At any rate give a serious look at hav-a-hart traps if you have a feral/free roaming cat problem. They can either be sent to Animal Control or dealt with in other more immediate, and I would say humane methods, should you be willing to do the task at hand.

Best, Matt.

I now deal with them on my own! Seems to me the .17HMR is custom made for such matters.

I know a lot of people don't like the idea of culling what they consider "pets". I have no problem with RESPONSIBLE people owning cats, it's when they're abandoned and left to overpopulate the countryside that they become a problem in my book. If I have to pay to license my dog, keep it on a leash, and keep it's shot's up to date, why doesn't a cat owner have to do the same?

------------------
Death Before Dishonor

Regards, Matt.

[This message has been edited by Matt in Virginia (edited 03-28-2002).]

I had one in the scope last fall and could not tell if it had a collar or not. I have yet to dispatch one that was wearing a collar. Those ones get sent home via a really large boot.

mike

------------------
NRA Life Member

United States of America, Love it or LEAVE IT!

But guess what? Where I'm sitting now, in the basement family room, my computer pushed up against a floor-to-ceiling window -- that's where the real torment begins.

It might be daytime -- it might be night -- but as I sit here (de)composing, I see a movement and there is a cat -- with its paws up on the windowsill-- staring at me not more than 3 feet away. To my right, five feet away, is my gun cabinet.

I must confess there is a certain temptation to keep my .22 mag auto pistol loaded and on the computer table, and to hell with the window glass.

Maybe the best solution is to set a leg trap just under the windowsill. Course, with my luck, I'd be the one to step in it.

Smarty cat!

Dave

[This message has been edited by rifleman (edited 03-03-2002).]

[This message has been edited by rifleman (edited 03-03-2002).]

Scooter,

That was dang funny!

Since the invention of CCI's "Stinger", I
have to rely on something not nearly as
spectacular, but just as deadly, and even
quicker.

------------------
Illegitimi non carborundum...

------------------
Death Before Dishonor

As much as I dislike stray cats, I would not torture one by drowning or Carbon monoxide suffocation (slow death and they will kick and squal).A 22 Long rifle through the chest cavity will end it quickly with minimal effort.

When a hunter enjoys causing pain and suffering to a dumb animal- sounds kind of warped .. I couldnt take pride in causing anything to suffer, except people who harm others, say terrorists and murderers, etc and make them suffer as a penalty to the crime, sorry I digress.

Dont take your anger out on the cats- it's the irresponsible and lazy owners who wont neuter them or control them that is to blame.

Have the heart and guts to shoot them with a bow or gun, or axe their head off or something that will solve the problem without causing it to suffer.

I supppose if you live where you can not shoot guns maybe the exhaust method is the only practical means.

I must confess, I admire cats and their ability to hunt. If they were the same size as my dog, he would be in trouble!

I have been out hunting the dogs that killed my livestock and observed neighbors 2 cats and they always sneak in closer than any dog could with me. I let these particular cats go cause they chase mice out of my barn and they dont mess with my livestock.

Dogs running loose and packing and killing livestock my problem. I will get them sooner or later. I am so pissed at them, I would probably torture them if I had the chance.. I retract my prior statement. Do whatever you need to take care of your property cause no one else will, and its nobody elses business.

Good topic!

quote:

---

Originally posted by bstogsdill:
My 2 cent editorial:

I would not torture one by drowning or Carbon monoxide suffocation (slow death and they will kick and squal

---

They will never know what hit them with CO. CO is odorless and tasteless. After the O2 level in the "bag" drops below about 16% they are unconscious. BTW, that should only take about 15 seconds, if that.

mike

------------------
NRA Life Member

United States of America, Love it or LEAVE IT!

quote:

---

Originally posted by Longbob:
"Well it is said God makes no mistakes. So I thought long and hard for a reason to create cats. I have come to the conclussion that God made cats to test power steering"

Scooter,

That was dang funny!

---

I think this is what is known as "witnessing"

I live in a suburban town of 60,000, and some years back, we had one of "those" ladies move in... you know the ones... about 400 pounds, had a mustach, some personal hygene problems, no friends, and 20 cats...

Within 2 years, the neighborhod was flooded in feral cats. We got no help from the animal officer, who told us to catch them ourselves, and when we did, he said we had to hire a private (town approved!!) contractor to dispose of them (@ $187.50 each)... that worked out to about $15 to $20,000 for those folks in a 5 block square area

My neighbors (who had noted the long black cases I took to the car), asked me to intervien. We struck a deal, that they had to dispose of the corpses. I took to a .177 high powered air gun, and within about 10 months, there were no feral cats anymore, and the fat lady keeps what's left under her control.

But, we no longer have any songbirds in the area

CatShooter

quote:

---

Originally posted by mssmagnum:
They will never know what hit them with CO. CO is odorless and tasteless. After the O2 level in the "bag" drops below about 16% they are unconscious. BTW, that should only take about 15 seconds, if that.

mikemssmagnum;

I beg to differ pardner, no exhaust from an internal combustion engine is oderless or tasteless. Maybe pure CO is, but other by-products are obviously present.

Or, maybe I am just a big "wussy" cause I certainly can not inhale exhaust fumes without choking and caughing. I cant work on the car without opening the garage door while it runs. I literally choke on those fumes.

My Grandpappy smoked one out using a bag and auto exhaust and if I recollect correctly, his experience was that he observed the cat had a loud fit while being poisoned and it was a concern that neighbors would hear it.

Oh Yeah: I am proud to say Pappy's 80 plus years of experience probably put him at the world record for cat kills.

I still believe a shot to the chest cavity or a 22 stinger to the base of the skull is fastest and most effective, when you can do it that way. My experience is based upon only 18-20 cats. Maybe modern exhaust is not so bad as old car exhaust?

I bet anyone who would gas a cat would shoot a toad out of a popgun- that's it! You cat- gassers started as toad-shooters! I can see it all starting with pulling wings off of flies! You must stop before it is too late.

We better get self help thread going- The first step is to admit you have a problem. I will email the moderator to start a new forum...

Thanks for my additonal 2cents commentary.
Have a cat free day.
Brad

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by Bruce Gordon:
What MSSMAGNUM said!
The cats do the squalling when they initialy get caught in the trap, that is how I usually tell if one has been caught. When you put the plastic bag over the outside of the trap, they quiet right down. Presumably because it gets nice and dark. That is normally the last noise I hear out of them. When I take a look inside to verify that the cat is actually dead, they are normally curled up in a corner looking peacefully asleep.
In my mind, it is the most humane method of putting an animal asleep except for taking it to the vet and letting them charge you.

---

CO IS what the vet or animal control uses for dispatching these unwanted pests...

mike

quote:

---

Originally posted by bstogsdill:
I beg to differ pardner, no exhaust from an internal combustion engine is oderless or tasteless. Maybe pure CO is, but other by-products are obviously present.

---

Yes, that would be pure CO. CO actually displaces the oxygen in your brain which renders you (or the damn cat) unconscious. Then, of course, the lack of O2 causes brain death.

mike

Wayne

I dont care if the cat is wearing a "BayWatch" collar, and the reward is a titty rub from all the lifeguard girls.

Well, maybe for that I'd give the cat a pass. But for any other one the cat is history. Shotguns are most effecient , but a 22-250 really makes them "blow'd up good".

You can watch selfish idiots dumping unwanted cats and dogs in the rural areas any time of the year.
("Go and be free, boy!" or "Find a good home with the nice farmer.")

The Hava-Hart sounds like a good "remote" solution with the advantage of selectivity, if you want it. Otherwise, a Connibear 110 is really good.

If you feel bad about doing in the excess cats and dogs, just find out the facts about what they do to your local wildlife.
I'de sure rather have grouse and quail and songbirds around than cats squalling under my window.
Just keep in mind that you could face a heavy fine and maybe jail time for your stewardship.

Dave .32-20

Best, Matt.

[This message has been edited by Matt in Virginia (edited 03-28-2002).]

quote:

---

Originally posted by Buster:
If you use a live trap, don't count on the Animal Control Officer to deliver the animal to the pound. I was trapping cats that were causing havok in my wife's flower beds, only to have them return and be caught a second time after the officer had supposedly delivered them. Turns out, they would drive around the corner and turn em loose. I called and complained but it fell on deaf ears.

I now deal with them on my own! Seems to me the .17HMR is custom made for such matters.

I know a lot of people don't like the idea of culling what they consider "pets". I have no problem with RESPONSIBLE people owning cats, it's when they're abandoned and left to overpopulate the countryside that they become a problem in my book. If I have to pay to license my dog, keep it on a leash, and keep it's shot's up to date, why doesn't a cat owner have to do the same?

---

The LEGAL reason is because cats are able to survive on their own. Dogs cannot do this. That why the license on a dog -- besides the typically larger size and neighborhood impact of dogs.

Most states have laws regarding shooting or otherwise harassing people's pets -- Cats are considered "pets" or "domestic animals" even if they're homeless. You could find yourself in deep legal complication by "managing" them in your neighborhood.

We have a cat in our neighborhood who just all of a sudden showed up on the back porch. Stayed there for a few days. Is seen around the neighborhood. Turns out the neighbors went on a three day week-end excursion and left the cat outdoors with access to their garage. The cat prefered to be around people and so took up a post on the porch next to the glass patio door where he was able to see inside the house.

You can rail all you like about "stray" or "feral" cats. Yes, there are cats out there without homes, but they're not "stray" or "feral" . . . They're ABANDON.

Humane Society, Animal Control will pick up a cat and release it a short distance away in hopes that it will return to its home after being "captured" and "transported." Often the annoyance of being put in a cage and moved around in a truck with other animals is a sufficiently negative experience to send the cat back to its home.

So here's my position on your "thinning out" the population of local cats. I tend to shoot people who abuse animals. Your behavior is barbaric, probably illegal, and pig headed. I'm serious. I'll shoot you. That's my position. (And the law will back me up on it.)

------------------
.223 Ackley Improved Wildcat Forum:
http://www.hotboards.com/plus/plus.mirage?who=223ackleyimproved

[This message has been edited by Genghis (edited 03-26-2002).]

------------------
If Elmer didn't say it, it probably ain't true.

------------------
Death Before Dishonor

Regards, Matt.

People who take delight in shooting domestic pets, who post about the best way to "gas a cat" are SICK, anti-social, sadistic, pathological, stupid, red-neck Cretins.

They think shooting cats is somehow "sport" or "public service." Well . . . I feel the same way about these sick jerks. Let's thin out the shallow end of the gene pool.

Don't not talk to ME about "getting help." Because the help I'll get is people who share my sentiments and are armed too.

"Death threats" my ass . . . If you feel threatened, maybe you need to think about your behavior. Sounds to me like your evil kharma working itself out.

------------------
.223 Ackley Improved Wildcat Forum:
http://www.hotboards.com/plus/plus.mirage?who=223ackleyimproved

[This message has been edited by Genghis (edited 03-26-2002).]

[This message has been edited by Buster (edited 03-26-2002).]