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Yes they are inconsistent
Yes they gave away penalties.
Yes Ireland played well and they are are top level team after all.
When were these glory years that you talk about?? Australia has always been inconsistent.

Australia arguably has the best backline in the world at the moment. If they are able to play 'their' game they can beat any team on the day as they have shown recently.


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Now petal dont go getting antagonistic again,its not a requirement to have when one is a firearms licence holder.
As far as generalising if you aspire to be rich its not a bad attitude to have...its not my line either its from some ultra rich dude (FII remember who) yep someone who knows!

Philanthropists you say,well its topical actually,see the news where Dick Smith was lamenting "how few there are amongst the filthy rich in Australia" that was only last week!
Percentage wise with the rest of the world there are more that would rather lose a kidney than open their wallets... there are very very few at all.
Bonuses? Hmmm in large companies eh? Seems to me that the exec`s get the bonuses,award them to themselves..thats topical too,look up the recent kerfuffle about the top dog at Qantas.
The average bloke gets sfa thats why you probably dont see too many ave blokes paying for a few days in your camp.
Gee when you went on your little escapade up in Mansfield last time (YOU know the one,yep that one) you basically drove past my front door coming from Melbourne,now if you want to call on me ,next time you are heading up to Mansfield let me know and I will meet you if you like Matty and believe me I actually could conjure up a word or three far worse than 'son' and to your face if you require it,its water off a ducks back to me SIR!
Until we joust again,have a nice day Matty.
I see plenty of average blokes in my hunting camps - hell we even had a full-time Walmart employee come buffalo hunting this year.

If you mean 'average' in the context of someone like yourself - then yes you are probably right. What you have written above shows just how average you really are...


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I can show you how average I really am Matty when you take up the invite of a weeks one on one Sambar Stag hunting with me..I will even supply a rifle and ammo..hows that!
Bring your own grog!

I have no pretensions,I`m just average and freely admit it.

Get back to me about the hunt too..... its as fair dinkum as the hunt I donated to the auction for a childrens hospital fund raiser in England recently.



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Here are some pics for you Matty apologies for them being average but gee Sambar stags are tough to get in the daylight.



Last pic he is that close I could hear him breathing and i`m half frign deaf










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Here`s another close one Matty,hes just a young rough one,still exciting to be in close with them though.



Oh yeah its not a BS pic either with a mate waving some antlers about...here he is here with his bride.




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Yes they are inconsistent
Yes they gave away penalties.
Yes Ireland played well and they are are top level team after all.
When were these glory years that you talk about?? Australia has always been inconsistent.

Australia arguably has the best backline in the world at the moment. If they are able to play 'their' game they can beat any team on the day as they have shown recently.



We'll have the best back line in the world if we actually perform over the next few weeks.

Even with a buggered scrum, if the backs were that good they could have still pulled
off some winners. Ireland's defence stopped us. hell, we lost to Samoa a few months back,
that's really a sign of being the best.

"When were these glory years that you talk about?? Australia has always been inconsistent."

Late 80's but more so the 90's going into early 2000 until Eales retired. Nick Farr Jones, Phil Kearns, "goose-step" Campese,
John Eales, Tim Horan, Matt Burke, Larkham. That era, exciting rugby from memory.

We spent a fair bit of 2002 - 2009 ranked 3 - 6 in the world, hence my choice of the Era before.

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Autralia lost in a tryless game to the Irish. Australia can put together a pretty good scrum on its day and beat any team!! full credit to the Irish I reckon!! Remember Australia beat an excellent Irish team by one point only in the 1991 RWC Q-final and went on to beat England in the final. Ireland is a great rugby nation

Australia still lost a LOT of games in the 90's - there was a lot of inconsistency then too. for much of that time you didnt have South Africa to keep you on your toes either. The reality is that in the modern, modern era (now) - all the top 8 teams are highly competitive and there are a host of other teams knocking on their door too.

I dont think you can even remotely compare the 90's till now.. the game has changed that much. Modern Springboks, professionalism since 1995, transfer of players around the world, more pro coaching staff working in developing countries... I wouldnt write any of the major teams off on any given day (as we saw with underestimated Samoa) - whether a lower ranked team can win a world cup tournament (depth of players, etc) is another matter.


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Matt

Agree with what you say. It is a different era for sure.

I like the fact some of these smaller nations are coming up and giving the bigger / better one's a run for their money.
 
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Hey Muzza, NZ are playing that well either !!! LOL

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Dude - I'm just sitting on the sideline eating popcorn and being entertained. I have no further input other than being a spectator.

Want some popcorn? popcorn


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I thought you weren't interested in the rugby?? bewildered


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Dude - I'm just sitting on the sideline eating popcorn and being entertained. I have no further input other than being a spectator.

Want some popcorn? popcorn



No thanks, not a great fan of popcorn.


I was only joking, I thought you were
passing comment on the Non Rugby part of the thread but I couldn't pass up an opportunity.

BTW - Re your "I support two teams - New Zealand and anyone playing Australia", it seems everyone in NZ and at the stadium took heed on the weekend.

Even the Irish team commented on the support they got and that it helped them.

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I like the fact some of these smaller nations are coming up and giving the bigger / better one's a run for their money.
It is awesome that these countries are making inroads. I watched half of the Argentina v's Romania on Saturday... Romania looked like a real rugby team... really cool. All the teams playing in the WC earned their place. Remember also that many of the player in these lesser countries are amateur players and they only get to play a handful of games for their country every year. Just the fact that a country like Romania (or Canada, USA, Russia, etc) is competitive at all at this level is awesome!!

Rugby is the best sport in the world!!

Did you ever play Nigel?


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BTW - Re your "I support two teams - New Zealand and anyone playing Australia", it seems everyone in NZ and at the stadium took heed on the weekend.

Even the Irish team commented on the support they got and that it helped them.

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I think that has more to do with the Irish's underdog placement. I'd be firmly on the Aussie side if they came up against England. Would have quite liked you guys to have faced and beaten france as well. South Africa... well I'm not sure who I'll support yet, but It should be Aus (sorry Hendrik.). Depends on how much shit gets flung around here before hand though.
 
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I thought you weren't interested in the rugby??


I'm not - I'm sitting on the sideline watching you kiddies slug it out amongst yourselves. You're doing pretty well at present - dont need any input from me , unless you want some popcorn too?

Ole gryphies photos are pretty cool too , eh wot ?


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Rugby is the best sport in the world!!

Did you ever play Nigel?



It's a great sport - we used to call it legalise thuggery
and was a great way of getting legal payback.

Yes, most boarding schools in the UK play Rugby so played at school
for years from 1st term prep type all the way through to end of school.
Was never good enough for the 1st's but always played in the 2nd team
- which as it turns out was better as you actually played more games.

Broke my leg (seriously) in my last year before moving to Aust.

Mostly played Fly Half or IC and took all the kicks (except drop punts
which I never mastered !!! LOL).

I played a few games for Melbourne Uni Thirds which was interesting,
especially against the corresponding NZ team in Melb, god they were big
- playd hard but fair.


And you, did you ever play ?

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He He legalised thuggery at HS level it surely was.

For me it was athletics & RU ( 2nds mostly , just a few run-ons in 1sts) in winter
( Breakaways had the most fun.....I liked the fun, you could do the yards with the forwards & run with the backs when you felt like it)
Swimming & Basketball in summer.

what do they call breakaways now , Back row/flankers or something........Oops guess that dates me .

Tried out for UNSW when I went to Uni ........but heck they played serious football &
something had to give between fishing, hunting & surfing.........the organised sport lost.... the others I could do when I wanted to , not when someone else insisted I did.

I'm led to believe I still hold a couple of school athletics records.........doesn't say much for the crops since then, I was nothing special & had an aversion to training
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I was Rugby in Winter and Athletics in summer.

Also got a few run ons with the 1st's when people
were injured. I played the best piece of legal thuggery
ever filling in a practice game for the 1st's, managed to
squash (as in flatten) their scrum half who was a little
arrogant squirt and a hogger of the ball so me being fly half
he was easy to flatten - and then of course the usual squash
the head into the mud as you got up. god it pissed him off
he would thrash around on the ground kicking as you held him down.
LOL.

Breakaways are called flankers - or were. Yes, it is a great position
but I like fly half as you made the decision to run or kick and could
pull some nice moves by re joining the line once you had passed.

I agree, the Uni's used to play some serious games, the 2nd and 1st's
were even worse, serious stuff. 3rd's was mostly people who had left.

Army Reserves and hunting got in the way for me so Rugby lost out.

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Wasn't there (or still) a fair amount of rogering going on in those Pommy schools Nige haha...hope you werent corrupted haha



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Rugby is the best sport in the world!!

Did you ever play Nigel?



It's a great sport - we used to call it legalise thuggery
and was a great way of getting legal payback.

Yes, most boarding schools in the UK play Rugby so played at school
for years from 1st term prep type all the way through to end of school.
Was never good enough for the 1st's but always played in the 2nd team
- which as it turns out was better as you actually played more games.

Broke my leg (seriously) in my last year before moving to Aust.

Mostly played Fly Half or IC and took all the kicks (except drop punts
which I never mastered !!! LOL).

I played a few games for Melbourne Uni Thirds which was interesting,
especially against the corresponding NZ team in Melb, god they were big
- playd hard but fair.


And you, did you ever play ?

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Yeah I played for a Uni club for seven years... never played rugby at school or even at Uni, just after when I was looking for something different to do and to vent some frustration. It was interesting because I started playing in the last year of amateur and the game changed very rapidly over the next 12months. Lifting in the lineouts and changes at the ruck. It seemed every second weekend the ref was explaining or reiterating new laws to us!! A lot of older guys lament the changes in the post-modern game. Personally I think it has guaranteed that rugby will slowly flourish as it is def. more interesting to watch and a more dynamic game - not just a slugfest.

I started out in the 2nd row and quickly drifted to the front row, as I rapidly became the oldest guy in the club (at 27!!). At 6'2" - getting used to playing tighthead prop against short barrel-like farm labourers was a feat in itself I think - but after a couple seasons I got the hang of it. I only gave it away when I got rather sick back in 2001 and that coincided with my first season up in the NT (2002), which ruled me out for rugby season.

My youngest boy just started playing with his school club (The Armidale School) in the GPS and local comp. Now I can play vicariously through him.. I missed most of his games this year, I am ashamed to say, because of my work .... hopefully one day when I am not hunting so much I would like to do some coaching. I cant tell you how much I got out of playing club rugby - it was really one of the best things I have ever done. I told a client a couple weeks ago that I ruined one of my knees playing rugby ... he chastised me ... then I told him I would give both my knees to rugby if I had my time over!!!


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Wasn't there (or still) a fair amount of rogering going on in those Pommy schools Nige haha...hope you werent corrupted haha
Did you hear that in a gay bar??


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Wasn't there (or still) a fair amount of rogering going on in those Pommy schools Nige haha...hope you werent corrupted haha
Did you hear that in a gay bar??



lol


Very good comeback, Matt.


Gryph, you asked for that one. stir

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Yeah I played for a Uni club for seven years... never played rugby at school or even at Uni, just after when I was looking for something different to do and to vent some frustration. It was interesting because I started playing in the last year of amateur and the game changed very rapidly over the next 12months. Lifting in the lineouts and changes at the ruck. It seemed every second weekend the ref was explaining or reiterating new laws to us!! A lot of older guys lament the changes in the post-modern game. Personally I think it has guaranteed that rugby will slowly flourish as it is def. more interesting to watch and a more dynamic game - not just a slugfest.

I started out in the 2nd row and quickly drifted to the front row, as I rapidly became the oldest guy in the club (at 27!!). At 6'2" - getting used to playing tighthead prop against short barrel-like farm labourers was a feat in itself I think - but after a couple seasons I got the hang of it. I only gave it away when I got rather sick back in 2001 and that coincided with my first season up in the NT (2002), which ruled me out for rugby season.

My youngest boy just started playing with his school club (The Armidale School) in the GPS and local comp. Now I can play vicariously through him.. I missed most of his games this year, I am ashamed to say, because of my work .... hopefully one day when I am not hunting so much I would like to do some coaching. I cant tell you how much I got out of playing club rugby - it was really one of the best things I have ever done. I told a client a couple weeks ago that I ruined one of my knees playing rugby ... he chastised me ... then I told him I would give both my knees to rugby if I had my time over!!!



Very unsual for someone to start so late if they didn't play at school but good on you. interesting to hear the changes.

So few kids play any sort of contact sport now
that they hardly ever get a chance to know what serious sport is IMHO. You hardly ever see kids now with scratches, breaks, arms in plaster etc.

Lucky you didn't end up with Cauliflower ears playing front row !!!

I almost gave my right leg as a result but luckily the doctor put it back together with 2 x 6 inch Titanium pins but it was still 6 - 9 months on Crutches. All came good though, in the end it didn't hinder any military activities which would have pissed me off if it had.

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I started playing rugby in my late teens. Came back from living in Malaysia, had a stint in under 16's league then fell in with the rugby crowd. We didn't have a big club as we were in a league town (Lithgow) but we always did well in the comp.


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Wasn't there (or still) a fair amount of rogering going on in those Pommy schools Nige haha...hope you werent corrupted haha
Did you hear that in a gay bar??


Hmm you didnt miss the roger post did you but conveniently chose to ignore a valuable free sambar hunt,got too much money? Or do you like to do it the other way!

Actually I heard it from a couple of Old School Pommy rugby players that approached me to do some hunting.
Sort of Martin Johnson sized baaa steds i didnt ask them any more in case I got mauled haha

Still waiting on your buffalo pics Nigel!


lol



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Actually I heard it from a couple of Old School Pommy rugby players that approached me to do some hunting.
Sort of Martin Johnson sized baaa steds i didnt ask them any more in case I got mauled haha

Still waiting on your buffalo pics Nigel!

lol

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No, I didn't ignore it, Matt's answer didn't need any adding to !!! LOL

That's why I played in the backs, I just didn't like the idea of the forwards.



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Lets keep it on track guys.

It is on track, since we are not ruining anyone's hunt report,
a good bit of jousting in this thread is perfect and good fun.

Kiwis chase sheep, Gryph chases and gets close to Sambar.
That's enough detail or everyone's needs but be aware
what might happen if you go out on a hunt with Gryph stir Big Grin

Gryph,
Is that why you keep inviting everyone out hunting with you ?????

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To be fair, you can do a lot worse than hunt with Gryph. Good honest adventures with plenty of opportunities if your good enough.And your trusted to make your own mistakes.
 
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Actually I heard it from a couple of Old School Pommy rugby players that approached me to do some hunting.
Sort of Martin Johnson sized baaa steds i didnt ask them any more in case I got mauled haha

Still waiting on your buffalo pics Nigel!

lol

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No, I didn't ignore it, Matt's answer didn't need any adding to !!! LOL

That's why I played in the backs, I just didn't like the idea of the forwards.



Originally posted by Bakes:
Lets keep it on track guys.

It is on track, since we are not ruining anyone's hunt report,
a good bit of jousting in this thread is perfect and good fun.

Kiwis chase sheep, Gryph chases and gets close to Sambar.
That's enough detail or everyone's needs but be aware
what might happen if you go out on a hunt with Gryph stir Big Grin

Gryph,
Is that why you keep inviting everyone out hunting with you ?????

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Only those that qualify for the cupboard club Nige! You have been invited yourself haha



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To be fair, you can do a lot worse than hunt with Gryph. Good honest adventures with plenty of opportunities if your good enough.And your trusted to make your own mistakes.


Absolulely. I know Gryph and know he gets up close with Sambar
and shoots a fair few as well, I was just jousting with him
as a bit of payback.


Gryph,
I'll email you some pics of Buff / Scrubbers since
I can't post photos on here.

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So few kids play any sort of contact sport now
that they hardly ever get a chance to know what serious sport is IMHO. You hardly ever see kids now with scratches, breaks, arms in plaster etc.



Sadly, the vast majority of the current generation do a lot less than just not play sport.
Most DIY has fallen by the wayside too.
- don't know one end of a hacksaw from the other, let alone how to use it.
- blunt knife edges & don't know how to, or use, the ceramic 'steel" hanging next to the knife block.
- even have the hide to whinge about the poor knife edge when you leave it untouched to teach them a lesson next time.
........" Dad, its about time you sharpened the knives".

" Oh,.......that's what the cutting board is for..........I'll use it next time"..................never.
 
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My GF has 3 kids. 2 of them mostly spend from the time they get up to the time they go to bed in front of a computer playing WoW or Call of Duty. One occasionally asks if I want to play basketball.

In comparison, it was only 50 years ago that where I live now was a big rabbit warren and kids in the suburb 10 - 15km over used to walk here with 50 .22 bullets and they had to go back with 50 or more rabbits (never less than 50). That's how they survived the war, eat some, sell some to buy the next pack of bullets.

So in 50 years society has gone from Hunter / Gather to shopper !!!

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And that shopping is done online! They wont get off there arse to go downtown eh.. its too hard for them!



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Maybe it is diffferent in the country but every single kid I know plays some kind of sport outside of school, some play 2-3 different sports. My kids do, all their school friends do. Mind you the schools that they go to demand that they play at least one team sport. My daughter had to get an exemption from her school so that she could do ballet instead of weekend sport. She is in year three... My kids are growing up thinking that everyone has to play sport!!

Nigel - I played a bit of league at school and played a LOT of comp touch footy before I took up rugby. Yes it was unusual for someone of 24 to take up rugby for the first time though. I remember telling my flat mate of the time that I was thinking of playing and he told me I would get destroyed - that really made my mind up!! So ... he was right and I did get crushed but I picked myself up and licked my wounds and carried on...


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Hmm you didnt miss the roger post did you but conveniently chose to ignore a valuable free sambar hunt,got too much money? Or do you like to do it the other way!
I'll leave that to you....


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Maybe it is diffferent in the country but every single kid I know plays some kind of sport outside of school, some play 2-3 different sports. My kids do, all their school friends do. Mind you the schools that they go to demand that they play at least one team sport. My daughter had to get an exemption from her school so that she could do ballet instead of weekend sport. She is in year three... My kids are growing up thinking that everyone has to play sport!!

Nigel - I played a bit of league at school and played a LOT of comp touch footy before I took up rugby. Yes it was unusual for someone of 24 to take up rugby for the first time though. I remember telling my flat mate of the time that I was thinking of playing and he told me I would get destroyed - that really made my mind up!! So ... he was right and I did get crushed but I picked myself up and licked my wounds and carried on...



I think it must be different in the country - they do some sport at school but hardly any. Maybe that is the state school system in Vic.

"I did get crushed but I picked myself up and licked my wounds and carried on..."

If people can't (pick themselves up, lick wounds and carry on) then they shouldn't be playing any contact sport.

Rugby certainly prepared me for Mess games at Army camps. Not sure the Army agreed considering we managed to destroy one building at Puckapunyal playing mess Rugby but when the Camp Padre was the one throwing the "ball" in, it was hard to come down hard on us.

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Was an answer expected of one so churlish,lovely Kudu btw Matt, but wouldn't you like a nice Sambar stag to accompany it.... a free wild and legal one?



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Of course but I am happy to get one on my own programme thanks.


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