I don't understand.
Micheal Jackson shows his baby out of a window and the whole world condem him, Steve Irwin plays with crocodriles with his baby just for give more excitement to the show and nobody says nothing ???

I am really sorry for him and his family. But don't you think that was he has done with his baby was irresposable ?? YES or NOT ???

L

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Originally posted by Brown Dog:

quote:

“Sad for his family but ...â€

“The world is a poorer place without Steve Irwin. That's debatable!â€

“His demise is certainly no loss for the hunting community.â€

“not a huge loss.â€

“There is no middle ground with the anti hunting types, good one is a dead oneâ€

“I find no pity in my heart for this man…â€.

If any of the people who made those comments claim to live by Christian or similar moral codes; I would recommend they take a long hard look in the mirror.


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“His demise is certainly no loss for the hunting community.†- That was me. And I'll stand by that, without having any trouble looking into the mirror, or doubting my morals and integrity.

There seems to be a misguided notion amongst some people that it's cold hearted or some such nonsence to speak ill of the dead. But the fact is, that if the deceased was a complete wanker in life, or did somehting evil/wrong/whatever, why should we hide this when they're dead? Mind you, as long as the same people had the balls to say the same when person X was alive IMO.

I've always openly said that Irwin was a complete wanker whenever he popped up as a subject, and I will continue to do so because I know I am right. People with genuine integrity stick to their beliefs, and don't try to make deceased people who did something wrong, look all nice and rosy just so as to act "nice and christian like". Doing so would be hypocritical...

Irwin was very anti-hunting (despite that a lot of people outside Oz were clearly not aware of it), and was to a large degree a phoney when it came to genuine bush knowledge. His death doesn't change that. But now that he is gone, at least he won't be able to brainwash future generations into believing his drivel.

He was an accident waiting to happen, and has undoubtedly influenced lots of gullible TV veiwers into thinking they can fool around with dangerous animals. Or harrass them like Irwin did. Snakes and other animals that we've all seen strike out at Irwin did so because they felt threatened by him.

So although it's a very sad situation for his wife and 2 kids, his demise is no loss for the animal kingdom. And again, it's certainly no loss for the hunting community.

Erik,

If you had said:

"I thought he was a wanker; but nevertheless it's sad that he died"

you would have maintained your integrity / honesty, whilst showing compassion.


I have trouble with anyone saying, about someone who clearly wasn't evil, but simply walked a different path:


"I thought he was a wanker, I couldn't care a less that he's dead, but it's a pity his wife and kids will be sad"


....if he'd been beheading people in orange coveralls I could understand...

......but simply because I didn't like his TV show?


...reality (or perhaps, naivety) check required.

Brown Dog,

I have no problem with being compassionate. But compassion is the ability to feel for someone who is suffering. Which Steve Irwin isn't (Presuming he didn't end up somewhere extremely hot, and will suffer for all eternity. But I choose to think that he ended up somewhere nicer. ). His wife and kids are suffering however, which is why I feel sad for them.

If you find this insensitive, so be it,. But you're beginning to sound pretty sanctimonious IMO...

Insensitive? No.

Ignorant? Yes.

As you say, so be it.

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you're beginning to sound pretty sanctimonious

Yes, I think you're right about that...apologies

The whole issue here isnt that Stevie Wonder-boy is dead - its about the differances in perception of him and what he represented.

To Aussies and Kiwi hunter/outdoors types he was a total wanker ( as stated by more than one other poster ), the type of guy everyone hopes their daughters dont bring home and marry . He was a loud , obnoxious , in-ya-face buffoon who tormented animals into attacking him so he could be shown on tv demonstrating to the awed audience just how skilled he was at handling these very "dangerous" creatures. He was a show man with an enormous ego - which Aussies and Kiwis despise as part of their culture.

To Non-Antipodeans Steve Irwin was a hero , protector of wildlife , educator of the masses , skilled animal handler , adventurer etc , etc , etc . Kids loved him , urban dwellers whose only outdoors experience is walking in the park loved him , tv stations loved him.

So the big issue here is that we all accept that differant people had differant opinions on the guy - each as valid as the next . We down here arent any more right in our view than the rest of the world , we just need to agree to disagree and move on . Fighting amongst ourselves wont bring the guy back , no matter which viewpoint you hold .

Wheew,I thought you were going to tell us he was born in Nelson.

muzza,
I don't think anyone is fighting, just a spirited discussion. It is healthy to get such different opinions, and boy oh boy, there sure are a lot of them. He was certainly a different dude.

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Wheew,I thought you were going to tell us he was born in Nelson.

Yes, and this is one instance where I was hoping the Kiwis would claim him as one of their's!!!

He's all yours

You Aussies and Kiwis are tough bunch. Glad I'm not on your bad side.

Do any of you guys remember the wrestling tag team of Luke Williams and Butch Miller from New Zealand that called themselves The Bushwackers?

They were a big favorite here in the states back in the 80s.

Yes i do,boy do i feel old now

Heh,I remember Haystack Calhoun. I loved it when they twisted that horseshoe(on a chain) around his neck.

..and Australia's own,Larry O'Day.

Yikes,found this...

Dead wrestlers

quote:

Originally posted by Brown Dog:
Insensitive? No.

Ignorant? Yes.

As you say, so be it.

quote:

you're beginning to sound pretty sanctimonious

Yes, I think you're right about that...apologies

I suppose I'll have to yield to your superiour intellect. Thank you for setting me straight...

Just saw one sickening example of someone trying to cash in on Irwin's death.

A 40 ish year old man interviewed said he met Steve for five minutes, that Steve talked on his mobile for a minute to his son, and it has changed the interviewee's life for ever! a greater impact than anyone else ever has had.

what type of shallow existance has that tool led?

I wonder what i missed about the offer of the state funeral. Did Irwin (secretly) find a cure for cancer?

Or is an election looming?

Coupla points...

I don't begrudge anyone making money from what they do, AS LONG AS it doesn't have a negative impact on people... as it happens, I get paid pretty damn well for doing what I love - and what I do happens to help a lot of people.

Comparisons with racing car drivers, et al are specious, and irrelevent.

As to having 'Christian values'.. care to explain?

Here's another perspective..

http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/death-becomes-an-exc...7/1157222262395.html

The Sydney Morning Herald is generally held in slightly higher regard than much of our media...

BTW, as far as highlighting Australia's 'Most Dangerous' animals is concerned, there have been 3 deaths from 'rays - how many have been killed or seriously injure while handling cattle, or doing other day to day tasks on a farm? Or on the road, or .......

Sensationalism does not equate with sincerity.

It's 'superior' ....how apposite

All the best

Matt

Please forgive my poor English. I prefer Norwegian...

quote:

Originally posted by lawndart:

His death was ultimately a very selfish act. How many of us on the boards here have spit in danger's eye in our younger years, and then stopped that when we had a wife and kids. I certainly did. I realized I no longer had the right to explore the edge of the envelope or get close to the precipice. A real man does not deliberately place his kids in danger of being orphans, or his wife in excess danger of becoming a widow.

LD

REALLY anyone who engages in a dangerous occupation doesn't think of it that way. Otherwise you would never have and married with children police officers, soldiers, firemen, roughnecks, high steel construction workers... you get the idea.
I spent over 20 years crawling some of the nastiest ghetto in the USA and then also spent over 5 years doing undercover narcotics. Married with 2 boys. Was it dangerous, yes. BUT not the way one would think. ANYONE who does that line of work never thinks they are the one who is going to get the bullet in the back of the head. I don't have a clue how many times I have been shot at just in police work but it would take up more than two hands to count it. (also on SWAT) It was just something you did and it was just part of the job.
After you have done it a while, you don't think of yourself as bulletproof but more as skilled enough to pull it off for another day.
One of the guys I worked with was a bullet magnet. EVERYBODY shot at him... including other cops. When I retired he had been hit 6 times on six different ocassions. One of those was a "friendly fire" incident where rounds going into the front of a house came out the back and nicked him. Never anything serious, just a nick here, a shattereed fragment there. BUT he had been shot at God only knows how many times. He just seemed to draw fire. Married, kids, it never dawned on him that he should leave the job. He left a few years after I did and none the worse for wear.

Did The CH take chances that looked overly foolish, you bet. But we will never know how those acts looked through his eyes and in his mind. that is the person who had to decide on how dangerous it was and he was the one who had to consider the risk.

SYDNEY, Australia (CNN) -- Comments by academic Germaine Greer on the death of wildlife TV star Steve Irwin have triggered a storm of anger with the Australian author criticized for being "insensitive" and "elitist."

Greer, best known for her feminist book "The Female Eunuch", said Wednesday Irwin was an "embarrassment" and a "self-deluded animal torturer."

Irwin, who gained international fame for his "Crocodile Hunter" TV series, was killed Monday by a stingray barb while filming a wildlife documentary.

Speaking on Australian TV Channel Nine's "A Current Affair" news program Wednesday, Greer described those who mourned Irwin's passing as "idiots" and said possibly millions of Australians were embarrassed by him.

Greer said Irwin had not treated animals with the respect they deserved.

"He would tell you how dangerous they were and he would proceed to intrude on their space and humiliate (them) really -- treat them with massive insensitivity," she said. "It's no surprise he came to grief."

Greer's views, first aired in Britain's Guardian newspaper on Tuesday, have drawn a sharp response in Australia from politicians and commentators. (TIME.com: In defense of Steve Irwinexternal link)

Queensland state leader Peter Beattie told Greer to "back off" and labeled her comments "stupid" and "insensitive."

"Germaine Greer is just wrong and I just can't imagine anyone being more insensitive and, frankly, stupid," he said Thursday.

"This argument is just extreme radical rubbish from Germaine Greer and it couldn't come at a more insensitive time.

"Any suggestion that he (Irwin) mistreated animals is just rubbish ... he educated a generation."

Author John Birmingham, writing in The Australian newspaper Thursday, called Greer's comments "a poisonous discharge of bile" which encapsulated the views of a "whole class of Australian sophisticates" who felt uncomfortable with Irwin's global celebrity.

Greer is a frequent critic of personalities like British soccer star David Beckham and social trends like reality television, although she herself appeared briefly in Britain's Celebrity Big Brother series.

In other news, Irwin's father said his son's funeral would be held privately within seven days, The Associated Press reports.

He confirmed that the family had declined a state funeral for the television star.

In a short statement to media at the family's Australia Zoo reptile park, Bob Irwin said his son's funeral would be private at an undisclosed location, and that a public memorial service would be held within two weeks.

"He wants to be remembered as an ordinary bloke," Irwin said earlier. (Watch Irwin's father describe his son -- 2:24)

quote:

Originally posted by Lorenzo:
I don't understand.

I am really sorry for him and his family. But don't you think that was he has done with his baby was irresposable ?? YES or NOT ???

L

No

quote:

Originally posted by Widowmaker416:

quote:

Originally posted by Lorenzo:
I don't understand.

I am really sorry for him and his family. But don't you think that was he has done with his baby was irresposable ?? YES or NOT ???

L

No

This...


Is irresponsible

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Originally posted by Collins:

quote:

Originally posted by Widowmaker416:

quote:

Originally posted by Lorenzo:
I don't understand.

I am really sorry for him and his family. But don't you think that was he has done with his baby was irresposable ?? YES or NOT ???

L

No

This...


Is irresponsible

My vote is NO!

Why this person refered to himself as the crocodile hunter is beyond me !!!!?????? He wasnt a hunter at all !!!!!!!!! why wasnt he the ''crocodile man''or the ''crocodile catcher'' maybe because ''crocodile hunter ''sounded ''more alluring ,intrepid ,daring ,!!!!or commercialing appealing hmmmmmmmmmmmmm ?????? Steve Erwin was a clown who landed on his feet !!!! good for him !!!!! and then realized, people were GULLIBLE and DUMB enough to think he was a Ghuru of Crocagators !!!!!which anyone with any Nouse!!!!!!!!! and SENSE would REALIZE he wasnt !!!!!BUT people ''Believe ''what they want to believe in!!!!!!!!! the tooth fairy ,Santa claus ,politicians and there BS, and year after year Continue to vote for,,,,, them despite NOTHING changing !!!!!!!!Hmmmmmmmm on a short segment on TV ,Terri posing with Cougars with a ,in the background ''shot'' of ''BAN THE COUGAR HUNT ''She is either a incredibly clever woman !!!!! which i think she is !!!!! and Steve, the dummy up front !!!!!!!! Ultimately people like this want to end hunting [like the recent ban of duck and quail shootiing in Queensland ]what are these people here that ''support Steve ''going to do after hunting and guns are banned worldwide !! sit back and watch ''re_runs '' of this cock spouting his Bigoted self opinonated wank ! on the ''environment ''HMMMMMMMMM letting a wild pig ''loose ''hmmmmmm !!!He was a person who did not have a Balanced intelligent point of view !!! countless Australian shooters contribute more to conservation by culling pests ,pigs ,foxes,cats etc at their own personal expense, than this idiot ever did ! He was someone like many in history ,without a BALANCED viewpoint .American and Australian soldiers did this during ww2 !!!! and are doing it Now !!!!!!!!!!! When i watch Jim Lehrer i feel more sorry for all those American soldiers losing there lives for a cause for humanity !that really makes me angry ! that this twit gets more air play and iam Australian grrrrrrrrrrrr

Any man who greatly rejoices at the accidental death of another is no man at all.

Tall poppies should be left to grow as they will.

nice call Randy Wakeman

quote:

Originally posted by MADNESS:
nice call Randy Wakeman

It's the death of the personallity (I hope) that's being celebrated...

Definitly not the man.

quote:

Any man who greatly rejoices at the accidental death of another is no man at all.

Tall poppies should be left to grow as they will.

Randy Wakeman

Well said Randy

I couldn't agree more.

A parent loves their child like no other could,but I am glad he left his family fame and fortune cause in all reality,when ones daughter has a face like a dropped pie,the money and fame and now high profile sympathy, will give them prospects and acceptance from society that the general person would not otherwise recieve. Finally after all the sensationalism, some pragmatism. Another option would be to market a biscuit modeled off her,they could be called Bindi Gorilla biscuits. Kids around the world would buy them in the millions, increasing the family fortune enormously.
After all it was Mr.S.Erwin himself who said money is a great thing,that he cannot get enough of it,and that he dont care where it comes from,he will take it all!
So, my suggestion only follows his standards,which when it suited him, were none at all. So I am confident he would not be offended, hence no reason for anyone else to be.

Where would Tori Spelling be if not related to Aaron Spelling?

quote:

Originally posted by RandyWakeman:
Any man who greatly rejoices at the accidental death of another is no man at all.

Tall poppies should be left to grow as they will.

RW, where in this thread do you see any person 'greatly rejoicing', or even 'rejoicing' at the death of Irwin?

My take on this thread is that most if not all of the posters have expressed their sorrow at his death, but not sorrow at what he stood for.

quote:

Originally posted by GreybeardBushman:
Just saw one sickening example of someone trying to cash in on Irwin's death.

A 40 ish year old man interviewed said he met Steve for five minutes, that Steve talked on his mobile for a minute to his son, and it has changed the interviewee's life for ever! a greater impact than anyone else ever has had.

what type of shallow existance has that tool led?

I wonder what i missed about the offer of the state funeral. Did Irwin (secretly) find a cure for cancer?

Or is an election looming?

Nah, not cancer. Little Johnnies going to petition the Pope to have Irwin made a saint!

If some consider the above appropriate, then those same people should have no problem with strapping their littlies to their back while after close quarters Buff or Lion.
They could pass you extra .470NE rounds over your shoulder,as needed. But at least wait until they are old enough to be able to support the weight of their own head.

hey Woodjack i take it from your post above you were having a crack at steves daughter looks

that is a petty low blow in my books

i think maybe you and your daughter should take a look in the mirror before you go chucking mud next time you two arn't no oil paintings either

Madness,
Just stating the facts. Dont know why you feel so violated by the truth.
I like Hyenas,but I dont try to imagine that they look like or have any of the style and grace of a Cheetah.

Madness,

you're obviously not a parent - that child is too young to have the strength in it's neck muscles to 'support her head'... it puts the child at severe risk of injury from having it's head 'flop around'... and having spent a fair bit of time daling with the results of that sort of injury, I can tell you, it ain't pleasant.

Any responsible parent knows that. It's got nothing to do with the kid's looks.

As to having a child that close to a croc... well... that's bloody irresponsible!!

They may look docile and slow moving, but watch one in the wild, and you'll see how fast they can be... they didn't survive millions of years by being slow to act!! Even Irwin's films would /should give an indication of this...

'Crikey!! they're quick!

rugeruser where the fuck have i said i agree with steve holding bob in that pic ?
it is stilly and not a good thing to do try reading to post before looking like a dick we weren't even talking about the pic of young bob (the baby in the pic)

woodjack was bagging the looks of steves oldest child bindi get your facts straight before you peply next time

and as for your assumption re me having kids yes i do i have two and wouldn't put them in that position either

as for you woodjack people in glass house shouldn't throw stones
you and your girl look like you have been hit with the ugly stick aswell

quote:

Originally posted by MADNESS:
.... do try reading to post before looking like a dick......

.... get your facts straight before you peply next time....

...and as for your assumption re me having kids....

as for you woodjack people in glass house shouldn't throw stones
you and your girl look like you have been hit with the ugly stick aswell

Madness,
You need to follow your own advice and not assume. Nowhere did I say that was me in the photo. It is only for illustration purposes.
Nor did I condemn her looks. However I did note them, then kindly suggested a way to make the most of them. Every cloud has a silver lining.



Is your anger storm over?

Madness,

I stand corrected - I mis-read your post. My apologies.

I read in a newspaper here today that an unusual amount of dead stingrays have been floating up on shore in Australia these past days. And they're tails have been chopped off!

I guess some deranged Irwin fan is out seeking revenge...