22 Cooper Centerfire Magnum

21 July 2003, 13:31

Magnum Mike

22 Cooper Centerfire Magnum - NEW PROJECT!!

If i remember right it was a problem with the initial run of brass.

Is there anyone else out there that was interested in the cartridge?? This would have been a great rechamber for the 22 long rifle barrels out there..... [Frown]

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UPDATE!
Since starting this post i have found out the following. I will continue to update this info as it becomes available.

Dies - $69 from CH Tool & Die
Shellholder - $16.95 from RCBS (must call and order, 800-533-5000)
Brass - $26/50 from Schroeder Bullets (Phone 619-423-3523) No web site or email address
Barrel - (not sure yet)
Twist Rate - 1-14" (per Cooper Arms)

* Schroeder offers brass in 17 caliber too!

[ 08-02-2003, 20:47: Message edited by: MSSmagnum ]

21 July 2003, 13:46

kickedby444

quote:
Originally posted by MSSmagnum:
If i remember right it was a problem with the initial run of brass.

Is there anyone else out there that was interested in the cartridge?? This would have been a great rechamber for the 22 long rifle barrels out there.....

wow mike ,you mean you don't have one [Razz]

but ya don't have a 17HMR (yet) either [Big Grin]

21 July 2003, 14:16

jsh

That was the last I had heard on it also Mike. There was a fellow that had a BUNCH of real neat .22 rimfires and some of the Coopers when they first showed up around Nixa Mo. I think.
Hey, Tommy, do ya know this fellow off the top of your head?
Any way he had several of the .22 Coopers and one or two of the .17's. The only reason I remember this fellow is because he had THE NEATEST, falling block .22 I have ever seen. It was an old German Gallery type rifle if I remember correctly. Looked like a minerature Schutzen rifle.
I can look around here if ya want for his card, I just saw it the other day.
Jeff

21 July 2003, 14:45

Albert T. Tomblin

Mike- I have one from Fox Ridge it is 11" SS bull Barrel and it shoots great with 40gr V-max bullets, its great medicine for tree rats. I got my brass from Schroeder Bullets,1421 Thermal Ave, San Diego CA 92154, 619-423-3523. They make the brass from swaged down 22 Hornet brass then machine the base and rim. So far I have reloded this brass 5 times with no loss. The velocity I get is greater than the 22WRM from a rifle.
Albert

21 July 2003, 14:52

Magnum Mike

Thanks for the info Albert!!

I imagine that this brass is purty pricey?? Where did you get your load data?

21 July 2003, 15:07

Albert T. Tomblin

Mike- The load data was from Accurate Arms reloading manual, the big red one. When I purchased the brass 4 or 5 years ago it was $25.00 for 50 rounds, I got 300 rounds, so far I have only used 150 rounds I just keep reloading them to see how many reloads I can get from them.
Albert

21 July 2003, 15:18

Magnum Mike

Thanks Albert. I sent Accurate an email requesting the data and will give them a call regarding the brass. Do they also have dies or did u obtain them elsewhere??

21 July 2003, 15:31

Albert T. Tomblin

I already had the dies, a local dealer was going out of buisness and had the dies, C-H/4D, I think they were $35.00 got them a couple years before I bought the barrel. Schoeder had the dies and I think they were $65.00 at the time I got the brass.
Albert

21 July 2003, 16:37

Magnum Mike

CH still lists the dies at $69. I am gonna try for a used set and then i will investigate a barrel. Not sure at this point if i wanna do this in a 10 or a 14. Hopefully i will come across a 14" long rifle barrel CHEAP and i can have OTT rechamber it.

The performance that you mention is great! Which Accurate powder are u using, #2, 5 or 7?

Thanks again for all the info!!

21 July 2003, 23:22

Albert T. Tomblin

I use #9, they list only three powders, N100,#9, and 1680.
Albert

22 July 2003, 01:43

Magnum Mike

quote:
Originally posted by Albert T. Tomblin:
I use #9, they list only three powders, N100,#9, and 1680.
Albert

I guess this case has a little more capacity than i expected.

Well, i am gonna try to build one, it would fill the bill nicely for a walking varmint pistol in some areas that i hunt that are heavily populated.

22 July 2003, 10:02

Magnum Mike

I talked to Steve Schroeder of Schroeder Bullets today. Brass IS available for $26/50. He also offers 22CCM basic that is 1.3" long, i believe, as well as others. He is sending me info along with the cartridge specs (drawing). This round is basically a straight wall with about .004" body taper. Steve also advised me that due to the use of Hornet brass i will most likely need to size the neck with a 22 Hornet sizer.

I also received the data from Accurate Arms on this round. 40 grain bullets at almost 2200 fps, not bad!

This project is doable! I am now looking for the dies and a barrel to get moving!! [Big Grin]

22 July 2003, 10:59

cas

For you or anyone wh may not know of it, a good place to hang around is: http://www.saubier.com/

22 July 2003, 11:04

Magnum Mike

22 July 2003, 11:09

Magnum Mike

quote:
Originally posted by jsh:
.....Any way he had several of the .22 Coopers and one or two of the .17's.

Schroeder also offers the brass for the 17. It is basically the same case as above but obviously with a shoulder.....

quote:
Originally posted by jsh:
I can look around here if ya want for his card, I just saw it the other day.
Jeff

Yes, Jeff, if you still have his info, please send it to me.

Thanks!

22 July 2003, 12:34

tommyn

posted by jsh Hey, Tommy, do ya know this fellow off the top of your head? Jeff I don't have a clue who he is.

23 July 2003, 14:42

Magnum Mike

quote:
Originally posted by kickedby444:
Well Mike what did you hear on the 22CCM project today? I didn't hear from you much today

No new news today. I sent Dave @ CH Tool & Die an email about the dies. He has not sent me a refud for the 41x444 dies so i think that i will just get them instead. That is one part of this deal that will be behind me. All i have left is the brass and the barrel, LOL! [Big Grin]

I should receive the info on the brass in the next couple of days. Once i have that info i will be ready to order that stuff, LOL! [Big Grin]

Here is a run down on what i have so far....

Dies - $69 from CH Tool & Die http://www.ch4d.com/
Shellholder - $?? from RCBS
Brass - $26/50 from Schroeder Bullets
Barrel - $250 from OTT?? (not sure that i am ordering a new one yet)

[ 07-23-2003, 06:22: Message edited by: MSSmagnum ]

24 July 2003, 06:26

Gary T

Mike,
Sounds like your project is coming together nicely! Should be a really interesting project. [Big Grin]

If you don't mind, I've got a few questions for 'ya:
What kind of velocity difference is there between the 22 CCM (1.16" long), vs the 22 CCM basic (1.3" long)?
A reloadable "17 HMR".....Hmmmmm.....That sounds 'kinda interesting, also.... [Wink]

Does Steve Schroeder has a website or e-mail?
Thanks, Gary T.

24 July 2003, 07:46

Magnum Mike

quote:
Originally posted by Gary T:
Mike,
Sounds like your project is coming together nicely!

Gotta admit that I am kinda excited about it! [Wink]

quote:
Originally posted by Gary T:
What kind of velocity difference is there between the 22 CCM (1.16" long), vs the 22 CCM basic (1.3" long)?

Good question. I have not received the info from Schroeder yet and am not sure that it will be included with the info he is sending me. I am considering this route but will wait to receive the info from him before I make a decision.

quote:
Originally posted by Gary T:
A reloadable "17 HMR".....Hmmmmm.....That sounds 'kinda interesting, also....
Does Steve Schroeder has a website or e-mail?
Thanks, Gary T.

I couldnï¿½t agree more!! A reloadable 17hmr with a little more velocity! [Big Grin]

For the 17 fans it would be too cool!!

I am sure that some guys think this whole deal is ï¿½nutsï¿½ but that is what us ï¿½reloading nutsï¿½ do!! [Big Grin]

24 July 2003, 12:27

Magnum Mike

new info above

26 July 2003, 00:43

Magnum Mike

I got the info from Schroeder yesterday and will scan it and post it here later today. He offers a bunch of brass including the 5.6x50R.

Looks like i will be going the route of the standard case length.

26 July 2003, 10:54

Magnum Mike

Rifle Brass

I placed the rest of the Schroeder info on the reloading forums.

Schroeder Brass
Schroeder Bullets for Odd Diameters
Schroeder 5mm Remington Magnum Centerfire

[ 07-26-2003, 07:06: Message edited by: MSSmagnum ]

27 July 2003, 01:48

mbmco

Mike,

I have not spoken to this man, but was told by a friend he is as sharp as a tack. He was recommended for special casings that are not out there. When I get to that point, I'll be calling him.

Thanks for posting the information, [Big Grin]

27 July 2003, 05:27

janehal

Have been shooting the .17 CCM in a 21in. Contender for a number if years.....super round....have shot may P.D.'s with it and a number of Foxes,,,,,,,now went to a .14 Walker Hornet....will it ever stop? Using a 18gr. Berger bullet in the CCM

27 July 2003, 12:12

jsh

Mike where in blazes are ya? Well guess what I found today. If ya want a 10" barrel ready to go just say so. Also have a lead on some brass and possible ammo [Big Grin]

. I will email you as well [Big Grin]

Jeff

27 July 2003, 12:46

jsh

I forgot somthing else. I ran across a friend of mine that collects cartridges. He had a box of 5mm Velo Dog. DAMN if that wasn't a cute little devil. He told me that Fiocchi still made this and is not hard to find at all. I didn't think to ask if he knew if it was reloadable or not. Just another one to add to the "pot" of these "minis".

[Roll Eyes]

Jeff

27 July 2003, 14:25

Vibe

This round looks like it could take a standard 25acp shell holder, if not it would be close. I use one for the 5.7x28 cases I wildcat from...it's tight and probably needs to be lapped out, but it works. All of them seem to use the 0.308 head dia.

27 July 2003, 14:51

JB in SC

At one time the Varner was to be chambered in .22 CCM or something similar. The original company went out of business in the late 80's early 90's. I'm not sure if that's the one you might be talking about, but it was a replica of the Stevens Favorite. They also manufactured a perch belly Schutzen replica. The guy I spoke with at that time was from the Atlanta area. I still see a few rifles around from time to time.

The new company has yet to produce any rifles, but the website is www.varnerguns.com

[ 07-27-2003, 05:55: Message edited by: JB in SC ]

27 July 2003, 16:43

Magnum Mike

Thanks Jeff, i will give him a call tomorrow! [Big Grin]

27 July 2003, 16:48

Magnum Mike

JB, that would make a great canidate to rechamber!! [Big Grin]

29 July 2003, 13:27

tommyn

jsh got this off the ggvg board .Rimfire Specialties @726 Center Circle . Phone 417 725 2708
Take your big check book as Roger carries the best...Cooper,Ziess,Dakota ,Leica you know .
And he can book a African safari too.
CP

29 July 2003, 14:01

Magnum Mike

I found out today that Schroeder doesnt take credit cards so i am sending him a money order to get the brass on its way here. Dies should arrive by weeks end from CH Tool & Die. That leaves the barrel thing in the open......STILL! [Mad]

30 July 2003, 15:49

Magnum Mike

Tomorrow i make the decision on the barrel. I am fairly certain it is NOT going to be the one that Jeff mentioned above, if anyone is interested, send me an email and i will give ya the details.....

01 August 2003, 12:32

Magnum Mike

GOT THE DIES TODAY!! [Big Grin]

They are really nice, cant wait to try em out! [Big Grin]

The brass should arrive the first of next week....

Still have not made a decision on the barrel as i am waiting for competitor to advise if they have one. [Wink]

03 August 2003, 05:44

Magnum Mike

I received the brass TODAY!! Now that is FAST service!!

I now have the brass, dies. The shellholder is on order as is the scope. Still got no barrel in the works though... [Frown]

03 August 2003, 14:22

mbmco

That looks like it could be a lot of fun to play with.

How many cases fit in the 405 anyways?

LOL,

03 August 2003, 18:31

Magnum Mike

quote:
Originally posted by mbmco:
That looks like it could be a lot of fun to play with.

How many cases fit in the 405 anyways?

LOL,

A couple!

04 August 2003, 07:35

Pokerplayer

Rimfire Specialties e-mail rimfire225@aol.com Tel# 417-725-2704, Roger Richardson, and Roger Sutherland, great guys and a great shop. They should be back from SAFARI this week.

04 August 2003, 14:41

Magnum Mike

quote:
Originally posted by Pokerplayer:
Rimfire Specialties e-mail rimfire225@aol.com Tel# 417-725-2704, Roger Richardson, and Roger Sutherland, great guys and a great shop. They should be back from SAFARI this week.

Thanks! I have most everything together now except for the barrel. I am waiting to hear from Competitor before i move on that.

09 August 2003, 01:12

Big Gun #1

Mike I ran across this the other day - there is a 22CCM 10 inch contender bull barrel available from Ed's Contenders - the price looks right [Big Grin]

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http://www.edstc.com/edstc/tca.html