don't worry to much about woodjack or should that be jackass
he is a fucking looser and a sad little man who needs to get a life

he's not a hunter arse hole and never will be

the real funny bit is he thinks he was being funny with his comments
like i said to him people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones after seeing a pic of the 4 eyed geck i dout he has any kids himself as he would be lucky to get layed unles he paid for it or he meet some mega fugly like himself

he sits behind his computer trying to look like he knows a thing or two about hunting but truth be known he couldn't hunt his way out of a wet paper bag

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Gryph,

On what evidence do you rate Irwin as being the

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most recognised reptile handler in the world

AW come on John,you have to be kidding with that q`s dont you?

Just the fact that his shows on ANIMAL PLANET drew so many people from around the world to watch them backs that up and they are in the millions mate....Jeff Corwin tries mate but dosent come close Eric Worrel is a bygone...who elses is there?The Indian "taipan man" from up north?

I remember none other than watching STEVEN SPIELBERG saying on the box how he was going home to sit down with the kids and watch the croc hunter as they never missed a show!

That has to be one of the best endorsements ever by probably the greatest movie maker in our time mate.

I`m not saying he was the most wonderful person ever to be an ambassador for Oz either,but successful in what he did to command the attention of the millions that watched him he certainly was.Go on mate of course you sneaked a look in like many others here,far better than watching Marthur`s home cleaning remedies show eh!

Bottom line to all you knockers is that if you had a loose taipan in your lounge room and Erwin was there i bet you all would be a lot happier and would gladly stand back and let him TCB.I have never seen a better snake handler ever in my time i have to add...and every bastard is knocking the poor dead bloke yet none of the collective lot of us posting on here would pick up a tiger,taipan,mamba,brown etc etc like he would,case closed!

And woodjack you digress all you like,it dosent excuseyour comments about his child and going by her reported poise at her own dad`s funeral this kid will go a long way...wtf have you got mate? She owns a fucking crocodile farm

There are a couple of people I would prefer to have in the lounge room if a dangerous snake made an appearance ,neither of them are known to the media ,Graham Gow (dec of old age) forgot more about snakes than Irwin ever knew, and a man I know (I won't publish his name on the internet without permission)did a lot of work with Stockholm university researching topend snakes, at one stage he was breeding death adders, had about 150 of them and bread them to send the young to Sweden for research.

Top media personality? yes . Top snake handler ? I dunno about that.

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Originally posted by RobinOLocksley:

Speaking ill of people with different attitudes to us speaks of our own character.People vote for different parties.You don't call all those voted against your party idiots or of low IQ.

Best regards to all-

Locksley, who shed a tear at Steve's death.

https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3811043/m/791102245

You don't get down to the political forum do you ??

Lets see,playing with a croc with your one month old in your hand,then bouncing him around causing his delicate head and neck area to flop like a ragdoll in a terriers mouth,from that you summize that he is not dumb, cause he has vip status and money, that overrides all!, wonderful value system you have there. If Erwin though there was nothing in it,that it was not a low cheap irresponsible stunt,why would he be(or you be) so offended by the idea of a harmless in comparison caricature of his other child? He unneccesarily exploited and endangered his own newborn entertaining simpletons in the crowd to advance his career. But you dont have problem with that, you have a problem with a caricature. That may be distasteful to you, but thats nothing like a parent who is a danger to their own children. But if you dont see it that way, then your lack of wisdom and sound judgement is about the same as his.
From what a great reptile handler you say he was, Would you pass him your 1 month old and allow him do what he did?. Maybe there were Erwin fans throwing there todlers over the fence,so they to could be part of the action.

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...yet none of the collective lot of us posting on here would pick up a tiger,taipan,mamba,brown etc etc like he would,case closed!..[quote]


[QUOTE]Originally posted by gryphon1:

... this kid will go a long way...wtf have you got mate? She owns a fucking crocodile farm

Snakes?,Most people dont pick them up or harass stingrays for that matter,for much the same reason most dont know how to rebuild a RR Jumbo engine,or the composition of moondust,cause theres no real reason why they all should.
He mostly had no good reason too do what he did either, except to feed his own sensationalism,and contribute to his own demise, casket closed!


Crocodile farm? If you ask a child or adult what they felt was more important to have,

1/a dumb dead daddy who left you lots of money,fame and a crocodile farm of course, or

2/a daddy who was a little more sensible,responsible,not greedy but still a good provider,and who felt being around you for the long run was more important than his own destructive obsessions.

Im sure there would a weighted responce to number 2, except for those like you who picked 1.

"Every chance I get i will put my life on the line to save crocs" S.Erwin
maybe should have considered investing more of that life of his toward the kids,instead of gambling it away on natures nasties.

Bindi and Tigerlily will probably get together one day,and do a special on Oprah,a story in WomansDay,Weekly,on how tough life is for famous rich kids without their dumb parent(s).

As to WTF ive got, much much less in comparison,
You would be dissapointed. I Dont appear on any vip or richest list, however a small waterfront in Sydney, holiday house in SantaMonica, partnerhip in a small rural property with a charming old resident 12g that gets used alot on pesky venemous reptiles, a helicopter that gets used from time to time amongst other things, to retrieve the lifeless sack of shit bodies of twits & dumbfxs like your lizard god Erwin. and oh yeh,last but not least, a beating heart.
I also help DoctorsWithoutBorders, who save people, not trees and feral animals.
Like I said,not much in comparison to all that wealth /status you admired of his, but surely enough to get me through.

Now,Gryph1, What about you cobber..? if you wake from your crochunter wet dreams and find enough time to raise your head from kissing his dirty boots, you can clean your lips and clear the illusionary stardust that he has been sprinkling about your head, and not avoid answering two simple Questions;

-From what a great reptile handler and intelligent person you say he was, Would you pass him your 1 month old and allow him do what he did?.
- And just for the record,seeing that you ask this very same question, WTF have you got?

As for U Madness,in between collecting your numerous trophy heads, you are most welcome to come over and collect the many deadhead rent dodging,welfare scabing,jail filling kiwis anytime you like.

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Originally posted by gryphon1:

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Gryph,

On what evidence do you rate Irwin as being the

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most recognised reptile handler in the world

AW come on John,you have to be kidding with that q`s dont you?

Just the fact that his shows on ANIMAL PLANET drew so many people from around the world to watch them backs that up and they are in the millions mate....Jeff Corwin tries mate but dosent come close Eric Worrel is a bygone...who elses is there?The Indian "taipan man" from up north?

I remember none other than watching STEVEN SPIELBERG saying on the box how he was going home to sit down with the kids and watch the croc hunter as they never missed a show!

That has to be one of the best endorsements ever by probably the greatest movie maker in our time mate.

I agree he had a very successful entertainment TV show. With a lot of silly stunts, and a lot of (alledgedly) staged stunts as well. Remember it is possible to "trick" a camera. The fact he did this has been proved on TV itself where one of his film sequences was examined frame by frame. After he started wrestling a crocodile a watch magically appeared on his wrist, meaning there was a considerable break in the filming which was presented as being continuous. I hope the frozen croc was allowed to thaw out first before being wrestled!

Evidently not all his stunts were staged as the sting-ray proved. Had to happen one day.

Action and seemingly dangerous stunts is what created his successful programme. Along with a very effective PR machine. As was proved by the PR event, his final tribute show.

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Steven Spielberg watched his show with his kids?

I didnot know Spielberg was a fellow world authority on reptile handling?!

The sort of evidence I would be looking for is endorsements from recognised reptile experts, who largely seem to think him the opposite!

PS Gryph - I thought Irwin owned a "conservational" minded Zoo, not a mere exploitation of crocodiles for entertainment, leather and meat "farm"!

The Indian Taipan Man is Ram Chandra.

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Bottom line to all you knockers is that if you had a loose taipan in your lounge room and Erwin was there i bet you all would be a lot happier and would gladly stand back and let him TCB.

Thanks Aus Dave you jolted my memory for his name.I did see the life story on him some time ago on the ABC..very interesting.

Somehow i feel that although with all the tricks of the TV world thrown(as Hahny pointed out) Irwin could still handle a snake or two,in fact far better than i ever could and i suspect the posters on this forum also.

Madness you were right.


And to those that have forgotten my original post was in response to woodjack bagging the shit out of a nine year old girl.... a nine year old GIRL FOR FUCKS SAKE

I was in Dar es Salaam a few days ago and some Australians there had organized a Steve Irwin memorial get together. He was better liked than I realized.

But I am not suprised that he bought it. He looked awkward on TV. I once worked for a guy named Stan Brock who later became a star on the US TV series called Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom.

Stan was an Olympic class athlete. He was an amateur boxing champ in his weight class in England when he was 15. He ran twelve miles a day bare foot. He worked out on the rings. He was agile and very fit.

He got away with animal antics for decades and then he left Wild Kingdom. But he was so fit and agile that it was easy for him to do. Stan is in his 70s now and he still does 120 pushups a day in a row. Not in sets of 10.

In contrast Steve Irwin always looked to me like an awkward loud mouthed buffoon, a kind of Australian Timothy Treadwell.

I am not suprised he got taken out. He had that dumb look about him that led me to believe that when he got away from the crocodiles he grew up with, that he would misjudge his situations with new animals and not be fit or quick enough to save himself when things went wrong.

But a former salesman from NBC told me he would have been making about US$ 7 million a year with his show so I know why he behaved like he did.

If the audience wants a circus give it to them.

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would have been making about US$ 7 million a year with his show

Yes it appears that he was a real idiot,dumb,useless and not worth a zac either,only the stupid fools make money it seems.
Tall Poppy syndrome?

I loved Wild Kingdom" as a kid and remember that fella along with Marlin Perkins,i remenber Brock being treed by an angry black bear one time and i thought then that he could "go a bit" haha.

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Tall Poppy syndrome?

More like "Anti-Greenie" syndrome.

Steve Irwin was to true conservation, the same as hunting a sambar deer in the Vic Alps is to shooting a canned sambar deer in a one acre yard.

Fake and superficial.

Dear Gryphon1,

I worked for Stan Brock in South America when he was about 30. He was educated at a private school in England called Canford. When he was 15 he tried to join the French Foreign Legion but they would not let him in because he was too young. He then went to Portugal and learned to vault bulls. He can run at a charging bull and when it drops its head do a somersault over its shoulders and end up behind the bull. He once went out with John Osborne from Zimbabwe National Parks and roped a wild African buffalo from horseback. Found it very easy to do. He is the only animal handler the late Clem Coetzee stood in awe of. Clem told me that. At one time Stan even hung ropes from the trees at his home in Tennessee and learned to swing from tree to tree like Tarzan. When he went to Chicago to work for Don Meier Productions, who produced Wild Kingdom, he joined a Karate club and got a black belt in six months and he was only at the club a bit because he was always off making movies.

I've met lots of Rhodesian SAS, Selous Scouts etc but I have never met anyone even close to Stan in terms of fitness or being a risk taking adventurer. No one even close. For example, he was the first white man (and likely first man) to cut a trail completely across the jungle of southern British Guiana all the way to Surinam. That's hacking you way through about 300 miles of unknown dense jungle.

In the early day he spent all his money hunting in Kenya. He even shot black rhino in the old days. He wrote one of the best books ever about hunting in South America. Its called "Hunting in the Wilderness."The publisher is Robert Hale. Stan showed me how to shoot deer from a running horse and how to rope bulls.

Stan felt the movies were a bit frivolous (and he made some dam silly B grade movies) and so he left films and started a thing called Remote Area Medical. He now flies around the world bringing medical care to people who can't afford it.

Its called "Hunting in the Wilderness."The publisher is Robert Hale. [/QUOTE]

I rread that book and i think i may even have it in my library...a bit of jaguar hunting in there too was good stuff.

FFS will you guys get it right!

Steve's old man(Bob Sr) owns frikin' Australia Zoo(the croc farm),his house is out the back.Steve and Co might have tipped a lotta dollars into the Zoo,but the old man owns the dirt.

Shaun

I think a substantial amount of land at the zoo, or elsewhere, would have been purchased as well from public "greenie" donations. There was several thousand hectares purchased somewhere and they were touting that in his "tribute" TV show.

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Shaun

I think a substantial amount of land at the zoo, or elsewhere, would have been purchased as well from public "greenie" donations. There was several thousand hectares purchased somewhere and they were touting that in his "tribute" TV show.

Unquestionable,but Steve never "built" a Zoo.The bloody thing has been there for 30+ years that I can remember.