50 Cal is a hunting round, same as a 700 Nitro Express or a 50/120, save for a few states that have restrictions, last time I looked, your good to go in most jurisdictions.

If they can ban the big 50 on the grounds it is not suitable for hunting because of some arbitrary decision, oh it's too powerful, then how long before they go after the smaller big magnums, the 338 Lapua comes to mind, since it is a 1500 meter cartridge, then how about the 300 Winchester Magnum a 1000 meter cartridge, or the 7mm Remington Magnum a 1000 Meter cartridge and on and on, based upon some arbitrary standard.

Both of you, fail to understand, that if you label a gun/cartridge combination as unsuitable for hunting or a style of hunting as not being hunting even though it is legal and done in a safe manner, then someone else will eventually come along and from their perspective take the same stand as you did on the way you hunt and guess what?

Your done hunting.

landmines for deer?

Refute the argument, save the insults.

Present your case lay out what you think is ethical and fair chase, address my questions, in previous points, clarify the distinctions you draw between this hunter and my friend's way of hunting, how one can be hunting and the other is not.

You want to convince others or persuade them over to your way of thinking, then let's lay it out on the table, make your point, save the hyperbole and silly insults.

I've watched this thread for some time.

Everyone has the right (obviously) to "hunt" in any manner they choose as long as it is legal.

With that said, shooting an animal in the ass and then "bragging about it"; defending it and calling it "hunting" is probably the most pathetic thing I have ever seen on this board.

VG got banned for using excessive profanity? (often towards me I might add)

And this kind of crap is celebrated.

Incredible.

IV

the power of a 50 caliber rifle AFTER it passes thru a deer (or two) is why it shouldnt be used in the deer woods.
The person in this situation is simply not a hunter. no matter how much camo and orange you paint him with it wont work.
Malteese is just stirring the pot to make argument. he surley isnt so dim witted as to really side with the egotistical 50 cal deer shooter, but i have been wrong before.

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Wednesday 30 Nov 05 at 0836hrs.. a shot rang out and at 710m a not bad white tail buck fell victim to a 50BMG round.

I wonder why 'missing_something' didn't use his 50BMG rifle for finishing the victim instead of using a 30-06?

This whole thread is nothing different than longdistance hunter finding a cow elk at 500 yards, then backing up to 800 yards to see if he can pull off the shot. And he just happened to have a big white posterboard and Sharpie out there in the wilderness to document his accomplishment for the camera.

Both were done by the letter of the law, but certainly not the spirit. I certainly didn't hear of anybody calling the wardens on either of them. Or of calling their politicians to get them or their weapons banned. But some were probably thinking it. You can only push the envelope so far before you get backlash.

If you've got balls enough to post pictures and tell the tale, you best be able to absorb criticism.

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Originally posted by KSTEPHENS:

Malteese is just stirring the pot to make argument. he surley isnt so dim witted as to really side with the egotistical 50 cal deer shooter, but i have been wrong before.

No, the point you are missing in this is that I support a persons right of choice in the style of hunting they pursue, provided it is legal and done in a safe manner, I do not set myself up as the final authority on what constitutes ethical/fair chase and I will challenge those who make blanket statements and condemnations, to present their argument and clarify their position.

If the only difference between what is considered hunting and what is not is the choice of caliber, that is a lame argument and needs to be challenged.

So, if you think I am stirring the pot, because I ask for more than it isn't ethical or that's not hunting claims, maybe I am not satisfied with the "Because" reply.

Further, I find it interesting when people resort to insults, upfront or veiled, when they don't have a position that can be backed up with facts or is it that they seek instant gratification and don't want or care enough to take the time to come back with a well thought out and reasoned response, not rooted in emotion, does make me wonder, does it apply to you, maybe maybe not, but if the shoe fits....., then again I have been wrong many times before.

how much energy do you think that 750 grain bullet had when it left that deer?

The bullet had approximately 5600 ftlbs of energy at that range clean, after striking the deer it is likely that it lost about a third to half possibly more of the theoretical kinetic energy (sorry, but I don't have the time to model it and give you exact numbers) and if the bullet is designed along the lines of most HPBT rounds it lost more than half it's length and it now has the ballistic coefficient of a rock and if it follows the normal wound profile of HPBT style bullets it tumbled after shedding half its length and could reasonable expected to be found within 50 - 100 yards (give or take) of it's impact point, because it is no longer a sleek aerodynamic projectile, but a misshapen blob and will quickly shed energy and velocity.

AT close range, most modern hunting bullets from rifles are thru and thru and present a danger to anything on the other side and depending on their design/construction can retain up to 90 percent of their mass, but this is a moot point, if the hunter takes the time to check the area beyond his target.

K Stevens wrote:
I'v done my time and seen what a 50 is capable of, thanks.
the reason has nothing to do with the amount of damage it does or doesnt do. the argument is in the reason a person would choose to use it over a more conventional type of weapon. YOU are the one who is missing the point.
A man who CHOOSES to "hunt" with this set up is not interested in hunting, he wants to kill something with his 50 for bragging rights or to say he did it to the boys.
thats the problem i have with it.
I'd have the same problem if you wanted to hunt with a billiard ball in a sock.
there is a time and place for showing off your dick, the deer woods aint it. mainly because as soon as you do something as moronic as hunting with an HS50 the nonhunting populace groups me and you together. thats not fair to me.

Sorry, wrong.
The only thing I have against a 50 is the weight of the T&E. If you'd ever humped on you'd know why. Secondly i have no desire to feed one and FROM EXPERIENCE wouldnt feel there was a reason to own one unless i had 1000 yard range nearby... blah blah blah.....



T&E? What does that have to do with an HS?

Ohhhh, I get the whole thing now...! Besides the fact that you have no idea what the logical basis behind your OWN argument really IS, you don't like the .50 for hunting because YOU DON'T LIKE THE .50 FOR HUNTING...! I see now... That is perfectly logical (for you I guess?)!!

Maltese, forget these guys... Their logic is unshakeable by mental ignorants like us...

K, why don't you go down to the local bookstore and buy yourself the latest Jim Zumbo hunting book titled: "I Am A GREAT Hunter, But I AM Also TOTALLY IGNORANT As To What The 2nd Amendment REALLY Stands For". I am sure Jim Zumbo is your hero isn't he? He's probably been duping you for years, then running to the bank with your money too....
Right after you get Jim's latest book, you can tell your friends: "Let's go hunting, but you can ONLY hunt with a rifle that my feeble little mind deems "proper/fair", because I don't want YOU hunting with something that I feel is too powererful/more powerful than what I hunt with because then, your kind of hunting won't be as fair to the deer that we BOTH are trying to KILL (humanely, ethically, and legally)". Sound about right K?

Take a look at this again and PLEASE comment about what you see here (especially the very first deer kill on the video):
K Stevens is ROY in this video
That's YOU in the red hat isn't it K? Well, you ARE quite a hunter... You HAVE TO BE! You are using a "correct" hunting rifle there (to shoot the deer in the ass). GOOD JOB!

BTW Maltese, using data from a well known .50 cal. hollow point hunting projo and a MV of 2500FPS, I came up with 3294 ft-lbs of energy on the inbound side of the deer in this hunt. So what do you think, about 1/2 of that value on the outbound side? You and I both know this point is moot anyway as this hunter was shooting down into a valley for safety anyway (do you think K read that part of the story? Do you think K can really READ? Personally, I come up with 2 resounding "no's" for answers to these questions.. LOL)

Why should you choose to hunt deer with a .50BMG rifle?

BECAUSE YOU CAN!

Simple as that...

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Why should you choose to hunt deer with a .50BMG rifle?BECAUSE YOU CAN!

oh yeah?

why would you shoot somebody in the head?

BECAUSE YOU CAN!

sounds like the Neanderthaler!

PJS50,

I was using 2840 fps corrected to muzzle (Chrono at 20') and a 700gr , so there will be some variation, versus the bullet in question here, then altitude and atmospheric conditions and even where the ammunition was originally loaded and handled prior to hunting can skew the numbers a little.

Over penetration, is a moot point if you follow the rules, because if all that is behind the animal in question is tree's rocks and dirt, then your good to go, if you see another animal or hunter, then you don't shoot, simple as that.

The rule applies be it a .22 LR or a .50 BMG.



Gabriel,

Isn't that somewhat over the top?

What does using an unusual rifle/caliber have to do with committing an illegal and reprehensible act of shooting an innocent in the head?

No where did I see anyone advocating the commission of an Illegal act, just because they can, since deer hunting with a 50 isn't illegal in many places and you want to use a 50 and have the ability to employ it to the utmost, then you are choosing to use it because you can and it is indeed as simple as that.

To take that to such an extreme as killing someone for no reason save you can...is in poor taste and reflects badly on you.

Just because something is legal don't make it right.

I hear the same thing from these fine folks too. GreenPeace, Sierra Club, VPC, Brady Campaign.....

They feel hunting and firearms, while legal are not something that should be allowed and is according to their world view not right and should be legislated away.

Now where have I heard that before.......

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Originally posted by PJS50:
K, why don't you go down to the local bookstore and buy yourself the latest Jim Zumbo hunting book titled: "I Am A GREAT Hunter, But I AM Also TOTALLY IGNORANT As To What The 2nd Amendment REALLY Stands For".

is that on the shelf between "Look how Big my Dick is" and "I can pisss farther than you"?

The zenith of common sense and wisdom is here!

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Originally posted by Maltese Falcon:
I hear the same thing from these fine folks too. GreenPeace, Sierra Club, VPC, Brady Campaign.....

They feel hunting and firearms, while legal are not something that should be allowed and is according to their world view not right and should be legislated away.
I have no clue where you heard that, but I know, that you're speculating....like a child!

Now where have I heard that before.......

I have no clue where you heard that, but I know, that you're speculating....like a child!
If someone is for guns....we are the ones...you start running out of pathetic arguments and support.

Was I being too vague? or did you miss the sarcasm, when I referred to the fine folks?

Just because an individual or a group feels that something is wrong (based on their personal beliefs), even though it is legal, that there is a moral imperative that must apply to everyone, even to those who hold a different perspective or set of beliefs, is something that I find disagreeable.

In regards to my quip.

Now where have I heard that before...

Jim Zumbo came right out and declared Black Rifles as terrorist guns and went as far as saying that Game agencies should ban their use in the hunting fields...forgetting the minor fact that in the US there is no protection of the Right to Hunt under the constitution, but there is the Right to Keep and Bear Arms a point that many hunters overlook, when they say that this or that rifle is not suitable for hunting.

(Personal note: I was offended beyond belief, because I was lumped together with terrorist's because I have a preference for a firearm, that was not a traditional hunting arm)

The groups referenced are using this dichotomy to erode our rights and many hunters are helping them right along, not intentionally, but helping all the same.

No speculation on my part at all, there are many segments of both hunters and shooters who say "I see no purpose for said (insert here) and only the military/police should have them" and when such a thing as the AWB come along, instead of writing to their elected officials and supporting our rights, they just shrug, naively thinking that their traditional hunting rifles are safe.

But, if you are comfortable with the myth that your preferred hunting rifle/shotgun/pistol-revolver are safe and it is only the evil guns like the those chambered in 50 BMG or the Black rifles that will be taken, all I can say is enjoy them now.

On another point, should I start throwing one liners your way, doubting your intelligence or using throw aways, would that be easier, since you wouldn't have to wade thru my post's and maybe think about what I wrote?

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Jim Zumbo

who the FK is Jim Zumbo?

Was a writer of some repute in the hunting fields and former contributor to Outdoor Life and was sponsored by Remington, Mossy oak and several others, that came to an end with a blog he wrote.

I am pretty sure there was a thread here and at the "The High Road" "Firingline" and numerous other gun and hunting boards on the subject.

Google him will get you more information.

whatever. i could care less about some gun rag writer. and i dont need some internet forum to dictate to me what i GD well know makes common sense.
this dipship isnt a hunter, period. because he purchased a licence and sniped a deer from 700 odd yards? bullshit.
your want to catagorize me? your as full of shit as he is arrogant.
Im not impressed by his "hunting" abilities or your support of him.
i'd have more respect for a man who got within 25 yards and killed a deer with a 22LR illigally than with this miscreant.
and for your info I own black rifles. i keep an Arsenal SAM-7 in my trunk. i shoot AR varients of one form or another and if i could feed one and had a rifle range with enough distance i might own a 50 cal.
but i damn well know that anoone who shoots a deer at 700 yards anint fuckin huntin'

You know when I see "NOONE" it brings to mind a certain person that is actually well known on the internet and after further review of your post's it resembles him more and more.

Having crossed swords with said person before and your descent into profanity, I am done with you.

Want to debate it without profanity and name calling, I am willing to keep up a dialogue, but this....nope, no point.

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Originally posted by Maltese Falcon:
Just because an individual or a group feels that something is wrong (based on their personal beliefs), even though it is legal, that there is a moral imperative that must apply to everyone, even to those who hold a different perspective or set of beliefs, is something that I find disagreeable.

Jim Zumbo came right out and declared Black Rifles as terrorist guns and went as far as saying that Game agencies should ban their use in the hunting fields...forgetting the minor fact that in the US there is no protection of the Right to Hunt under the constitution, but there is the Right to Keep and Bear Arms a point that many hunters overlook, when they say that this or that rifle is not suitable for hunting.

(Personal note: I was offended beyond belief, because I was lumped together with terrorist's because I have a preference for a firearm, that was not a traditional hunting arm)

The groups referenced are using this dichotomy to erode our rights and many hunters are helping them right along, not intentionally, but helping all the same.

No speculation on my part at all, there are many segments of both hunters and shooters who say "I see no purpose for said (insert here) and only the military/police should have them" and when such a thing as the AWB come along, instead of writing to their elected officials and supporting our rights, they just shrug, naively thinking that their traditional hunting rifles are safe.

But, if you are comfortable with the myth that your preferred hunting rifle/shotgun/pistol-revolver are safe and it is only the evil guns like the those chambered in 50 BMG or the Black rifles that will be taken, all I can say is enjoy them now.

Like I told you Maltese... a solid waste of time...

Maybe if I made it simple for K? How's this:

K,
Ifn youz am gonna goe out to huntin, an ifn youz getz da peeples all riled cuz day ain't a huntin' wid tha same kinda rifle as y'all. Soon day ain't gonna be NO rifles whichin gonna be axe-septible to go a-huntin' wit? Git It?
Ima still thinkin' that youz REELY R not a arguin' AGENST goin' huntin' wit da .50 rifles, as a mucha as you R a arguin' against da' DIS-TANC dis hunter a made hisn shot at, now R ya?
Itsa time to put nuther dip o'chew in yer lip now, and to go on yerself bein that old ignorant pustule of a man....

ROTFLMAO.....

Gabriel, all I have to say to you is you need help....

I've been wading thru this thread since it started, and I'm probably wasting my breath, but...

Is the problem really with the 50? It's legal here, and I'd defnitely hunt with one if I owned it.

What if someone shot a deer at 700 yds with a 300 Wby or a 300 RUM from a heavy bench type gun? Does that make the 300 mags unsuitable deer cartridges? What if old uncle Fred shot a deer in the ass at 40 yds with his trusty 30-30? That would make either the 30-30 or the uncle unsuitable for hunting (or both), right?

To me, it doesn't matter what you are shooting. If you flub a shot, you clean up the mess as quickly as possible. It sounds like our original poster did just that. You can pull a shot at any range. It doesn't matter what cartridge it is. Oh, I better stop shooting deer with my 45-70, since the bullet exits every time and still retains energy. If you are a safe shooter, you always make sure of your target and what is beyond it, again, no matter what rifle you are shooting.

It sounds to me like this is the same 'long-range' hunting topic that we've hashed over several times here. I've found that people who don't understand and likely can't perform in a longer range situation condemn it out of hand. If you practice and work at it, 400 yds is not unreasonable for any modern scoped rifle. Stretching things a bit is great for those that can. Remember old uncle Fred with the iron-sighted 30-30? I'd bet he thinks 200 yds is too far to be shooting deer... Get the right equipment, time, and training - then try it. It's not some impossible task to hit things at extended ranges. If you can do it, great, go for it. If you can't, you better stick to closer targets until you get better. No one should push their personal hunting mantra onto others.

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K,
Ifn youz am gonna goe out to huntin, an ifn youz getz da peeples all riled cuz day ain't a huntin' wid tha same kinda rifle as y'all. Soon day ain't gonna be NO rifles whichin gonna be axe-septible to go a-huntin' wit? Git It?
Ima still thinkin' that youz REELY R not a arguin' AGENST goin' huntin' wit da .50 rifles, as a mucha as you R a arguin' against da' DIS-TANC dis hunter a made hisn shot at, now R ya?
Itsa time to put nuther dip o'chew in yer lip now, and to go on yerself bein that old ignorant pustule of a man....

ROTFLMAO.....

Gabriel, all I have to say to you is you need help....[/QUOTE]

All right doc, since you got the diagnosis done, maybe you have some ideas about a treatment. What's the prognosis by the way?
I could certainly help you improve your english. It tells a lot about your character.

Who's against black rifles here by the way?

Wrong.
I am against people using firearms and/or hunting to boost thier ego and try to impress people.
There only one reason he and anyone else like him would use an HS50 BMG rifle to kill a deer.

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Originally posted by KSTEPHENS:
Wrong.
I am against people using firearms and/or hunting to boost thier ego and try to impress people.
There only one reason he and anyone else like him would use an HS50 BMG rifle to kill a deer.

Every hunter I have ever met outside of a very few (commercial hunters, it's a job to them nothing else) feel a boost to their ego, in doing it right, the satisfaction in harvesting an animal with their skill and we wouldn't tell stories about our hunting exploits, if we weren't inpart trying to impress others, it's the nature of the beast, so to speak.

"There only one reason he and anyone else like him would would use an HS50 BMG rifle to kill a deer"

So, if I were to tell you I have hunted with hand made long bows and arrows, modern compound bows, sling's with rocks, midevil cross bows, matchlocks, flintlocks, percussion, early cartridge and breach loader rifles (sharps and 1871/84 Mauser), modern rifles (to list a few M98, G43, garand, M14, SKS, M16 (yes M16) Springfields, Enfields, Arisaka, Remington, Winchester, Browning, Barret and PTRS) for no other reason than to see if I could do it and do it right with each system and the limitations inherent to each one and the personal satisfaction generated because of it, that makes me a bad person or a braggert or an egotist, then I am glad I don't define myself by your narrow perspective of what defines a hunter.

It sounds like the story when the body builder is trying to impress the new girl he met. He's showing his biceps and keeps saying:dynamite..baby. Anyway...once they get to the room, the girl gets the guy naked and surprised, she goes: I saw all that dynamite, but where the hell is the fuse?

Here's the way it is: there's hunters who hunt to prove their skills (others or themselves), others hunt for the meat or whatever they want from that certain animal and when you get through those phases, the only thing it matters is the size of your trophy.

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Originally posted by Maltese Falcon:


So, if I were to tell you I have hunted with hand made long bows and arrows, modern compound bows, sling's with rocks, midevil cross bows, matchlocks, flintlocks, percussion, early cartridge and breach loader rifles (sharps and 1871/84 Mauser), modern rifles (to list a few M98, G43, garand, M14, SKS, M16 (yes M16) Springfields, Enfields, Arisaka, Remington, Winchester, Browning, Barret and PTRS) for no other reason than to see if I could do it and do it right with each system and the limitations inherent to each one and the personal satisfaction generated because of it, that makes me a bad person or a braggert or an egotist, then I am glad I don't define myself by your narrow perspective of what defines a hunter.

Care to tell your story of "hunting" deer with an M16?

The Captain has got it PEGGED!
Gabriel, you point about; "Who's against black rifles here by the way?" is EXACTLY the point that Maltese and I are making here... Just substitute "black rifles" for .50 cals...
The REAL point is, as soon as somebody decides that even "just one" style/caliber/size of rifle is "unacceptable" for WHATEVER reason (hunting/target practice/anything). THEY ALL will soon enough be "unacceptable" for ANY reasons...

Read what The Captain wrote again... As I said before, I really think this is K's "real" arguement, and possible yours too.. (BTW, THAT arguement is a perfectly "legitimate" one to debate, it's just that it is also 100% "irrelivant" to "caliber of choice" at the same time)....

It was a culling on a private ranch, about 100 deer were destroyed under the auspices of the Game and Fish department, due to testing which indicated CWD was present.

All head shots, all fired single shot (standard semi auto fire) farthest shots were 80 yards, most were a lot closer.

Forgot to add, it was the only rifle available already set up with a nightscope.

Before you ask, I will not reveal where, since I do not wish to unduly impact the ranches financial situation as that was part of the contractual agreement, under which we undertook the culling operation.

Edited to add clarification.

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Originally posted by PJS50:
The Captain has got it PEGGED!
Gabriel, you point about; "Who's against black rifles here by the way?" is EXACTLY the point that Maltese and I are making here... Just substitute "black rifles" for .50 cals...
The REAL point is, as soon as somebody decides that even "just one" style/caliber/size of rifle is "unacceptable" for WHATEVER reason (hunting/target practice/anything). THEY ALL will soon enough be "unacceptable" for ANY reasons...

Read what The Captain wrote again... As I said before, I really think this is K's "real" arguement, and possible yours too.. (BTW, THAT arguement is a perfectly "legitimate" one to debate, it's just that it is also 100% "irrelivant" to "caliber of choice" at the same time)....

Look, I know this thread went too far, but just because I'm sitting in a race car, doesn't mean I'm a racer, a lab coat and stethoscope won't turn me into a doctor and a dear, shot in the ass with a 50 BMG does not make me a hunter, or a sharpshooter.
The same that gives you the right to hunt, gives the game the right to die fast.
Before you call me an animal rights activist, the last deer I shot had two fawns, one next to her.
If someone would post a thread, that they killed a deer with a 50BMG 300 yards away, I bet the negative feedback would be much lower.
Fortunately there's hunters who care more about the game than proving and improving their shooting skills on live targets.
Wanna be brave and do some serious things with the fifty caliber?
Go to the next army recruiting center. Your skills will be really appreciated and if your balls are hard enough you might get a medal or two.
I don't know where you live, but if I'd start running around with a military style rifle people would think that I watch too many movies. Not that I give a crap. But let's be serious: just because there's a cadillac escalade, the jeep wrangler is still a better offroad.
You are also talking about future bans on black rifles. We are all aware of that. They would ban them all, one by one. But pouring gas on the fire just makes it burn faster. If you're not convinced about the righteousness of your deed, shut up and don't brag about it. Oppinion is like a butthole, everyone has one. I don't expect you to understand mine or viceversa.

OK Gabriel...
NOW I am agreeing with you... As I said before, was our .50 hunter shot absolutely "perfect"? Probably not.. Does this really have anything to do with his caliber of choice? Probably not.. Is he a "bad guy" simly becasue he chose to hunt with a .50? Even by your last submission, definitely not....
Watch this video, and I think you and I will be agreeing much more... It's a bit long, but worth the watch:

BS Gun Control

Here, I always thought these guys were liberals....

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My feeling is that unless you can hit that 20cm target, first shot - every shot, you are shooting beyond the capabilities of either weapon or shooter.

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Ian, A point of order ! A weapon is something one uses to defend or offend ones self with.

A firearm or rifle is what one uses to hunt with !

We all need to remember this & get away from the weapon name tag.

Just my thoughts
Regards Morton

sure sounds to me that these two "guys" have a problem with the gun being a .50 bmg.

What if this gun had the same size and weight and it was a 22lr, 30-06, or a 458 win mag. These are what "you" consider hunting rounds. Is this still an issue with you?

What if the .50 bmg was in a 10 lb rifle with iron sights, would this still be an issue?

How about hunting partridge with a 10 gauge?

Pick one, the only difference is the numbers after the decimal point and that is all!

What if I went into a grizzly den with nothing but a pocket knife is that considered to you showing off my dick?

My point being, it doesn't matter wether it's a shotgun, rifle, archery, blowgun or pocket knife or birds of prey. YOU don't have the right to preach about ethics when all these items are legal to hunt with and the individual has the skillset to use them. If that's a person's choice he has the right and if you don't like it, don't read the post, don't reply and save your soapbox antics for PETA!!

Congrats on the Deer I wish I had the money to own a 50cal other than in Black Powder. The second deer I shot was straight through the heart at 25ft it ran a good 200yards. When I field dressed the deer I could see the heart was hit dead center and blown in 2 pieces. I always thought a heart shot deer would not move. I found out later head or spine shots were the only ones that were sure to anchor them on the spot. I am sure a lot of people will find something I have said not to there liking but it is only my opinion that I am posting.

Good luck

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Originally posted by IdahoVandal:
I've watched this thread for some time.

Everyone has the right (obviously) to "hunt" in any manner they choose as long as it is legal.

With that said, shooting an animal in the ass and then "bragging about it"; defending it and calling it "hunting" is probably the most pathetic thing I have ever seen on this board.

VG got banned for using excessive profanity? (often towards me I might add)

And this kind of crap is celebrated.

Incredible.

IV

Thank you for summing up what I didn't put into words way back when. A serious long range hunter will lazer the exact distance and dial in the drop before taking the shot, which this guy admittedly didn't do. Which is what I referred to in my near miss comment.

To me some folks want to justify the 50bmg to such an extent that they'll accept sloppy work to show how it's an effective hunting round.

To me, all I care about is hunters taking shots they can make irregardless of the equipment they use. Poor shooting puts a black eye on all hunters.

If you're going to shoot at ranges that require an LRF and the drop dialed in, then by all means, calculate the drop in the field before hunting, laser the animal before shooting, and dial in the appropriate drop. At over 600 yds there is time to lazer the animal, and if the animal is moving to fast to laser the range, you shouldn't take the shot!

Paul,
Being an avid deer hunter AND a .50 shooter, I don't disagree with anything you said...
In this particular instance though, it appears that elevation wasn't as much of an issue as windage...
Windage is the thing that most people will have difficulty with in extreme range shots like this one...
Go back to my previous posting and watch the vido that I linked to (referring to ROY)... He's a guy sitting at a SHOOTING BENCH with lazer rangefinders, wind meters, the whole nine yards, and he STILL shot the first deer in that video in the A$$... He too is awfully proud of the fact...
Again, in total agreement with what you wrote, the "caliber" of choice is irrelivant...

Hmmm...long range shooting vs. long range hunting???IMHO i really don't mind if a white tail taken by BMG,but it's kinda of wastage of eadible part for tat!Maybe a 50BMG with the lightest bullet may do a better job,I really don't know bout tat???Anyone???

my first trip to the 50's forum, how y'all doin? I don't own a fifty but I do hunt at extended ranges, and the main thing IMO, that brought on this situation was a bullet constructed to heavily for the quarry, I know you can't get a .50 cal bullet that will expand on a 150 pound whitetail. But from what I've saw that same hit with a more tender bullet even of lesser caliber would have amounted to an instaneous kill at that range.
RR

If I use a .500 Smith and Wesson Mag on White Tailes in Minnesota dose that make me a bad person no, Yes it is "over kill" but so is useing a .300 Rem Ultra Mag like people do in this state.

One thing I do belive in is that I do not like to let a animal suffer so I like to disbach the animal as quick as possibal so then I could say a .500 S&W Mag is not over kill.

I have shot 2 deer with it and they dont go any whare but down now the old reliable 30/30 I like to use the deer I have shot the one that has gone down the closest to me was 50 yards.

I know the .50 BMG is a way above a .500 S&W mag in power, but I have to say that if a state alows a 50 BMG to be used for hunting well then some one some whaere in that state is going to use it becouse it is alowd. Minnesota alows the 50 bmg, most ranges in Minnesota dont...

I could not care less about how powerful the round is. I do worry about 50 bmg rounds from Northern Minnesota landing on my head in Central Iowa however. Please continue to aim northwards.

Seriously, it is getting damn hard to find a direction one can shoot safely. The 50 bmg is pushing that envelope and a slug that big will not come back to earth gently either.

Brent