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I wondered is the round something to choose or isit just a factory gimmick tha twill burn a little bit before it disapppears and the .375 H&H and Weatherby rounds are used instead of it because of more cartridges, more bullestweights, cheap brass, and dies. and a better cartridges than the ruger round. Is the .375 Ruger an soloution to a problem that dont exist? | ||
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The 375 field seems very cluttered to me already. But....to each his own. | |||
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I think it will have a following. But that's just me. I like the alaskan and have been entertaining the idea. Definite cool factor! There may be alot rifles rechambered for the new 375 too. I don't think it'll do anything the old H&H won't do. One thing is for sure we will find out eventually.  Straight shootin to ya | |||
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In the US market the 375Ruger will probably be cheaper to feed w/ ammo. Brass is not currently available but it should be no more expensive than the belted brass when it is put out. In addition, the loaded ammo is actually cheaper than the H&H and the once fired brass should handle more reloads than its belted big brother. Here are some current costs in USD: 375Ruger: - loaded ammo goes for $42.98 per box of 20. - die set goes for $28.99. 375H&H: - loaded ammo from the same manufacturer as above goes for $43.86 per box of 20. - die set goes for $28.99. 375Weatherby: - loaded ammo goes for $82.99 per box of 20. - die set goes for $133.99. - brass goes for $45.49 per 20 pieces. I can buy a box of 20 loaded rounds in 375Ruger cheaper than I can buy 20 pieces of 375Weatherby brass. No matter how you look at it, I'll probably be able to reload the 375Ruger cheaper than I could the H&H over the duration. Prior to the 375Ruger, I was a big fan of the 375/338WM wildcat as a great all around cartridge for easy fit in a standard long action. all the components are there and it is an easy cartridge to load. Now that the 375Ruger is on the map, I see no reason to go the 375/338WM route. I feel that the 375Ruger has plenty potential beyond its current 375caliber. I'm sure that this thing will go both up and down in wildcats and possibly additional factory offerings. Brass and components will probably be available for some time even if it has a small market. In the end, it may not be the most practical worldly choice in a 375bore rifle. But, anything other than a 375H&H would not be the most practical choice, including the Weatherby, for a worldly 375bore rifle anyway. Here in the US, this thing will be a very sound and practical cartridge for anyone wanting an easy low cost conversion of a long action or an inexpensive left hand rifle. GVA | |||
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Whew a whole 88 cents cheaper for a 40 something dollar box of ammo. "Science only goes so far then God takes over." | |||
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The Ruger 375 will exist and even flurish because it is built on a reasonably priced crf rifle and in left hand to boot. It feels a nice niche and with glass bedding and maybe a trigger job it could be the best crf 375 out there for the money. Anyone know of another source for a crf 375 right or left hand rifle with H&H ballistics for the same price? There may be a slew of 375 calibers around but for now the only ammo you see in a store is for the H&H so the other 375's are lost. If Ruger and Hornady make the ammo readily avaliable sales of this rifle will sky rocket. Ruger has a very loyal owner base and for the money there rifles are unbeatable. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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Mr Rigby, Do we need magnum length cartridges when standard length cartridges can do just as well? No more wondering either whether opening your standard length M98 action to take the 375H&H length case has weakened it. I think it has its place. Cheers... Con | |||
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No, I wasn't referring to the cost difference in loaded ammunition. I was referring to the cost of brass and brass life. If I can get nearly double the brass life from each and every piece, that adds up over time if you handload and shoot. If you have a safequeen w/ the same box of ammo on the shelf for five years, then you are correct that it is less than a dollar. GVA | |||
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it should be here to stay as it will fit into standard length actions. This should equate to being able to buy a rifle chambered for it for much less than a H&H. Bailey Bradshaw www.bradshawgunandrifle.com I'm in the gun buildin bidness, and cousin....bidness is a boomin | |||
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It's dead' But,it will sell some rifles and that's the real objective. Nothing wrong with that it's a great marketing strategy! "shoot quick but take your time" | |||
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There are a few theoretical advantages of the 375 Ruger over the old H&H (and a few for the H&H) and if they had gotten off to an even start the Ruger probably would have won. But it didn't. If Ruger and Hornady were smart they would severly undercut the market with the rifles and make sure every gun shop on the dark continent and Alaska got ample supplies of ammo at reduced prices. After a year or two both the rifle and the cartridge would stand on their own - for the same reasons the 300 Win supplanted the 300 H&H. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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what Phil said. Just price a 375 length action VS a standard length magnum action and call me if you want to trade long ones for standard straight up. Rich DRSS | |||
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I think the 375 Ruger will cut sales from the 338 Winchester. | |||
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The 'African' is nice looking and affordable while the 'Alaskan' seems like a good cost effective tool. | |||
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Total sales in .375 are not large in any measure. If one adds all the 375 sales together her still has a very small number. To be very successdful the .375 Ruger must be seen as a big game round and not just an African cartridge.......it must carve it's home by stealing from the territory of the .338 and the .358 and the H&H. and it seems to me that it's poised to do just that. I don't think it'll do much for sales of Ruger rifles but Hornady has hit a home run this time because a helluva lotta Mausers and other standard actions will become home to the round. It's just flat out a better round than the old H&H! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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vapodog We share views.  In addition because the 375 Ruger does have the "375 H&H thing" it will even make its way into to converted Vanguads/Howas and the like. Actually, it would be a feasible chambering for Wby to do because it still sits below the 375 Wby and 378 Wby. Similar idea to Wby doing the 270 WSM and 300 WSM. Heaven help us, it would even be seen as OK being in a Rem 700. M70s in 7mm Rem, 300 and 338 Win will be cnadidates for sure. | |||
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No we don't need it, but I see it as having more positives than negatives. The HUGE plus is the rifle package that it can be chambered in. While matching the H&H ballistics. I had a CZ 550 Safari Magnum in 375 H&H and I got rid of it because the whole package was too heavy for the general hunting. If I was ever to buy another H&H it would be in a better handling lighter rifle. The 375 Ruger makes that easier to do. So... if I ever acquire another 375, it will probably be the 375 Ruger, but probably not in a Ruger rifle.
I don't think so. It has a niche that it will fill.
I agree with Phil 100% The 375 Ruger makes sense to me. If you want nostalgia go with the H&H. | |||
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Over here its unlikely that the .375 ruger will be imported to and if it does the price will be steep. Take tke TC Icon rifle, a price in USA is ca 900 dollars, over here ca 2700 dollars.... So i have applyed for a .375 today, ill make it the .375 H&H or a Weatherby round in .375 or 378. There is one standard mechanisnm lenght cartridge in .375 already the .375 Dakota So i seen no need for the 375 Ruger, a great hype to keep the people patriotic, but the best .375 came in 1912 and it hasnt been bettered . the second one is the Weatherby rounds, and on the split third the Dakota, and the 375-404 Miller & Greiss. | |||
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It has always been a limiting factor when a manufacturer decides to make a specific cartridge a proprietary cartridge. That effectively prevent other manufacturers to chamber for it thus limiting choice of rifle. It also has the effect to localize the cartridge and thus other countries are loath to import it. I suppose it gets worse when only one ammo manufacturer is allowed to produce factory ammo. I hope this is not the case with the 375 Ruger, unless Ruger is so confident that none of the above is seen as a negative. Warrior | |||
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Didn't a new short .375 rifle cartridge come out a few years ago? Steyr I believe. Seems like it wasn't that successful either. | |||
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I definitely think there is a place in the cartridge landscape for the 375 Ruger. It serves its purpose incredibly well - provide 375H&H performance in a standard length action. I've always been (and still am) a fan of all the Dakota cartridges - and the Ruger is very similar to the 375 Dakota. One of the most compelling arguments I can make for the Ruger is the ability to fit in regular long actions. I'm left handed, and spare H&H actions are becoming more and more sparse. Standard actions are a dime a dozen, so now I can build a 375 caliber rifle cheaper and easier. Also, someone already commented on the reduced size and weight of so-chambered rifles. I wouldn't mind hunting deer with the Hawkeye African. It was one of the nicest handling factory rifles I've ever felt. My dad's M70 Safari Express 375 H&H is a little chunkier, not to a fault, just for the sake of comparison. All in all, *when* they introduce the African in LH, I might be very, very tempted...  _____________________________________________________ No safe queens! | |||
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"need" ended at the .318 8x57 mauser.. want? oh YEAH opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Marketing has to keep coming up with new ideas but I agree the Ruger 375 is not needed. We have a lot to choose from already but it may sell for a year or 2. | |||
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Quote from SuperSpeed - "I think the 375 Ruger will cut sales from the 338 Winchester." Quote fm Hunter Fromerly known as Texas Hunter.... Interesting thought and probably right. I own a .338 Rem UltraMag but it is in a class well beyond the .375s mentioned as well as the .338 Winnie. No threat to the Ultra in my view ..[][][][].............My 338 RUM would do 2800 fps with a 275 gr KBC. It would go faster but that was really pushing it ...And that from a 26" barrel with 93 gr of H1000...The 375 Ruger will come very close to that , but with much less powder.....The thing that suprised me with my RUM is it wouldn,t push a 225 gr XLC much more than 2900 fps....I,ll bet the 375 Ruger will push a 235 X that fast......And from a 3" shorter barrel.....Makeing it a VERY doable 500 yard ruminate rifle ....But the 338 RUM is still a great round and I like it alot.....I feel the 250 gr Swift factory load is the best there is in the RUM ....,.,., I feel the need is quite real.... There are young shooters and hunters every day getting their first rifle ... They may as well have the best that can be thot up instead of something from 1911.....Glocks and Rugers    .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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True but the Steyr is not the equal of the old H&H round....the Ruger round is! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I think the real question is, how many folks in the market for a 375 caliber rifle would prefer the original over the come lately. Many I talk to say they want the nostalgia of the H&H round over the new offering. I am of that way of thinking myself. These are not target or varmint rounds. I doubt the average 375 H&H will see 200 rounds in its useful life. The cost of aquisition and maintaining is going to be similar. Just my two cents worth. I might have one rifle I would convert to this Ruger round just to play with. I have done that several times in my life and the new boy rarely winds the race. Who knows where it my lead!!!!! As far as replacing the 338 Win mag, that won't happen as the 375 Ruger won't be chambered in other than Ruger rifles and Rugers don't sell well im many markets. square shooter | |||
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I like the .375 Ruger because it comes with the Hawkeye rifle, which I find to be a better rifle. At least the African model that I have is mo bettah'. Can't say yet about the Alaskan version. The other strength is its source is a major US manufacturer, and both rifle and ammunition are production items. Ruger has the marketing mojo to make this project go in the marketplace. jim if you're too busy to hunt,you're too busy. | |||
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Since the loss of the M70 I think there is a worthwhile market for an inexpensive and lightweight 375. Nothing else comes close in both price and handling. | |||
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But wil lthe Rugerround have little pressure like the H&H rounds or will it have high pressure in the African heat? and on that way make it useless with high temperature tha the cartridge wont handle. This cartridge effency aint simple, just because an cartrdige is effectivce in a short package comes with a price.... | |||
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mr rigby, The pressure should run about the same as the H&H. That was a design goal. Jeff Quinn has already developed excellent load data for this cartridge. Even the light end loads using H4350 was faster than the H&H. Pressure should be a non issue. GVA | |||
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 One more time....the SAAMI spec for the .375 Ruger is 62000 PSI. The SAAMI spec for the .375 H & H Magnum is 62000 PSI.......------------------------------------------------ "Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder." | |||
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Nostalgia means a lot to many. I shot a mod 70 375 H&H that a guy had at the range a couple weeks ago. I don't know how long he has had it but it has not been in the woods and he did not want to sell it and the price on the box of ammo was $16.85 so he has had it for a while and sure does not shoot much. | |||
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Becase the 375 Ruger lacks the nostalgia that in itslef will make it an easier rifle to put together. Presently the common big bore (meaning over 30, not the forum description  ) is the 338 Winchester and I think the 375 Ruger will lift the common big bore size.If is people only shoot rocks or deer with their 375 H&H there is still an inner desire to have the rifle ready for all events. I would be prepared to be that almost no 300 Wby Vanguards have been rebarreled to 375 H&H but I think you will see that with 375 Ruger and no sights. 85 grains of Varget in the 378 gets me 375 H&H numbers with 270 grain bullets and very low pressure. I guess to own a 375 Ruger I will need to use 88 grains of Varget. Go to love those 378s Mike | |||
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Also, the pressure/velocity issue is related to case capacity, and from what I understand the Ruger has as much or more case capacity. Its just in a shorter, less tapered shape. I've got an H&H already, so I might not jump out there and buy a .375 Ruger. However, a guy that doesn't have a .375 yet may opt for the newer round, and I seriously doubt that other manufacturers will wait very long once ammo becomes widely available. Also, to say that Rugers aren't very popular everywhere is to be mistaken as they are currently one of the better, if not the best, long gun manufacturer in the United States if you consider sales volume and quality. BTW, my Rugers consist of 4 revolvers and a 10/22; my rifles are Remington, Winchester, and Mauser. If you are going to carry a big stick, you've got to whack someone with it at least every once in while. | |||
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I love my 375 Hawkeye African so far...I have a 77 SS 338 Win with a paddle stock and a nice factory laminated stock for sale now...The 375 just replaced MY 338. | |||
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I guess it's just a matter of preference - length or girth. | ||
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The 378 removes the need for such choices to me made | |||
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Former... Girth is GOOD.  375 Ruger = Deer, on up... 338 Win = Moose, on down | |||
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Do we need the 375 Ruger? I guess that depends on who you ask. Many of us here on AR probably don’t need any more guns. I certainly don’t, I own at least seven rifles chambered in cartridges that are considered suitable for pachyderms yet I’ve never been to Africa. I don’t think need is the issue… Will the 375 Ruger survive? That’s a whole different ball of wax! I’d have to agree with Phil, it all depends on how Ruger markets it. Did any of us need an 8mm WSM, I don’t think so. The gun industry is hurting right now and new cartridges sell guns. I’ll probably end up with one just to have a new toy…. Matt V. ______________________ Sometimes there is no spring... Just the wind that smells fresh before the storm... | |||
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