I am getting a couple sbr rifles

Pws pistol - 300 blackout heavy gun
Daniel defense mk 18 - 5.56
Custom built 300 blackout - w/ 9 inch barrel

I am thinking of replacing my colt le6940 with the sbr - Daniel defense or custom 9 inch blackout as my home defense gun - it also with a hk p30 9mm are the only loaded guns in my house.

Any thoughts on 300 blackout versus 5.56 for home defense?

Also what ammo to use and what red dot sight do people recommend.

Thanks

Mike

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:
I am getting a couple sbr rifles

Pws pistol - 300 blackout heavy gun
Daniel defense mk 18 - 5.56
Custom built 300 blackout - w/ 9 inch barrel

I am thinking of replacing my colt le6940 with the sbr - Daniel defense or custom 9 inch blackout as my home defense gun - it also with a hk p30 9mm are the only loaded guns in my house.

Any thoughts on 300 blackout versus 5.56 for home defense?

Also what ammo to use and what red dot sight do people recommend.

Thanks

Mike

I shoot and hunt with both. A lot! Inside or just outside of your home I wouldn't have a preference as far as lethality. But the 300 wins on muzzle blast and other annoyances associated with a short barrel 5.56. The small powder charge is really efficient, doesn't over-drive the bolt carrier and is just generally more pleasant to shoot in that platform. Plus in a home defense mode, the 300 subsonic loads are still very lethal. Not so much with 5.56 (comparatively). Still nasty though. And if the Hearing Safety Act passes and you want a suppressor, the 300 BK suppressed is a joy to shoot.

There is a good number of gel test videos for the 300 BK and watching those should help guide you to the ammo you think will fill your bill best. I load my own so I can't help in that regard. It's a real hoot with pulled 7.65 tracers! 17 grains of W296 gives about 1900 fps which makes for great hang-time and you can watch them waaaayy out there. FWIW 19 grains and the 110 grain Barnes Tac-X approximates the factory loads with that bullet. It was made for the Blackout and is my primary game bullet.

If you want people killers, Underwood and Lehigh make several types between them. I've never shot them but I use Underwood pistol ammo and like it.

I can read, but I am going to suggest you go another route. Since you don't have any kids around, buy 3 or 4 or 5 Remington 870s. You don't have to do anything fancy, like extensions, pistol grips or any of that foofaraw, simply remove the plug if they have one installed, take them to the range, shoot each one at least 10 or 15 times to check function, then take them home, load them with anything from #4 Buck to #4 lead (turkey) shot and place them in strategic positions, like by your bed, in the bathroom, by your work desk/computer etc. If you want, take a hacksaw and cut barrels off to about 20 inches. You don't want to leave one where a robber might find it first, such as by the front door. If you get an unexpected knock or door bell, carry one or a pistol with you to check it out. Occasionally wipe them down with some gun oil and you can defend your home against zombies, or worse.

BTW, I'm specifically not recommending 0, 00, or 000 buck since I believe you live in close proximity to neighbors. If you don't have close neighbors, then use 'em if you want to. Hitting an innocent in the background, while unlikely, is another good reason for using a shotgun with smaller but still lethal at close distances shot.

None of the above suggests that you shouldn't keep or carry a pistol as well. Use one as a paperweight.

BTW, of the 2, I strongly vote for the .223 loaded with Winchester 64 gr powerpoints for home defense. They smoke deer and hogs, so people should be no problem.

Consider also a 9mm AR carbine or SBR loaded with hollow-points. Recoil and muzzle blast are negligible and the risk of over-penetration is reduced.

Of course, if you want a "stopper" get a .458 SOCOM

George

I would recommend the 556 in a carbine, short bbl or not.

Sure, it's loud, but a 300BO or a 12 ga or a pistil all will deafen you at the first shot- so plan accordingly- active hearing gear at bedside etc.

Back to the 556.

A mid weight Soft or HP will be most lethal from Zero to 100 m. A 30 rnd box of them makes for a long round count...

As to the supposed negative- such bullets at high velocity penetrate less in homes that all of the other platform/rounds mentioned. A 556 3000 fs 55 JHP barely penetrates a drywall format with much but fragments that while dangerous, would not likely be lethal ( of course, all bullts are lethal so....).

None of the above mentioned platforms/bullets (300 AAC, pistil cal carbines, scatterguns or standard handguns) will defeat body armor- but the same soft or HP 556 will, up to IIIA w/o trauma plate ( crooks aint necessarily stupid, they up armor too).

While a hand gun is ideal for CQB work ( allows one hand operation, not too long ( easily defended) it is also not the most dangerous weapon either, requiring very precise head/hip shot placement on armored targets. Hence a SBR or 16" 556 carbine with few if any accessories ( maybe a fore grip and light) and not much more than a red dot and or laser makes for a very useful tool to defend your castle.

Did I mention active hearing protection at bedside?

All said, I use a combination set up- a hi-cap fighting caliber handgun on my person most of my waking hours, and several 556 carbines in strategic locations, all set up identically. My current choices include a vertical fore grip with light, a Trijicon red dot ( very good for CQB, and no batteries to turn on or wear out) a viridian red laser on a side rail, and a 30 rnd ASC mag filled with 52 grn Hornady JHPs at about 3150 from the 16 inch bbl. I happen to have standard issue BUIS set up as well.

With a lightweight bbl profile and the stated optics etc, they weigh in at just over 7.5 lbs- easily enough handled even by my arthritic wife with one hand.

Oh, yeah, we practice in home tactics walk throughs monthly too.

Did I mention a home security system with internal UPS too? ADT alarm, local and off site video and a few door/window improvements make for a less than "walk-in" arrangement. I added a brick façade to the front walls, and if I hade the coin, I would add brick all the way around the first floor- I know from personal experience the easiest way into a wood frame metal, wood or vinyl-sided home is with a chain saw....

Also, my homes' structure, with exceptions is not cover, but really only concealment, so both momma and I make use of other items that indeed are cover-

This is the gun that makes me want a 300Blk

https://youtu.be/59qhhylETi8

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Originally posted by boom stick:
This is the gun that makes me want a 300Blk

https://youtu.be/59qhhylETi8

Mine is going to be small and compact too. Cant wait to get it.

Mike

Thanks guys for the advice.

My first line of defense is my useless german shepherd. He will bark and run towards however is coming to jump on them and play with them. He has torn up my blinds in the front of the house and I leave them that way so anyone driving thru the hood knows there is a big dog in the house.

I also have neighbors who keep a close eye on stuff, a gated entrance and cops who drive thru the hood often.

Only time I ever thought I needed a gun was when someone knocked on my door at 4 am. It was the cop who knocked to tell me my garage door was open. My dog scared the living daylights out of the cop.

I keep my guns in a separate room and my ammo in another room. I just dont want to be the idiot who needed a gun, had 75 plus in his house and 20K rounds of ammo and did not have a loaded useful gun.

I dont need a light on my gun as I leave a light on in the house and I know the layout pretty well.

I have a ruger revolver than I am going to stick in a bandolire and have a few shotguns (thanks gato found a use for my 870 and benelli nova) and sbr with a full mag in my bedroom.

Going to move the HK P30 to my truck (locked storage in f-150 center console).

I think home defense is a small risk for me but I want to be prepared.

Mike

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My first line of defense is my useless german shepherd. He will bark and run towards however is coming to jump on them and play with them.

A great first line of defense being aware someone is around is first and foremost.

People who do not know the dog well have the desired respect.

The liability of having a dog that bites are greater. Then you would have to shoot some body.

99 percent of the time I have a personnel firearm on my person when I am up and about.

Then there are the ones stashed around the house.

I a live in and area that 4 legged varmints are more of a danger to my personnel property then two legged ones.

Had more then one neighbor lost their dogs to wolves, Bears are around all the time but the dog normally chases them off. I keep a 223 rifle on hand for the coyotes that wander through.

If they don't have proper respect they stay around permanently.

A good light, whether weapon mounted or hand held, is not soley for illumination-but rather disorientation/flash blindness of the person you shine it on...

Regarding the concern about having weapons and ammo but not both simultaneously- yeah, situation dependent, configure a safe but assessable set up- my handgun is fully loaded 24-7, on my hip or in a push button locked steel case bedside. The ARs are mag loaded/chamber empty and secured out of site but one-hand retrievable. No children at home, only supervised grandkids regularly.

Berretta, sounds like my shepherd and yours were from the same litter.
But he does bark if someone knocks, and sounds fierce. As someone told me, " I stopped by, but your horse came barking at the door"

Reading through this thread I know people worry about over penetration but that's a catch-all term that is too broadly used. If you are referring to neighbors suffering from your 308 that is one thing. If you're worried about shooting through a bad guy into something or someone in the line of fire forget about it. Shooting at an active threat at night (or day)probably means you're going to miss at least 1 for 1 and probably 3 for 1 if you're outside. What use is worrying about the one through and through if one or more fly unimpeded? I personally won't surrender lethality for the risk of "over penetration", especially when the gel tests you see have no real correlation to penetration in an animal body. Rant closed.

Agree with Gato that a shotgun is good choice. At close range as in home defense, birdshot is plenty. Don't believe it, go shoot a board with birdshot at close range.

I totally agree.A 12G. pump. 870 is top of the line IMO.Hemingway wrote about taking off a Leopards head in a pounce with bird shot.Bill Jordan once said," In all my years of law enforcement,one thing I never figured out. What scares a man more,the click of a side by side or the chink-chunk of a pump."

click or chink-chunk ? Can a psycho on meth here those sounds , and if he does will he care ??

Then 458SOCOM matches my 45-70 loaded with factory 300 Barnes all copper rounds .I know what they will do so that would comfort me !

The only reason I would not care is that I would prefer not to take human life (even the scum).No if he was hopped up he most likely did'nt care. But it is not my responsibility to finance any of that business through the court systems,etc.Funny ain't it that the countries (back world) that have the harshest penalties on crime have the lowest rate. O.K. rocket scientists,get your senator out of the night club + lets get something positive done.

As for the shotgun for home defense or any other defense, lots of folks think that you don't have to aim a shotgun, it will just scatter over a large area and that is not the case at all. By all means, go and pattern the shotgun at varying distances and up close you will see that the "spread theory" will not hold water. Even at say 10 yards, the pattern is pretty tight and you need to aim to hit the target to get the most out of the shot. A 12 gauge shotgun is one powerful gun but you have to actually hit the target.

My new Sbr built by andro corp in winter Garden Florida.

7.5 inch barrel
Daniel Defense furniture (I like it - a lot of people don't)
cerakote
BCM ambi charging
CMG 3.5 trigger
Nickel boron bolt

This sucker is compact - I did not have a case but had a Costco cool grocery bag - fit right it. $6.99 case - I like it.










Mike

Very cool. I want one, I think.....

What caliber? Is that considered a pistol?

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:
Very cool. I want one, I think.....

What caliber? Is that considered a pistol?

This one is a sbr with a nfa tax stamp. 300 blackout.

Andro does high end AR pistols which dont need a tax stamp. Some even have folding stocks for storage and 1 st round fire capabilities.

I think these guns replace sub machine guns. This is as small as HK MP5, shoots a much more powerful round suppressed and good up to 50-75 yards with rifle accuracy. Then just swap a mag and you can have a AK type gun.

Plus it fits in a costco grocery bag.

http://androcorpind.com/

Now I need to find a good compact optic for it - aimpoint, sig, vortex ect.

Mike

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1 st round fire capabilities.

What does that mean?

I'm definitely out on the NFA version.

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:

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1 st round fire capabilities.

What does that mean?

I'm definitely out on the NFA version.

The pistols have a thorten check price.

This contains the ar buffer.

The check piece folds into the pistol. So the whole package when carried is less than 20 inches.

Since the buffer tube is folder away - one round can be fired from folded position but it is not recommended.

Mike