiative to get our message across when our photos are presented with outright lies about the events of the hunt. Example, back when I was still on FaceBook, a non hunting friend reposted a photo of a hunter with his black bear trophy. The caption stated the guy had killed it in its den while hibernating and left it's "family" to die. The photo had a bait barrel in the background and there was no snow on the ground anywhere. Obviously NOT shot out of a den during hibernation but you get the idea.

I also question the decision to go looking for trouble and then to hang around even though the decision had been made to pass on the TL, which in itself was irresponsible. You came to shoot a TL, you located a TL, but then you decided not to shoot "because it was only day 1"? By this logic you should have stayed in camp on day 1. Had you shot the TL intentionally, the same events might have transpired but I venture that the PR would have been less negative. Dealing with a charge subsequent to taking an intentional shot is one thing; having to shoot two elephants, neither on purpose, on a half-serious pursuit is asking for criticism.

Disagree. I hunt to have hunted. To enjoy the experience. Multiple stalks, looking over multiple animals. Being in the field, rifle in hand. When I pull the trigger, the hunt is over. It's one of the reasons I hunt with an open sighted double rifle instead of a scoped 375. I like to stretch out the activity. Jumping off the back of a truck to wack a buffalo at 100 yards, or shooting the first legal animal just isn't what I'm interested in. Even if I had the funds to shoot multiple primary animals per hunting trip, the killing isn't the main driving force for me to be in the field.

And I really disapprove of the envious mob commentary. It portrays an immature mentality, intentionally or not. You guys may not care, but you are confirming the world view of the equally immature antis.

And stepping back from this situation, I think that in future it would be wise if the industry would adopt a policy that any animals shot in self defense should be charged at 50% of the normal trophy fee, the funds to be earmarked for anti-poaching.

VERY STRONGLY disagree with this. As it stands, at least with the hunts I've been on, a legitimate self defense situation can happen at any time and without provocation or fault. In that event, no penalty should be imposed. A self defense shoot caused by inappropriate actions of the hunter or PH are already subject to penalty. No need to codify it to apply to all occurrences as a standard operating policy without consideration of circumstances. On my safaris to date, there has been a government game scout present who makes the call of provoked or not. I'm good with that method.

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . and the photo that created this social media blow up was never posted on AR. Candidly, neither Buzz nor I know how the photo ended up on Facebook . . . not that that matters at this point.