Model 70 from New Haven plant in 416 Rem would be just about right IMO.

I think that the 416 Ruger stands the best chance of everything working right , the first time for an out of the box rifle ..
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.The history of the Rigby means little or nothing IMO . Tho the Rem is my favorite . and is the eadiest to make brass for ,if you have any 375 h+ h rounds laying around . I didn,t have to fix anything on my 375 Rugers and they shot and worked well .I dont see why the 416 would b any different .

if you are going to do a 416 rem, get cases NOW
http://www.huntingtons.com/cases_jamison.html

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I think that the 416 Ruger stands the best chance of everything working right , the first time for an out of the box rifle ..

An amazing statement! With ZERO complaints or problems reported with the new Carolina M70s. And numerous posts with feeding and extractions issues with early 375Rugers! I was not going to piss off folks and beat this dead horse, but what can i say when I read the Ruger is more reliable then the Winchester out of the box. I ve had nothing but best experience with both Win and Ruger and sadly cannot say same about CZ. But to claim the Rugers better than Winchester. I dont think so.

If you reload the Rigby is a lot of fun.

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Originally posted by Homebrew:
If you reload the Rigby is a lot of fun.

Yep, the Rigby can be loaded from wild to mild. After all it was the first 416....

I have owned the Rigby, Remington and the Ruger 416's and they all work well and easily reach the original 400gr @ 2300fps velocities. If I had to pick just one it would be the Ruger because
#1 - it's the most affordable

#2 - the design is made to fit a standard length action

#3 - Factory brass and rugged, reliable rifles are readily available

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Originally posted by fourbore:

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I think that the 416 Ruger stands the best chance of everything working right , the first time for an out of the box rifle ..

An amazing statement! With ZERO complaints or problems reported with the new Carolina M70s. And numerous posts with feeding and extractions issues with early 375Rugers! I was not going to piss off folks and beat this dead horse, but what can i say when I read the Ruger is more reliable then the Winchester out of ythe box. I ve had nothing but best experience with both Win and Ruger and sadly cannot say same about CZ. But to claim the Rugers better than Winchester. I dont think so.

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I,ve had ans shot over 30 Ruger M77 mk2 ss rifles . from 243 to 375 Ruger . to date I have had 1 rifle that had a problem . An Ultra Light in 30/06 that I bought for my wife had max head space and wouldn,t fire several brands of ammo . I have seen quite a few model 70 s that had problems of one type or another .
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I will absolutly stand by my statement that you stand the best chance of everything working right , first time and everytime out of the box with a Ruger M77 mk II . .

With regards the 416 Rem Mag, Hornady is now making the brass!


http://www.hornady.com/store/4...gnum-Unprimed-Cases/

I agree with Gumboot. Also any wood stocked 416 from any of the major manufacturers will probably need bedding work for best performance. Or even to prevent splitting.

I just built a second 416Rem off a NH M70 to improve upon and replace my older 416. My older "Shoemaker light rifle" M70 416 weighed around 8 1/2 pounds with mounts less scope. My newer version is better balanced, better fit, and weighs approx 7 3/4 pounds with mounts less scope. The scope weighs 6 1/2 ounces and the ammo weighs 6 ounces which brings my new rifle to just over 8 1/2 pounds ready to roll. The difference between my old and new rifle is around 3/4 pounds and that difference is night and day. I like my old rifle, but my newer version is markedly improved and unmistakably better in my hands. It carries like a well balanced sporter 30-06.

In lieu of barrel flutes, I used a 375 contour barrel with a 416 bore, cut it to 22-inches and used a deep protected crown. This gave me built-in weight savings over a 375H&H chambering similar to how the 416Ruger is lighter than the 375Ruger. In addition, some excess metal was removed from the receiver along with the 1-pc steel Williams bottom metal was replaced with a CNC machined 7075-T6 duplicate. Along with a light weight stock, the entire package was brought down to approximately 7 3/4 pounds with NECG barrel sights and QD mounts less scope. I had enough room with the modifications to fine tune for best overall balance.

By far, a Ruger rifle in the Ruger 375 or 416 chambering is a better route for an out the box rifle if one is looking to be practical. But if one is willing to take the extra steps, the M70 in a traditional chambering can be made equally as light without too much fuss. One could actually take the 375 Classic Stainless and turn the barrel down to minimal specs, remove some excess metal, go to 7075-T6 bottom metal, and use a lightweight stock to end up with a very lightweight mountain rifle. But again, it would probably be far more practical to go other routes to reach those results if that were a goal. For that matter, not too many can truly use a mountain rifle chambered for a big bore cartridge.

As I had posted previously, I'm blinded by my love of the 416Rem. But as much as I love the 416Rem, the 416Ruger in a Ruger rifle is far more practical for a first time 416 big bore rifle. It is easy to be blinded by a love for something more traditional, but from a pure engineering standpoint, the Ruger offerings are head and shoulders above the rest.

Best

Another vote for the .416 Rem, great round.

I couldn't resist. I wanted to wait for my new scope to arrive, but I decided to test out the new rifle with the fixed NECG sights. Used my sighting board to regulate, placed one fouling sighter at 15yards over the chrono, and then posted at 100yards for a 3-shot group. I've got a winner! I'd been pleased to shoot a group this good with the scope, but with fixed sights, I don't see how I could ask for more.

I do so love the 416Rem out of a NH M70.

Later

Hornady 416 rem mag brass comes out in Aug -Sept which bites.Remington needs to get off its butt and make some.Hornady is backloged on most of its brass.Their brass is alot thicker than other brass I have used.I had problems with 444 hornady brass it was shorter and thicker than the remington.I bought some hornady 375 jdj brass and it really sucked they made a mess of it.The rim has a lip you have to remove and its a pain to get them to fit your chamber.Hornady is supose to also make 416 rem mag ammo for $64 a box that will boost the 416 Rem mag.Now some one needs to make a $800 416 in the rem mag.Maybe winchester should use a stock like Rugers.I love my Winchester model 70 416 rem mag but its not the rifle to take to Alaska .My little Remington 416 rm Big game rifle is awesome.They were $600 and had a HS stock .Its a tough gun and accurate.I did have to replace both of the ones I owned mag spring and the whole trigger guard assemble by Rem did it free and i put it on.My Kevelar 416 Rem 700 is awesome but not putting a floorplate on a DGR is a big no no to me.I had a stainless BLD one put on mine and the first muzzle brake put on any of my 416 .I had a SAKO 416 but I was warned that the scope rings on them would not hold so I sold it.The guy had it fixed by the factory to something else.I have had 6 416s RM and try to but all the good buy ones under $1000 I see.The Ruger 416 is a good buy.It a tough machine that will take a licking and keep on ticking .I just hope they keep making it.If all the 416 fans on here ordered 100 of them this year i am sure they would.There needs to be more of them in the alaska stores for sure.

Spend the $1000 for the Win Model 70 in 416 Rem, and spend the rest of your money and mental energy on great safaris! Best of Luck.

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Now some one needs to make a $800 416 rem

Really? You would choose one gun over another for a life time of hunting and shooting based on a $200 differential?

Would this be why we have so many new guns with problems. We really want to squeeze that last ounce of quality, fit, finish and final inspection out of a product to satisfy this price point? I though it was industry greed, now I hear its customer driven. I would prefer too add $200 worth of quality and features to Hawkeye or CZ and avoid a lot of lemons and headaches.

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Hornady is supose to also make 416 rem mag ammo for $64 a box that will boost the 416 Rem mag

I can and do agree with this. Not only is it a boost, but its right and fair thing to do. Hornady is getting it done and done right. They could do better on the 416 Rigby, but this is good on the 416Rem.

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IMHO, you will have no particular advantage by going with the larger and heavier CZ in 416Rigby, unless this is your personal preference. It either fits your taste or it does not. Ranting and raving that anyone, who would recommend a 416Ruger or 416Rem in a well handling cost effective package, does not give a crap about anyone but their personal agenda, is a bit overboard IMHO.

If you handload and you don't mind carrying a 10 3/4 pound rifle, the 416 Rigby is the rifle of choice. If it is a CZ, then with the 16.5" twist you want to choose the 350 grain TSX. You can load it to 2800 fps. That's flat and it becomes a one-rifle safari, big enough for reedbuck and anything else. If you want lead bullets, then you can go with 400 grainers and load them to 2600 fps.

If you only want 2400 with a 400 grain bullet, or if you want an inexpensive, nice handling rifle, then get the 416 Ruger Alaskan and take it to Africa. That short barrel will still produce 2350fps and you can handload 2400. If you like monometal, then you can use 350 TTSX and load to 2600 fps in the short-barrel Ruger.

The ammunication question is always a problem for any handloader because most African countries, but not all, won't let you handload and don't have the components. I've never had trouble with ammo to Africa. And what if your ammo came and no rifle? In general, you need to do what you can to ensure that your own equipment arrives. And then go hunting.

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Originally posted by fourbore:

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Now some one needs to make a $800 416 rem

Really? You would choose one gun over another for a life time of hunting and shooting based on a $200 differential?

Would this be why we have so many new guns with problems. We really want to squeeze that last ounce of quality, fit, finish and final inspection out of a product to satisfy this price point? I though it was industry greed, now I hear its customer driven.

If anything, experience has taught me that if the price is there, people do not care. American gun safes are filled by people who would rather have 10 inexpensive guns than one or two really good ones.

(By inexpensive I mean guns in the $500-$1000 range. And I realize many here will take exception to my definition…)

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Originally posted by fourbore:
I would prefer too add $200 worth of quality and features to Hawkeye or CZ and avoid a lot of lemons and headaches.

I would prefer that they even add more to the price - 1k+, and deliver a proper firearm the first time.

But kimber is dead set on proving that American companies even have problems with that with their .375 offering.

I would prefer to pay the little extra to get a sound firearm. I'm not that old at 29, but even 10 years ago you could find cheaper firearms that were quality built (The functioned without a hiccup, the were fairly accurate, and the workmanship was way better than today(for the most part) Even at $1000 today you can't be guarantied a quality all around package. I am not wealthy by any means, but I would rather save for a few firearms that I know will have an over all quality than 4 that all have some type of problem.
Maybe my standards have progressed in years, but I just don't see the quality I use to and I highly suspect unsatisfied workers. If you keep your quality workers happy, they do quality work. That's in any business.

To add to the actual subject. I own a 416 rigby now and I love it, but the CZ still has some issues that I payed AHR to take care of. I'm excitedly waiting. Now that the new Winchester m70 in 416 rem can be found, I would SERIOUSLY look at them. From what I've heard they have good all around quality and the 416 rem seems to function just fine. lots of people wonder about pressure problems, but It's not like the 458 win mag was back in the day and I've personally experienced problems with the ruger cartridges. I went through 3 before giving up.
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416 rigby offers a CZ which may have some feeding problems for $1100, or a ruger for more that I've hear nothing but good. or you can now get a quality Winchester in 416 rem for the same price as a cz. I would probably go with the winchester 416 rem if i had the choice at this moment.

USMC-1812,

I've had the same questions you have about the 416's. I'm waiting on my Win 70 416 Rem to be delivered to my local sports store. I have ordered #5 shell holder, Nolser 400gr solids and partitions, and Warne bases. Need to order the QD 30mm low rings for my recent purchase of a Swar Z6i 1-6 scope. Will keep you up to date on my findings w/the new rifle!

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
but, for a first bigbore, i maintain that the 458 lott on a CZ is the BEST choice for the first big bore..

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or even an only/last big-bore... ok maybe not

Just noticed that Hornady is now offering brass for the 416 Rem Mag. $66.?? per 50. Wholesale cost is around $45. Good news for the Rem Mag owners!!

You want to trade off rifle cost with trophy fees so, that tends to favor a cheaper factory rifle. However, you want the RIGHT rifle the first time and one that will take you to places you don't imagine today IMHO.

You WANT to shoulder several factory rifles before you spend any money. Don't obsess about the caliber either. Almost any mainstream choice will work fine. I started with a 416 Rigby for nostalgia and a 458 Lott for practicality. As the Elephant option slipped away financially, I reassessed what I would hunt and got a CZ 9.3x62. I like the handy nature of this rifle so much I decided to go with a 458 B&M built on a 300WSM Winchester.

Figure out what you really want. With patience you can really cut your rifle purchase cost. In my case, I got a CZ 9.3x62 for $600 that was already worked over and ready for Africa. The big CZ's are really nice rifles that AHR can tune up without spending too much money. With a #2 AHR package, I will be at about $2K in a really nice CZ rifle. The SSK Industries build 458 B&M will be right at $2K too and a much handier package with a compact 18 inch barrel. Since I'm probably 2 to 3 years out from a Safari, I'm going to shoot the rifles I HAVE as much as I can and sell off the ones I don't need for Trophy fees. Until then, I will dabble with my Chapuis 9.3x74 DR, CZ 9.3x62-416 Rigby-458 Lott, and the yet to be built 458 B&M.