If i remember right it was a problem with the initial run of brass.
Is there anyone else out there that was interested in the cartridge?? This would have been a great rechamber for the 22 long rifle barrels out there.....
UPDATE! Since starting this post i have found out the following. I will continue to update this info as it becomes available.
Dies - $69 from CH Tool & Die Shellholder - $16.95 from RCBS (must call and order, 800-533-5000) Brass - $26/50 from Schroeder Bullets (Phone 619-423-3523) No web site or email address Barrel - (not sure yet) Twist Rate - 1-14" (per Cooper Arms)
quote:Originally posted by MSSmagnum: If i remember right it was a problem with the initial run of brass.
Is there anyone else out there that was interested in the cartridge?? This would have been a great rechamber for the 22 long rifle barrels out there.....
wow mike ,you mean you don't have one but ya don't have a 17HMR (yet) either
Posts: 43 | Location: pa | Registered: 14 December 2002
That was the last I had heard on it also Mike. There was a fellow that had a BUNCH of real neat .22 rimfires and some of the Coopers when they first showed up around Nixa Mo. I think. Hey, Tommy, do ya know this fellow off the top of your head? Any way he had several of the .22 Coopers and one or two of the .17's. The only reason I remember this fellow is because he had THE NEATEST, falling block .22 I have ever seen. It was an old German Gallery type rifle if I remember correctly. Looked like a minerature Schutzen rifle. I can look around here if ya want for his card, I just saw it the other day. Jeff
Posts: 655 | Location: Kansas US of A | Registered: 03 March 2002
Mike- I have one from Fox Ridge it is 11" SS bull Barrel and it shoots great with 40gr V-max bullets, its great medicine for tree rats. I got my brass from Schroeder Bullets,1421 Thermal Ave, San Diego CA 92154, 619-423-3523. They make the brass from swaged down 22 Hornet brass then machine the base and rim. So far I have reloded this brass 5 times with no loss. The velocity I get is greater than the 22WRM from a rifle. Albert
Mike- The load data was from Accurate Arms reloading manual, the big red one. When I purchased the brass 4 or 5 years ago it was $25.00 for 50 rounds, I got 300 rounds, so far I have only used 150 rounds I just keep reloading them to see how many reloads I can get from them. Albert
Thanks Albert. I sent Accurate an email requesting the data and will give them a call regarding the brass. Do they also have dies or did u obtain them elsewhere??
Posts: 1574 | Location: Western Pennsylvania | Registered: 12 September 2002
I already had the dies, a local dealer was going out of buisness and had the dies, C-H/4D, I think they were $35.00 got them a couple years before I bought the barrel. Schoeder had the dies and I think they were $65.00 at the time I got the brass. Albert
CH still lists the dies at $69. I am gonna try for a used set and then i will investigate a barrel. Not sure at this point if i wanna do this in a 10 or a 14. Hopefully i will come across a 14" long rifle barrel CHEAP and i can have OTT rechamber it.
The performance that you mention is great! Which Accurate powder are u using, #2, 5 or 7?
Thanks again for all the info!!
Posts: 1574 | Location: Western Pennsylvania | Registered: 12 September 2002
I talked to Steve Schroeder of Schroeder Bullets today. Brass IS available for $26/50. He also offers 22CCM basic that is 1.3" long, i believe, as well as others. He is sending me info along with the cartridge specs (drawing). This round is basically a straight wall with about .004" body taper. Steve also advised me that due to the use of Hornet brass i will most likely need to size the neck with a 22 Hornet sizer.
I also received the data from Accurate Arms on this round. 40 grain bullets at almost 2200 fps, not bad!
This project is doable! I am now looking for the dies and a barrel to get moving!!
Posts: 1574 | Location: Western Pennsylvania | Registered: 12 September 2002
quote:Originally posted by kickedby444: Well Mike what did you hear on the 22CCM project today? I didn't hear from you much today
No new news today. I sent Dave @ CH Tool & Die an email about the dies. He has not sent me a refud for the 41x444 dies so i think that i will just get them instead. That is one part of this deal that will be behind me. All i have left is the brass and the barrel, LOL!
I should receive the info on the brass in the next couple of days. Once i have that info i will be ready to order that stuff, LOL!
Here is a run down on what i have so far....
Dies - $69 from CH Tool & Die http://www.ch4d.com/ Shellholder - $?? from RCBS Brass - $26/50 from Schroeder Bullets Barrel - $250 from OTT?? (not sure that i am ordering a new one yet)
Mike, Sounds like your project is coming together nicely! Should be a really interesting project. If you don't mind, I've got a few questions for 'ya: What kind of velocity difference is there between the 22 CCM (1.16" long), vs the 22 CCM basic (1.3" long)? A reloadable "17 HMR".....Hmmmmm.....That sounds 'kinda interesting, also.... Does Steve Schroeder has a website or e-mail? Thanks, Gary T.
Posts: 491 | Location: Springhill, LA | Registered: 27 March 2002
quote:Originally posted by Gary T: Mike, Sounds like your project is coming together nicely!
Gotta admit that I am kinda excited about it!
quote:Originally posted by Gary T: What kind of velocity difference is there between the 22 CCM (1.16" long), vs the 22 CCM basic (1.3" long)?
Good question. I have not received the info from Schroeder yet and am not sure that it will be included with the info he is sending me. I am considering this route but will wait to receive the info from him before I make a decision.
quote:Originally posted by Gary T: A reloadable "17 HMR".....Hmmmmm.....That sounds 'kinda interesting, also.... Does Steve Schroeder has a website or e-mail? Thanks, Gary T.
I couldn�t agree more!! A reloadable 17hmr with a little more velocity! For the 17 fans it would be too cool!!
I am sure that some guys think this whole deal is �nuts� but that is what us �reloading nuts� do!!
Posts: 1574 | Location: Western Pennsylvania | Registered: 12 September 2002
I have not spoken to this man, but was told by a friend he is as sharp as a tack. He was recommended for special casings that are not out there. When I get to that point, I'll be calling him.
Thanks for posting the information,
Posts: 127 | Location: Dover, NH, USA | Registered: 22 May 2002
Have been shooting the .17 CCM in a 21in. Contender for a number if years.....super round....have shot may P.D.'s with it and a number of Foxes,,,,,,,now went to a .14 Walker Hornet....will it ever stop? Using a 18gr. Berger bullet in the CCM
Posts: 93 | Location: Evart Mich USA | Registered: 19 March 2002
Mike where in blazes are ya? Well guess what I found today. If ya want a 10" barrel ready to go just say so. Also have a lead on some brass and possible ammo . I will email you as well Jeff
Posts: 655 | Location: Kansas US of A | Registered: 03 March 2002
I forgot somthing else. I ran across a friend of mine that collects cartridges. He had a box of 5mm Velo Dog. DAMN if that wasn't a cute little devil. He told me that Fiocchi still made this and is not hard to find at all. I didn't think to ask if he knew if it was reloadable or not. Just another one to add to the "pot" of these "minis".
Jeff
Posts: 655 | Location: Kansas US of A | Registered: 03 March 2002
This round looks like it could take a standard 25acp shell holder, if not it would be close. I use one for the 5.7x28 cases I wildcat from...it's tight and probably needs to be lapped out, but it works. All of them seem to use the 0.308 head dia.
Posts: 211 | Location: Little Rock, AR. USA | Registered: 23 May 2002
At one time the Varner was to be chambered in .22 CCM or something similar. The original company went out of business in the late 80's early 90's. I'm not sure if that's the one you might be talking about, but it was a replica of the Stevens Favorite. They also manufactured a perch belly Schutzen replica. The guy I spoke with at that time was from the Atlanta area. I still see a few rifles around from time to time.
The new company has yet to produce any rifles, but the website is www.varnerguns.com
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Posts: 129 | Location: South Carolina | Registered: 16 March 2002
jsh got this off the ggvg board .Rimfire Specialties @726 Center Circle . Phone 417 725 2708 Take your big check book as Roger carries the best...Cooper,Ziess,Dakota ,Leica you know . And he can book a African safari too. CP
I found out today that Schroeder doesnt take credit cards so i am sending him a money order to get the brass on its way here. Dies should arrive by weeks end from CH Tool & Die. That leaves the barrel thing in the open......STILL!
Posts: 1574 | Location: Western Pennsylvania | Registered: 12 September 2002
Tomorrow i make the decision on the barrel. I am fairly certain it is NOT going to be the one that Jeff mentioned above, if anyone is interested, send me an email and i will give ya the details.....
Posts: 1574 | Location: Western Pennsylvania | Registered: 12 September 2002
Rimfire Specialties e-mail rimfire225@aol.com Tel# 417-725-2704, Roger Richardson, and Roger Sutherland, great guys and a great shop. They should be back from SAFARI this week.
Posts: 261 | Location: SW MO | Registered: 26 May 2002
quote:Originally posted by Pokerplayer: Rimfire Specialties e-mail rimfire225@aol.com Tel# 417-725-2704, Roger Richardson, and Roger Sutherland, great guys and a great shop. They should be back from SAFARI this week.
Thanks! I have most everything together now except for the barrel. I am waiting to hear from Competitor before i move on that.
Posts: 1574 | Location: Western Pennsylvania | Registered: 12 September 2002
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