Just read an article in a US gun mag that was about the top 10 deer calibres (its been done to death I know)All the calibres were of US origin. No 6.5x55/7x57/whatever, am I the only one out there who thinks most of the common US calibres are boring?

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Originally posted by Bakes:
Just read an article in a US gun mag that was about the top 10 deer calibres (its been done to death I know)All the calibres were of US origin. No 6.5x55/7x57/whatever, am I the only one out there who thinks most of the common US calibres are boring?

Apparently so.
Which Australian calibers do you like?????????

Sorry, I'm not a metric fan, I'm glad the US calbers are popular.

I like the metric stuff Rae59. 6.5x55 and the 8x57. I tend to skip over articles with .270/.308/30-06 etc. I'm not saying they don't do the job but they just seem a bit ho hum to me.

7ml Rem mag.... best of both worlds.

I don't really care one way or the other. If the cartridge/rifle combo will place a projectile adequate to the job on target without undue recoil the I don't see what the problem is.

Either the 7x57 or 308 will do just about everything I need to do.


However, Bakes' point is the reason I don't bother with US gun magazines anymore...

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7ml Rem mag.... best of both worlds.

What? I thought you were a 280AI man.

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Originally posted by HendrikNZ:

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7ml Rem mag.... best of both worlds.

What? I thought you were a 280AI man.

I am, I said best of both worlds, the 280 AI is the best in the universe.

I like all of the 7.62mm/.30 cal's that will send an 180 gr bullet down range at 3,000+fps Metric or inch designation matters not to me.

Currently under construction is a Australian Cadet rifle in 5.6X50R

I feel the need, the need for speed.

I don't read most gun rags because it is usually the same thing with a different brand or caliber plugged in. Seems to repete itself or a regular cycle.

yep,, our calibers are real boring,, but I can go into 10 different gun shops within 10 miles of my rural Texas home and walk out with one of those boring calibers with all the ammo I want....

I know were your coming from. Buying a 30-06 for an American is like marrying the girl next door. She's allways been there but boreing before you've ever kissed her the first time.

The thing I've found is that right or wrong the American calibers are the most popular anywhere you go in the sporting fields.

Yes in Germany and Austria you will see a lot of 7x64, 7x65, 6.5x57 etc,etc, but you will also see lots of everything American. of the three Ferlach guns I own one is a .222 rem, another a 30-06 and the last is a double rifle chambered for .338 Win mag. I have a sauer drilling in 30-06.

My first hunt in Europe I shot my first rhebock with a borrowed Ferlach .300 win mag.

Having said all this I do have, and I do place a special aesthetic on my European guns chambered in traditional European cartridges.

I'm glade that the two british rifles I own are .375H&H's.

I'll fix the lot of you. 6.5/06

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I'll fix the lot of you. 6.5/06

Bloody hell mate..thats like having a red headed step son.....

Most mainstream cartridges are boring, 7X57 mauser is as common as a .308 and is well....boring, we all know what it will do, but that doesnt take away from its usefullness.

I shoot a .358win, not boring but will do the same thing as a .308 for most game. Also shoot a 35 Whelen not much difference than the 358 but hey its not boring!

I have killed most of my big game with a Rem 700 classic in 6.5X55 while looking sexy with those long 140's seated way out there, it kills with boring regularity.

In the end, they are all just numbers, and if you get caught up in that well that can get boring too.

My newest number is a 7 SAUM hey it cant be boring with all those letters after it!!!!

Nothing boring about my .270 Finnbear, but the same goes for my 7mm WSM, I could never find a rifle boring!

But don't you guys want to read about something different? Not the same old stuff regurgitated about the same old calibres?

Does the .204 Ruger qualify as new?

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Originally posted by fgulla:
In the end, they are all just numbers, and if you get caught up in that well that can get boring too.

That says it all for me. The "this cartridge is better than that cartridge" threads are mostly avoided by me.

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My newest number is a 7 SAUM hey it cant be boring with all those letters after it!!!!

My latest toy is a 300SAUM and that can't be boring, Remington have stopped chambering it.

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Originally posted by Bakes:
But don't you guys want to read about something different? Not the same old stuff regurgitated about the same old calibres?

There is so many out there now to liven them up they change a name

"Yep, this hows your mother is the best thing since they learned to bottle beer, they changed the shoulder angle .003 degrees and made the base a whole .000000092mm wider, then the cunning bugger's found a way to put a plastic base on the projectiles. Fuck it's good now."

Bakes

I love reading about different cartridges, but after using quite a few different carts i have come to the conclusion that if you destroy the clock work of an animal it will die, actually quite boring, but the truth.

The 7x57 or 6.5x55 will do nothing magical, put those bullets in the right spot and the game is over. In actuality, 99% of the people could use a 7x57 for 99% of the game they shoot, but we all know that would we way too boring.

The 30-06 has to be the greatest cartridge ever developed but yes it is boring. You have bullet choices of 110grs to 220grs and with newer monolithic bullets and newer powders the old war horse just gets better and better.

I reload so i own four or five reloading manuals, they usually go through the history of cartridges, quite interesting, but very redundant, there is so much overlap in cartridge developement that it can become a little crazy.

My 6.5 does the same thing that my 358 does or even the 7 saum now a days i pick a rifle for its attributes and not the cartridge. My 7 saum is a stainless/synthetic model 7 its farily short and compact and good for those rainy/snowy days that i must be in the woods for.

To me, there are no boring cartridges just boring writers, if you can check out Rifle or Handloader magazines they have a lot of non common cartridge articles...Good day mates...

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I love reading about different cartridges,

As do I mate. I'm not saying that any US calibre is bad or wont do the job. We all know that a 308/30-06/338/what ever will kill a deer etc. I just get sick of being told so by every magazine. Its boring! Look around and tell me something about some strange calibre. One of the Aussie mags did a story on the 303-25. That was interesting as I know a bloke that still hunts with one of these old timers.
I also find it a bit redundant when some author says "I had to go out with the new rifle chambered in 30-06 to see how it performed on game" Bloody hell we all know how it will perform.

Bakes,,, I can not remember the last gun magazine I read here in the US that I found interesting,, the last big "news" was when Ruger produced their 375 Ruger. And I agree with everyone,how many articles can you write on a 30-06? So now every magazine and hunting show promotes how much better the 375 ruger is than the 375 H&H... So what did I buy,,, I guess just a boring 375 H&H mag.. I think part of the problem here in the US is we never really went to the "metric" system. We do not readily use liters, kilos, celcius, kilometers, etc. You talk to one of us and say,,, I shoot a 6.5 X 55 you will get a blank stare 9 times out of 10. The exception will be the US hunters that do hunt overseas, especially Africa or those who reload.
My last pistol,, a FNH 5.7 X 28,, I love it,,, My last 2 rifles a 375 H&H mag and a 416 Rigby and will bring those 2 to Australia this summer for your buffalo, etc. If you see a good article please post it so the rest of us can get a little education over here.

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Originally posted by Bakes:
Just read an article in a US gun mag that was about the top 10 deer calibres (its been done to death I know)All the calibres were of US origin. No 6.5x55/7x57/whatever, am I the only one out there who thinks most of the common US calibres are boring?

Bakes,

I see we are almost up to a full page of posts and:

1) Nobody knows what US 10 you actually saw! or

2) What 10 you would prefer?

Please List.

Bakes, several years ago, our Shotgun News mag regularly ran articles by an Aussie named John Enright. I always eagerly looked in every new issue to see if they had a new contribution from him. I liked his style and learned a lot. I remembered an article he wrote about Winchester lever action rifles "Down Under", around the turn of the last century. He said the 30-30 that took the states by storm never made it big there. It was due to the fact that ship captains then didn't want to store ammo below for safty reasons. The black powder 38-40's and 44-40's weathered the trip better in crates on deck. I always learned something from him and sorely miss reading his work.

Hi Bakes, My favourite rifle was a 6.5 x 55, a while ago now I had Shane Clancey run a .284 reamer up it's bum.Talk about an improvement!!! It's now like standing 100 metres(yards?)closer to the target, and it got rid of those silly Metrics to !!It's now a 6.5/.284, Well half of them anyway.

Hello BoyzThis a confab I have with more than a few of my fellow americans from time to time.When they start to blow about THE GREAT 30/06,,,I say wasn't it a good thing there were about 8 Euro cart.s established to show us the way!!!Same for the .308,,708,,.260,,.243,,6mm Rem.,,.257 Roberts,,.................well you get it!!!!!

And let us not forget the .303--.30/40 thing,,,though we did take the fall with that stupid loose feed side loading door on the Krag,,,a beautifully machined piece it may have been,,,the SMELLY was the way to go if we wanted to stay with a rimmed cart.

Yes I've had many '06's,,but like the 8 Mauser better,,I shoot a .300 Winny,,,but really want a 8x68,,,I have a .308 but prefer my .303,,,I like the Roberts,,but would take 6.5x57,,,And so on and so on,,if the rifle fits me,,,I don't care what the chambering is .
If the tree is purty,,I don't care if the fit is off,,,or even bad!!!!!If the blueing is deep and soft,,,,I don't care if the tree is purty...................................................KNOW WHAT I MEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT'S ALL GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just find it astounding that Bakes can read and count to 10 ....

Why do people label rifle cartridges as "interesting" or "boring"?

I consider "functional", "Effective" and most importantly "available" to be better labels.

"Boring" is emotional bullshit and it doesn't do yourself credit to think that way, much less voice those thoughts
in public.

Now as for why are american cartridges so popular?
Simple, american gun owners outnumber all other gun owners world wide by atleast a factor of ten.
And in all likelihood each american gun owner probably owns as many rifles as you AND your extended family combined.

At last count I owned atleast three rifles in 30-06 alone...

"Boring"? if you say so, but it puts meat on the ground.

Why on earth would you expect an ecclectic cartridge like the 6.5x55 to be popular when only two countries, Norway and Sweden, ever used it?

Yeah their surplus rifles wound up all over the world, but the only reason they are well known is that virtually ALL of their surplus rifles ended up in private hands, hell I have one... but if I didn't handload for it, it would be gathering dust above my fireplace.

The 303 brit would likely be "up there" if your elected government hadn't outlawed it...

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Why would anyone want a 7X57 mauser when they could have a 7mm-08? or why would you shoot a 6.5X55 swede when you could get have a perfectly good .260 Rem ?

Wait a minute... ???

There are a heap of interesting new cartridges out there as well as new takes on old ones from USA. Some have been taken up well and some not so well:

Pointed bullets for lever actions, Rimmed versions of popular rifle cartridges for use in modern lever actions like 307 and 357 versions of 308 and 358 (quite a few years now!)

.204 Ruger, .17 HM2 and HMR, Short magnums of all types, Rugers own cartridges like 375, Marlin over t he years a few as well and several manufacturers have resurrected a few oldies.

Then there are the premium loadings bringing combinations of premium bullets and cartridges previously only available to handloaders to market.

Not boring to me but also have to admit you dont see much of the Euro stuff in US magazines but thats not surprising when they cater for a population of 300 Million and we get some extra copies here. Metric rounds arent common there unless also loaded there too so not surprising they arent covered as much really...

What would you think of a 7.62X63.5MM/06?

Ray the article I read was in Gun World magazine and the calibres they listed were as follows.

25-06
257 Wby
270 Win
280 Rem
280 Ack
7 STW
30-06
300 WSM
338 Fed

Now all these will kill a deer I have no doubt, but how many times do we have to read about this stuff? Every magazine does the same type of article and with a few exceptions its the same list. Now my list would start with the

6.5x55
6.5x58
7x57
8x57
303
9.3x62
9.3x64 Brenneke
300 H&H
375 H&H
And to fill out the 10 I'll add a US calibre in as I never said they wouldn't do the job.
45/70 (this old thumper's not boring )

GBanger, I've heard the name but can't say that I've read any articles from him.

"Why do people label rifle cartridges as "interesting" or "boring"?"

It was probably a poor choise of word, I should of said "Done to Death" They all do their job and put meat on the table but for christ sake write about something different for a change.


Oh and Muzza....

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Originally posted by Bakes:
Ray the article I read was in Gun World magazine and the calibres they listed were as follows.

25-06
257 Wby
270 Win
280 Rem
280 Ack
7 STW
30-06
300 WSM
338 Fed

Now all these will kill a deer I have no doubt, but how many times do we have to read about this stuff? Every magazine does the same type of article and with a few exceptions its the same list. .....

Wow! That's not even a good US list!

Seems the writer left out the 30/30, 308, 300 Winy and 45/70 - Bet he's got a "special interest" in something he listed in there!

PS: I do like some European and other metric calipers. I've used the 303 Brit, 7.5x55, 7.7x58, 8x57 and the 9.3x62!

I like the some of the metric cartridges. In the last few years used the .257x57, 7x57, 8x57, and 9.3x62.

that list includes the 7STW, and I'll send you a dollar for every 7STW I've ever seen.... If you send me an SASE, but you'll lose money on the deal...

7mmRemMags are like 30-06's, damn near everybody's got one...

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Originally posted by Bakes:
Ray the article I read was in Gun World magazine and the calibres they listed were as follows.

25-06
257 Wby
270 Win
280 Rem
280 Ack
7 STW
30-06
300 WSM
338 Fed

Now all these will kill a deer I have no doubt, but how many times do we have to read about this stuff? Every magazine does the same type of article and with a few exceptions its the same list. Now my list would start with the

6.5x55
6.5x58
7x57
8x57
303
9.3x62
9.3x64 Brenneke
300 H&H
375 H&H
And to fill out the 10 I'll add a US calibre in as I never said they wouldn't do the job.
45/70 (this old thumper's not boring )

GBanger, I've heard the name but can't say that I've read any articles from him.

"Why do people label rifle cartridges as "interesting" or "boring"?"

It was probably a poor choise of word, I should of said "Done to Death" They all do their job and put meat on the table but for christ sake write about something different for a change.


Oh and Muzza....

There's your problem right there!

You read an article that was written by a complete idiot. Listing both the 280 and the 280 Ackley and then adding the 7STW and the 300WSM, what a fucking retard!

On behalf of my fellow countrymen I apologize for inflicting that crap article on the rest of the English speaking world.

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Originally posted by Allan DeGroot:
that list includes the 7STW, and I'll send you a dollar for every 7STW I've ever seen.... .....
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Allan, I've seen one!?

Author of the article is Buck Pope. I don't know who he is but maybe you guys do?

What was the article called?

1. "These are MY 10 favourite DEER cartridges"

2. "These are american hunters 10 favourite deer cartridges"(by a poll of hunters)
3. "These are the 10 favourite deer cartridges of a group of my hunting friend"

For STRICTLY deer cartridges (and in america when they say deer they are talking about mule deer and white-tail deer) I don't like all of Buck Pope's list or all of Bakes's list.

The heading was "The top ten cartridges for deer- A veteran hunter picks his favorites"

And what do you mean you don't like my list ........