woodjack thats not anger, it is just disbelief that you could stoop so low and make comments like you did about a childs looks

you may think you are funny i just see you as a sad little man

i had a look back at your posts on here since you joined and can't see a post anywhere that talks about anything you have shot apart from your mouth and crap about calibres

do you actually hunt or just talk crap ?

just saw the news item about the dead sting rays washing up on the east coast with there tails choped off

typical over reaction

What a shame to go on a killing spree for an animal/fish that was threatened by a human and it's reaction was in defence !

Madness,
Many AR folk dont post their field conquests .Its not a prerequisite.People do have other relevant related interests, despite you considering them crap.
But if you feel posting your body count,longest shot and biggest horn is necessary to justify your hunter image on AR thats fine,just accept the fact that many here have gotten over the ongoing compulsion to do so, although they may choose to share a little from time to time.
https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/...=764105025#764105025

Bottom line is,Its no ones job to please you here Madness.The idea is to post to please oneself.
So,I dont give a rats ass what you think of what I have posted or what you think should be posted. Your not running the AR show champ,and never will.
The theme of this post is SteveErwin&Co,lets keep it that way if we can.


If Erwin decides to publicly display his daughter like a Rolls Royce hood ornament on his fast moving publicity vehicle,I dont have problem with that,but be prepared to cop the view of people when they describe what they see.
Secondly,to begin heavily programming ones little daughter to be a crocodile hunter,is more his dream/ideal than what may be ideal for her.
In fact if I had the options he had money wise and what else,It would be the opposite,more patient and relaxed,less aggressive,offering more liberty, allowing the child to grow and make her own choices as she matures.To me it was all a case of,a bit too much,too early. It seemed like the actions of an obcessive man, when it didnt need to be the case as far as his daughters future was concerned.I dont see what the urgency was. It was all about him. A case of "I wanna be like my dad,and my kids are gunna be like their dad" syndrome. Dont know why he just didnt have them cloned.
I see farmers sons that should not be farmers,buts thats all their parents taught them to believe in.

Erwin had three women in his life Terri his wife,Bindi his daughter and Rays Barb',the one truely closest to his heart.

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Originally posted by ErikD:
I read in a newspaper here today that an unusual amount of dead stingrays have been floating up on shore in Australia these past days. And they're tails have been chopped off!

I guess some deranged Irwin fan is out seeking revenge...

Greenies seeking revenge on animals that would not surprise me...shows their hypocracy and that people dont really change,but just reveal themselves.

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Originally posted by rugeruser:

Comparisons with racing car drivers, et al are specious, and irrelevent.

Sorry RU. I didnt mean to deceive anyone. I guess I should have thought more carefully before I posted.

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Originally posted by concho:
What a shame to go on a killing spree for an animal/fish that was threatened by a human and it's reaction was in defence !

Calm down everyone. I read this in the Courier-Mail, so it must be right.
A bigwig in a fishing outfit said that in his 40 years of fishing, everyone chopped the tails off when they caught a ray, just to stop themselves getting stung.

I went across a sandbar in Morton Bay once, water about 2 or 3feet deep, and could see wall to wall rays. Only inches apart. Glad I didn't fall in.

I don't understand ??? a pal of mine went fishing at Delaware bay caught a ray and they brought it home and ate it ! so why kill them if not to eat them ?

Question for anyone who can help ! I just had a conversation about Steve Irwins death ! did he get hit while over the ray or was the ray over him ?

From what i have heard on the news he was over the ray.

People eat rays here too,its just the wings they eat.

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Originally posted by TOP_PREDATOR:
From what i have heard on the news he was over the ray.

People eat rays here too,its just the wings they eat.

Some of the less honest restaurants will use cookie cutters and sell them as scallops.

Here in USA they sell shark and rays for scallops , most of the people don;t know the differance !

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Originally posted by concho:
I don't understand ??? a pal of mine went fishing at Delaware bay caught a ray and they brought it home and ate it ! so why kill them if not to eat them ?

Beats me, but if they are caught by hook and yet unwanted it may be a tussel to get the hook out? And it's bad enough having big muddies wandering around your boat, with out a cranky ray flapping around.

And yes he was just over the top of the big ray, cameraman just in front, ray probably felt cornered, thought Stevie was a shark, and wack.
Apparently they flip their tail up suddenly and the rear pointing barbs are pushed home. (In total defence only)

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Originally posted by JAL:

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Originally posted by concho:
I don't understand ??? a pal of mine went fishing at Delaware bay caught a ray and they brought it home and ate it ! so why kill them if not to eat them ?

Beats me, but if they are caught by hook and yet unwanted it may be a tussel to get the hook out? And it's bad enough having big muddies wandering around your boat, with out a cranky ray flapping around.

And yes he was just over the top of the big ray, cameraman just in front, ray probably felt cornered, thought Stevie was a shark, and wack.
Apparently they flip their tail up suddenly and the rear pointing barbs are pushed home. (In total defence only)

Like someone else pointed out. He died doing what he loved, irritating those around him.

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Originally posted by JAL:

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Originally posted by concho:
I don't understand ??? a pal of mine went fishing at Delaware bay caught a ray and they brought it home and ate it ! so why kill them if not to eat them ?

Beats me, but if they are caught by hook and yet unwanted it may be a tussel to get the hook out? And it's bad enough having big muddies wandering around your boat, with out a cranky ray flapping around.

And yes he was just over the top of the big ray, cameraman just in front, ray probably felt cornered, thought Stevie was a shark, and wack.
Apparently they flip their tail up suddenly and the rear pointing barbs are pushed home. (In total defence only)

JAL, even a smallish ray is a bugger to get the hook out of... and the LAST thing you want in the boat is a ray - I'll take muddies in a boat over a ray any day!!

And you're right about rays flipping their tails up - they're sea floor dwellers.

See that 3500 tickets have been sold to his memorial service . Anyone care to take a stab at the combined I.Q. of the crowd ?
Got to say I've never heard of paying to go to a memorial service before and frankly can't think of anyone that I would pay to see sent off . These people stood overnight in the rain to get tickets ! Lucky it's all for a good cause eh ?

I dunno. I can think of a lot of people I'd pay to see dead. 3,500 tickets = combined IQ of 20 (three levels below an oyster).

Definitely an over-estimation.

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REALLY anyone who engages in a dangerous occupation doesn't think of it that way. Otherwise you would never have and married with children police officers, soldiers, firemen, roughnecks, high steel construction workers... you get the idea.
I spent over 20 years crawling some of the nastiest ghetto in the USA and then also spent over 5 years doing undercover narcotics. Married with 2 boys. Was it dangerous, yes. BUT not the way one would think. ANYONE who does that line of work never thinks they are the one who is going to get the bullet in the back of the head. I don't have a clue how many times I have been shot at just in police work but it would take up more than two hands to count it. (also on SWAT) It was just something you did and it was just part of the job.
After you have done it a while, you don't think of yourself as bulletproof but more as skilled enough to pull it off for another day.
One of the guys I worked with was a bullet magnet. EVERYBODY shot at him... including other cops. When I retired he had been hit 6 times on six different ocassions. One of those was a "friendly fire" incident where rounds going into the front of a house came out the back and nicked him. Never anything serious, just a nick here, a shattereed fragment there. BUT he had been shot at God only knows how many times. He just seemed to draw fire. Married, kids, it never dawned on him that he should leave the job. He left a few years after I did and none the worse for wear.

Did The CH take chances that looked overly foolish, you bet. But we will never know how those acts looked through his eyes and in his mind. that is the person who had to decide on how dangerous it was and he was the one who had to consider the risk.

NEVER fear the night. Fear what hunts IN the night.

Hi Lawcop,

I wasn't talking about having a dangerous occupation (I flew fighter jets for fifteen years, and was a paratrooper before that), but unecessarily adding to the danger by taking gratuitous or frivolous rsiks. Taking incoming fire is an occupational risk. Standing up then instead of taking cover is gratuitous.

LD

The memorial service tickets were free, you schmucks. Combined intelligence of 3 out of the 4 posters above this post, about 0.

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Originally posted by Sambar 9.3:
I dunno. I can think of a lot of people I'd pay to see dead. 3,500 tickets = combined IQ of 20 (three levels below an oyster).

Dave,

You are being KIND

I am glad to see such a divergance of views and opinions expressed in this thread. Means we are a very free thinking group of "individuals" with our own views created by our own experiences.

May the man RIP.

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Originally posted by Aussie Dave:
The memorial service tickets were free, you schmucks. Combined intelligence of 3 out of the 4 posters above this post, about 0.

Yeah, and at one stage they were handing out free pizza, and maybe more to come at the service. I'd go except John Williamson has threatned to sing.

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Originally posted by Aussie Dave:
The memorial service tickets were free, you schmucks. Combined intelligence of 3 out of the 4 posters above this post, about 0.

Welcome to the forum Dave . Not bad , 5 posts and you've identified 3 schmucks already .
Yes you're right , tickets were apparently free . Hope you didn't get wet waiting for yours .

Unlike some, I only open my gob when there is something worthwhile to say. Like JAL, I wouldn't be inclined to go today as John Williamson will be singing (he's the most Aussie bloke there is, just ask him.) and JWH may be there as well.

Personally I didn't care for Steve. I concur with Bwana Bob's comments earlier.

Australia Zoo is a nice place to spend the day with the kids, and Servicemen and their families get discounted admission, so it's not that expensive either.

Steve Urwin has been proclaimed to have been a great conservationalist.

I briefly tried to find out a couple of months ago what his qualifications were, but he didn't list anything on his website. Does anyone know?

Also what constructive conservation projects did he contribute to? And not the commercial profit making "Australia Zoo" BTW. Does the "Australia Zoo" have any successful record of breeding truly endangered species? Or is it merely a zoo for people to visit for entertainment? And BTW capturing crocodiles from the wild does not help "conservation" at all, as neither fresh water or salty crocs are even remotely endangered these days.

Erwin was a Diesel Fitter I think.

The ray's barb lays along the TOP of the tail.HTH

AFAIK, he didn't have any formal qualifications. I seem to recall that Irwin was proud of the fact (?) that he didn't have formal qualifications - having said that, I know an awful lot of highly qualified people who are as thick as a star picket in their field of expertise, and I also know many 'enthusiastic amateurs' who do more in and for their field than the academically inclined.

I do, however, feel that having a background of reasoned research and enquiry provides a much stronger foundation for pursuit of an endeavour...

At least David Attenborough had studied at Cambridge (see this link)

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/encyclopaedia/hutchinson/m0009514.html

and it showed in his more sensitive and less sensationalist (intrusive???) treatment of the animals he brought to the screen.

As to what Irwin actually did?

He sensationalised relatively harmless animals (potentially dangerous, yes, but safer than driving a car!!) and created audiences for media networks to sell to advertisers.

Only speculation, but seeing Irwin's habit of handling wild animals I wonder if he didn't try to catch hold of the sting rays tail for the camera and got swiped as a result. Probably we NEVER see the film footage.

Seeing some of the antics on the TV today, if not all of the wild animal incidents were not staged and setup (and alledgedly some or many definitely WERE) he was playing with fire and eventually got burned as a result. None of what I have seen makes him even remotely a "hero" in my opinion. "Hero" is a term used much too often these days and my definition is someone who selflessly puts himself in danger for the benefit or safety of OTHERS. Not someone trying to get 'exciting' film footage to make a buck from television shows.

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My God his "tribute" was a managed and thorough PR event. Not much real feeling at all except from a couple of people. Must have cost a bundle of dollars to pay all the celebrities and singers IMO.

whatever the personal views of all on the forum this little quote was rather amusing and shows how he certainly reached the kids...a very successful man. Cut`n`paste below from todays paper.


Though it did not make any of the television specials and retrospectives, one of my favourite tributes came on a radio phone-in show on the afternoon that Steve Irwin was killed.

A young mother chirpily recalled the day that her young infant managed to perform potty duties for the first time without any mishaps.

In celebration, she told her proud young son that he could call anyone in the world to share the good news.

"I want to call the Croc Hunter," came the cry.

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Originally posted by Woodjack:
A parent loves their child like no other could,but I am glad he left his family fame and fortune cause in all reality,when ones daughter has a face like a dropped pie,the money and fame and now high profile sympathy, will give them prospects and acceptance from society that the general person would not otherwise recieve. Finally after all the sensationalism, some pragmatism. Another option would be to market a biscuit modeled off her,they could be called Bindi Gorilla biscuits.

Way below the fucking belt woodjack IMO...and while we are on the subject a simple question for you...would you have said the above to Steve Irwin while actually being in the same room?

If you were fool enough i`m sure those croc wrasslin` arms tearing you apart would soon have you screaming for help!

Pick pieces out of the man as you like but leave his kids alone eh!

You missed the rest of that post Gryphon1, here it is to help you get it back into context.


"......Kids around the world would buy them in the millions, increasing the family fortune enormously.
After all it was Mr.S.Erwin himself who said money is a great thing,that he cannot get enough of it,and that he dont care where it comes from,he will take it all!
So, my suggestion only follows his standards,which when it suited him, were none at all. So I am confident he would not be offended, hence no reason for anyone else to be."[quote]


When someone "dont care" that to me means gorilla biscuits are in.
Its a bit like when the tv/sports stars shave their heads and learn to laugh at themselves for a charitable cause, but promote their career-profile-image for financial gain at the same time.
He made her a TV star, so theres no reason why she cannot play the same game and make the same gain.
Dick Smith put his face on his biscuit packet and made millions,the potential for her is much greater,dont know why you would begrudge her having such success.

You must read things differently to me, I say He would have seen the bigger picture and would have been proud of this, knowing that a little bit of harmless personal humiliation would be so beneficial toward a worthy(his)cause. Giving him all that extra money to buy up more of all that environment that he was trying to save.

I dont ever recall hearing him wanting to use any portion of his great and increasing wealth to help curb things like the rampant child prostitution in different parts of the world or anything like that, cause it was all reserved for his trees.
He did however give easily impressionable todlers the idea that harrassing Taipans and other creatures is easy and fun and that they can grow up to be like him someday! Well,he has proved without doubt the merits of his method.
Truelly A man of great vision and perspective ! Blinded by his own success.

Any sensible adult would now tell their youngster,Son,chin-up,dont be sad,its simple, Erwin is dead cause he was dumb,and despite what they tell you it was no pure accident.He was a man intent on contributing to his own demise. Now let his actions and obcessions be a lesson to ya my boy,that some people have more dollars than sense.

by the way, belts are for people and catridges that dont have strong shoulders.

Just wondering about this accident, how many people world wide are killed each year by Stingrays?

Only about 17 or so recored, ever.

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Posted 21 September 2006 08:31
You missed the rest of that post Gryphon1, here it is to help you get it back into context.

I missed nothing mate and i stand by what i said in my post,to put it really bluntly old chum you wouldnt be standing very long saying that shit to most fathers,ramble on all you want i dont give the proverbial flying fuck at all...i read your words and they werent too kind at all about the kid.And as far as saying the bloke is dead because he was dumb well i might say that he was unlucky that day.....dumb? No! You dont own or make the money he was making by being dumb,you dont count VIP`s as your friends by being dumb...you dont become the most recognised reptile handler in the world by being dumb..you dont have repeated interviews on some of the most watched tv programs in the world by being dumb.....and while i`m at it i think you must have missed this line in my post cobber,here it is again...
and while we are on the subject a simple question for you...would you have said the above to Steve Irwin while actually being in the same room?

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Originally posted by gryphon1:
...would you have said the above to Steve Irwin while actually being in the same room?

No, I probably would not tell him that straight out, but if we sat down for a good honest beer and he asked me, I would be compelled to give him an honest answer. Then I would pitch to him the marketing idea and its benefits to him and his empire, his eyes would light up with dollars signs,he would slap me on the back congratulating me on a bloody good idea, and being the good down to earth bloke they tell me he was, any initial anger would subside,all would be forgiven, cause being the smart man you say he was, he would be silly to pass up such a chance at all that extra money and increased VIP status that you measure a man by, right?

Smart men know that its good to be around to see their kids grow up, and in order to do that its first required that they do a little maturing themselves.
Tigerlily has lots of money and VIP status now,but here old man killed himself through sexual misadventure hanging from a hotelroom door,then her mother overdosed a few weeks later. But thats not dumb, cause they like Erwin,were just unlucky on the day also.... Bullshit.
All three Erwin,Huch,Yates died as a result of their ongoing deliberate obcession with certain things resulting in a true lack of perspective and consideration for the future of the responsibilities they had created.
Dumb fxs contribute to their own demise,its that simple.

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Originally posted by gryphon1:
..you dont have repeated interviews on some of the most watched tv programs in the world by being dumb.....

No by a excellent PR machine.

Gryph,

On what evidence do you rate Irwin as being the

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most recognised reptile handler in the world

?

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I agree with you, having a go at the man's kids' looks is really low.

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Woodjack:
... when ones daughter has a face like a dropped pie ...

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Another option would be to market a biscuit modeled off her,they could be called Bindi Gorilla biscuits.

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Gryph,

On what evidence do you rate Irwin as being the

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most recognised reptile handler in the world

AW come on John,you have to be kidding with that q`s dont you?

Just the fact that his shows on ANIMAL PLANET drew so many people from around the world to watch them backs that up and they are in the millions mate....Jeff Corwin tries mate but dosent come close Eric Worrel is a bygone...who elses is there?The Indian "taipan man" from up north?

I remember none other than watching STEVEN SPIELBERG saying on the box how he was going home to sit down with the kids and watch the croc hunter as they never missed a show!

That has to be one of the best endorsements ever by probably the greatest movie maker in our time mate.

I`m not saying he was the most wonderful person ever to be an ambassador for Oz either,but successful in what he did to command the attention of the millions that watched him he certainly was.Go on mate of course you sneaked a look in like many others here,far better than watching Marthur`s home cleaning remedies show eh!

Bottom line to all you knockers is that if you had a loose taipan in your lounge room and Erwin was there i bet you all would be a lot happier and would gladly stand back and let him TCB.I have never seen a better snake handler ever in my time i have to add...and every bastard is knocking the poor dead bloke yet none of the collective lot of us posting on here would pick up a tiger,taipan,mamba,brown etc etc like he would,case closed!

And woodjack you digress all you like,it dosent excuseyour comments about his child and going by her reported poise at her own dad`s funeral this kid will go a long way...wtf have you got mate? She owns a fucking crocodile farm

PR alone would not generate such recognition all over the world.His personality and presentation made many take notice of Australian wildlife the way never before.

Speaking ill of people with different attitudes to us speaks of our own character.People vote for different parties.You don't call all those voted against your party idiots or of low IQ.People have different takes on hunting. Responsible and dignified people, speak in decent language.
Diffeernce of opinion on Steve and his actions is understandable.Speaking ill of a child on her looks and hiding behind semantics.........

The name callers, I don't know if this is a case of jelousy for the name and fame he earned.
BTW, the greatest wealth he accumulated is not the money, but the wet eyes across the world that mourned his death. To say them all idiots is disgusting.

Best regards to all-

Locksley, who shed a tear at Steve's death.

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Originally posted by RobinOLocksley:
PR alone would not generate such recognition all over the world.His personality and presentation made many take notice of Australian wildlife the way never before.

Speaking ill of people with different attitudes to us speaks of our own character.People vote for different parties.You don't call all those voted against your party idiots or of low IQ.People have different takes on hunting. Responsible and dignified people, speak in decent language.
Diffeernce of opinion on Steve and his actions is understandable.Speaking ill of a child on her looks and hiding behind semantics.........

The name callers, I don't know if this is a case of jelousy for the name and fame he earned.
BTW, the greatest wealth he accumulated is not the money, but the wet eyes across the world that mourned his death. To say them all idiots is disgusting.

Best regards to all-

Locksley, who shed a tear at Steve's death.

EXACORY! WELL SAID!